Hi Point Frozen to -110F--Will it Fire...?


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PT92
October 7, 2012, 11:02 PM
I found this video quite interesting in that they freeze a Hi Point handgun down to -100 Degrees F (ammo as well) to dtermine if it will fire, malfunction, implode etc. Not scientific by any means but interesting nonetheless:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlZ4R-bXpgI&feature=em-uploademail-new

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Thompsoncustom
October 8, 2012, 06:45 AM
lol looks like the hi point worked fine but the ammo did suffer.

dab102999
October 8, 2012, 07:18 AM
At -100 last thing i am gunna be thinkin about is if the gun will fire. No matter what brand it is.

Walt Sherrill
October 8, 2012, 12:16 PM
At -100F, I suspect that even polar bears aren't moving around.

The Lone Haranguer
October 8, 2012, 01:34 PM
Even steels start to weaken around -40. I wonder how many shots a zinc alloy slide would last. But let's get real. The coldest temperature a Hi-Point is likely to be subjected to is the inside of an undie drawer.

Walt Sherrill
October 8, 2012, 01:52 PM
I doubt that the SLIDE (which is mostly a solid piece of metal) is likely to fail first -- as there are many other parts that move and bear weight (as in the trigger mechanism) -- not to mention plastic parts, like the grip.

g_one
October 8, 2012, 02:07 PM
I realize that hi-points are ugly, and they're not nearly at the same level of quality as a Glock, CZ, etc. but why do people hate on them so much? Sure, a Geo Probe isn't a Corvette, but it gets you where you're going for a fraction of the price and there are plenty of them out there with 200,000 miles on them.

PT92
October 8, 2012, 02:13 PM
I realize that hi-points are ugly, and they're not nearly at the same level of quality as a Glock, CZ, etc. but why do people hate on them so much? Sure, a Geo Probe isn't a Corvette, but it gets you where you're going for a fraction of the price and there are plenty of them out there with 200,000 miles on them.
g_one, Like everything else it was at one time "in-vogue or fashionable" (look how cool I am :D is how it came across). However, once critics tried to utterly destroy the Hi Point to no avail, they conceded that for the price-entry point there was no longer anything to be criticized. Essentially now if one mocks them they look (forgive me) stupid in that for $150 how can you argue "with what you get" in return...? Note the carbines were always favorably reviewed to my knowledge.

45_auto
October 8, 2012, 02:24 PM
Never heard of a Geo Probe (GM made Geo's, Ford made Probes). Maybe that's why they make fun of them.

481
October 8, 2012, 02:37 PM
I was surprised that the ammo worked as well as it did. I thought that they'd see more problems than they did.

I was happy to see that the zinc alloy construction of the HiPoint wasn't embrittled enough by the -110F temp to shatter- I kind of thought that it might at least crack. S'pose not.

Love the guy in the welders mask- Now that's protection!

Thanks for the link, PT92. :)

Fish Miner
October 8, 2012, 02:58 PM
the alcohol was not actually at -110F. the ammo was in proximity to -110F dry ice. but without a actual temp reading of the liquid, you are not anywhere near -110F.

627PCFan
October 8, 2012, 03:03 PM
That guy made me nervous shooting it sideways, espcially with the big gloves on.

Walt Sherrill
October 8, 2012, 03:53 PM
GEO Probe...

I suspect that was one of those kind of mistakes I make on these forums.

I think he meant GEO PRIZM. My son reverted to that model, when one was given to him, with high mileage. It's actually a pretty good car. (A joint GM/Toyota effort.)

PT92
October 8, 2012, 04:00 PM
GEO Probe...

I suspect that was one of those kind of mistakes I make on these forums.

I think he meant GEO PRIZM. My son reverted to that model, when one was given to him, with high mileage. It's actually a pretty good car. (A joint GM/Toyota effort.)
Yeah, Ford (still Autonomous) made the Probe.

GLOOB
October 8, 2012, 04:01 PM
the alcohol was not actually at -110F. the ammo was in proximity to -110F dry ice. but without a actual temp reading of the liquid, you are not anywhere near -110F.
I'd say they got pretty close. They wouldn't quite hit -110F, because they weren't using an insulated container around the metal pot. But it would have gotten very close, since the alcohol is a much better conductor of heat than the bench top and air. It would have worked better if they put the whole pot inside a styrofoam cooler with a lid. I'm not sure how an actual temp reading would have made it any colder. :)

Try it at home. Put some regular ice in a pot of water. Keep adding ice til it stops melting. Then wait 20 minutes and take a temp reading. It'll be pretty much 32F. Put it on the stove on low for awhile, adding plenty of ice. Take another reading. It will still be pretty close to 32F. The more water and surface area of ice vs the size/temp of your burner, the closer it will be to 32F.

g_one
October 8, 2012, 05:15 PM
I think he meant GEO PRIZM.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. Thanks

481
October 8, 2012, 05:30 PM
the alcohol was not actually at -110F. the ammo was in proximity to -110F dry ice. but without a actual temp reading of the liquid, you are not anywhere near -110F.

Yeah, great. My post was hardly meant to be a technical treatise on the video so I think I'll be OK. :rolleyes:

Pete D.
October 9, 2012, 10:01 AM
Firearm functionality at -110 degrees F.
This is important to know because......why?
Pete

PT92
October 9, 2012, 10:04 AM
Firearm functionality at -110 degrees F.
This is important to know because......why?
Pete
Oh brother...:cuss:!

MachIVshooter
October 9, 2012, 10:41 AM
(GM made Geo's, Ford made Probes)

Actually, Suzuki (Metro & Tracker), Isuzu (Storm) and Toyota (Prizm) made Geos.

GM has been in bed with Isuzu for a long time, just like Ford/Mazda and Chrysler/Mitsubishi (DSM, or Diamond-Star Motors). But they stray occasionally - Ford has used Daihatsu, Chrysler has used Maserati, etc.

Not that this has anything to do with frozen Hi-Points, but it is more useful information.

PT92
October 9, 2012, 11:59 AM
Actually, Suzuki (Metro & Tracker), Isuzu (Storm) and Toyota (Prizm) made Geos.

GM has been in bed with Isuzu for a long time, just like Ford/Mazda and Chrysler/Mitsubishi (DSM, or Diamond-Star Motors). But they stray occasionally - Ford has used Daihatsu, Chrysler has used Maserati, etc.

Not that this has anything to do with frozen Hi-Points, but it is more useful information.

Oh yeah--I came here craving the auto-industry info--Thanks!!!:rolleyes:

CoRoMo
October 9, 2012, 12:12 PM
......why?
YouTube will pay channels like theirs a set amount per thousand views to bring viewers to that website. It can be big money for doing nothing but uploading videos; videos of anything, everything, it doesn't matter. They have about twenty five million views of their videos and 73,000 subscribers. All they have to do is keep uploading videos and the YouTube checks keep coming. That's why.

Midwest
October 9, 2012, 12:14 PM
Toyota and Chevrolet are coming out with a new car, it will be called the 'Toylet'.

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Anyway that was interesting information about the Hi Point. I believe they are reliable and are good shooters. I wish they would make them less bulky and less ugly.

floydster
October 9, 2012, 02:09 PM
Yugo is coming out with a new four door model---going to call it the " Wego":)

Couldn't help it:(

Smokeyloads

PT92
October 9, 2012, 02:39 PM
YouTube will pay channels like theirs a set amount per thousand views to bring viewers to that website. It can be big money for doing nothing but uploading videos; videos of anything, everything, it doesn't matter. They have about twenty five million views of their videos and 73,000 subscribers. All they have to do is keep uploading videos and the YouTube checks keep coming. That's why.
Actually I could give a damn. I just found the video interesting absent any of the apparently obligatory (unsolicited at that...) analysis. I swear these boards become more like a women's coffee shop with each passing day....

Mr Gunsmith
October 9, 2012, 03:21 PM
I still own a Hi Point .45 JHP that has been nothing but solid & dependable for me. I've had nary a FTF, FTE, or stovepipe using anything from steel cased to hand loads. In fact, the very reason I spent so long not commenting on this board (almost a yr of reading in the background) was due to the outright gun snobbery that is prevalent here & elsewhere on the net.:banghead:

Sadly there are a number of people that seem to have the opinion the 2nd Amendment was meant for wealthier citizens since if it isn't a Sig Sauer or Colt 1911 then it's just a Saturday Night Special.:scrutiny: And let's not forget the all plastic Glock fanatics. But from my perspective, any gun that is acceptable to the shooter is just fine no matter the name on the barrel.

I still like & use my Hi Point along with a Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm & I just recently added a Taurus 24/7 OSS Tactical 9mm to the mix. I like them all & would (& do) trust my life to them. The gun snobs would say I'm not a real shooter. Oh well. They have their opinion. So be it.

Oh & the video proves yet again that the Hi Point is damn near unbreakable. Funny how the Glocks don't hold up to the same scrutiny. But again I digress.

ClickClickD'oh
October 9, 2012, 03:42 PM
Essentially now if one mocks them they look (forgive me) stupid in that for $150 how can you argue "with what you get" in return...?

When I finally see someone complete a serious multiday pistol course with one, I'll stop bagging on them.

Until then, yeah it's a fun toy to whip out at the range once in a while and put fifty or so rounds down range, but no, it's not a serious firearm like an M&P, Glock, Sig or CZ.

Walt Sherrill
October 9, 2012, 03:56 PM
When I finally see someone complete a serious multiday pistol course with one, I'll stop bagging on them.

Until then, yeah it's a fun toy to whip out at the range once in a while and put fifty or so rounds down range, but no, it's not a serious firearm like an M&P, Glock, Sig or CZ.

If someone can afford to take a multi-day gun course, they'd know that they'd be laughed off the course the minute they went to the line with a Hi-Point, even though most of those laughing have never had hands-on experience with the gun. Given that, it's unlikely that anyone would try it -- and because of that, I doubt you'll ever see such a thing happening.

Besides, if someone could afford to take a multi-day gun course, they probably could afford to buy a gun that was more costly than a Hi-Point. If you only have a Hi-Point, the likelihood of taking such a course is about zero.

Of the hundreds of different discussions I've read here and on similar forums over the years, when Hi-Point owners talk about their experiences, they're generally favorable. The slams and insults generally come from folks who never owned or even shot them.

(It's a bit like the folks who find Glocks disgusting without even trying them.)

Some of the Hi-Point owners have other, most costly guns -- and they certainly prefer the other, more costly guns -- but they still give the Hi-Points their due -- and often keep them in their trucks, tackle boxes, or somewhere handy when out and about.

And, as others have noted, the carbines are universally praised.

PT92
October 9, 2012, 03:57 PM
When I finally see someone complete a serious multiday pistol course with one, I'll stop bagging on them.

Until then, yeah it's a fun toy to whip out at the range once in a while and put fifty or so rounds down range, but no, it's not a serious firearm like an M&P, Glock, Sig or CZ.
Click,

Your comment is sophomoric in nature--how many people who purchase a $150 gun are looking to complete your "serious multiday pistol course." Jeez, get a clue guy (the old apple and oranges thingy...?)...:rolleyes:

CoRoMo
October 9, 2012, 05:10 PM
Actually I could give a damn.
Good on you because I could not.

Don't mistake my previous post to be directed at you. Another member asked a question that went unanswered.

Pete D.
October 9, 2012, 07:20 PM
Oh brother...:cuss:!
Well...that's an answer.

Pete

MachIVshooter
October 9, 2012, 08:09 PM
Stick to your day job as your "attempt" at stand-up sucks...

Oh brother... !:cuss:

Oh yeah--I came here craving the auto-industry info--Thanks!!!:rolleyes:

Actually I could give a damn. I just found the video interesting absent any of the apparently obligatory (unsolicited at that...) analysis. I swear these boards become more like a women's coffee shop with each passing day....

Click,

Your comment is sophomoric in nature

Clearly someone has peed in your Wheaties two days in a row.

Jaymo
October 9, 2012, 08:22 PM
I know the two guys in the video. They work at Moss Pawn Shop in Jonesboro GA (right where Jonesboro, Morrow, and Forest Park all bump into each other).
The owner's daughter is a longtime personal friend of mine (meaning, we grew up together). I've bought a lot of reloading and BP gear from them.
Barry's a hoot to talk to, BTW. They're all good folks. I got my CZ RVM85 from them this year.


You should watch their other Hi Point torture tests. They have done things to those guns that make me shudder, in attempts to destroy them. They hammered a long 3/8" inch bolt into the barrel (of a 9mm Hi Point) and fired it (remotely) to see if it would blow up. It didn't.

In fact, you should watch all their videos. Much more entertaining than 90% of the d-baggery you normally see on Goobtube.

I need to talk to Barry and see if I can get in on some of their videos.

hogshead
October 9, 2012, 08:42 PM
I guess Hi Point has fan boys too. I personally dont have a lot of experience with their pistols but have had a few carbines that worked quite well.Needless to say the ergonomics were horrible but they did go bang.

PT92
October 9, 2012, 09:01 PM
Gentlemen,

I posted the link because I thought that as guys most of us would be interested in the mechanics of how machinery/engineering etc. work under extreme conditions. To be utterly candid, I would have posted the link to the vid had the test subject been a Smith, Ruger, SIG, Colt, Phoenix Arms or even a Jennings 'blue-light' special (in fact I have an appreciation of firearms torture testing in general). I own three HP's, namely, the .45acp hand/long gun and the C9--in addition I own lots more firearms so I bought my HP's for a specific purpose.

But the vitriol my OP has created is entirely uncalled for as the post is geared ENITIRELY towards the "physics" of the matter and not intended to be vendor-specific. So I guess the responses (what's the point, I can't run competition with the POS, makes for a great paper-weight etc.) did tee me off and I am not going to deny--I am certain that some people (usually trolls but not always) bait for such and somehow get-off on it...I guess life's short so if it floats your boat...

-Cheers

gojuice101
October 9, 2012, 09:17 PM
I know the two guys in the video. They work at Moss Pawn Shop in Jonesboro GA (right where Jonesboro, Morrow, and Forest Park all bump into each other).
The owner's daughter is a longtime personal friend of mine (meaning, we grew up together). I've bought a lot of reloading and BP gear from them.
Barry's a hoot to talk to, BTW. They're all good folks. I got my CZ RVM85 from them this year.


You should watch their other Hi Point torture tests. They have done things to those guns that make me shudder, in attempts to destroy them. They hammered a long 3/8" inch bolt into the barrel (of a 9mm Hi Point) and fired it (remotely) to see if it would blow up. It didn't.

In fact, you should watch all their videos. Much more entertaining than 90% of the d-baggery you normally see on Goobtube.

I need to talk to Barry and see if I can get in on some of their videos.

I usually watch their Youtube channel weekly. They have a lot of good videos, and I really like their Gun Gripes series. I've also watched their torture tests on the Hi-Point pistols. I'm not a fan of the pistols (yes, I have actually shot them), but there is no denying they are a solid built gun. Barry and Eric definitely had a tough time getting one to break.

Jaymo
October 9, 2012, 10:05 PM
gojuice101-I needz sum clipz fo' mah choppa.

ClickClickD'oh
October 9, 2012, 11:58 PM
Click,

Your comment is sophomoric in nature--how many people who purchase a $150 gun are looking to complete your "serious multiday pistol course." Jeez, get a clue guy (the old apple and oranges thingy...?)...

Please, if you want to try to take the discussion high brow, at least make sure you take care of the logic fallacies before posting. Your improper assumption here is that only people who could only afford a Hi-point would purchase one, ergo no one who purchases a Hi-point would be able to afford to go to a multiday course... The Hi-Point by default being a poor mans gun...

Which clearly explains why I have a half dozen Rough Rider revolvers... you know, because I could only afford $169 dollar revolvers.. bought six at a time...

Probably also explains the half dozen C9s too... oh wait..

Hang on...

Crap. Guess your argument just fell all apart didn't it. Most instructors I know have one or more hidden away somewhere. Most of those guys have completed [my] "serious multiday pistol course." Multiple times... Seriously, what's with the quotes you put around "serious multiday pistol course"? Some sort of disbelief in the existence of said courses?

I use C9s during parts of my classes for new shooters because they are rugged, simple and I won't care too much when a student breaks one.

That said, they are still horribly unergonomic, brickish, tend to slice users fingers up, have a trigger pull roughly similar to trying to build Legos with gloves on and in general are all around horrible pieces of garbage.

The reason you won't see a Hi-Point complete a multiday course isn't because it would be laughed off the range. Oh sure, it will be laughed at, but if the user puts it away that just means he's insecure about his skills. I've seen plenty of odd pieces in class... some of them even finished, and many of them shut up people who made fun of them. My current favorite is a Kel Tec PF9 that was ringing gongs at 100 yards like a champ... The reason you won't see a Hi-point go through class is because by the time you get 300 rounds down range, much less 1,000, you'll throw the thing over the berm yourself.

Yes, a Hi-point does provide a firearm solution to people that can't afford better, but let's not pretend that makes a Yugo into a Mustang. It's still a cheap barely tolerable mess of a brick that should be traded up on the first chance a person gets.

chris in va
October 10, 2012, 12:01 AM
I've had two experiences with HiPoint...carbine and handgun. Neither were positive. At least the carbine was fun when it worked.

PT92
October 10, 2012, 12:13 AM
Please, if you want to try to take the discussion high brow, at least make sure you take care of the logic fallacies before posting. Your improper assumption here is that only people who could only afford a Hi-point would purchase one, ergo no one who purchases a Hi-point would be able to afford to go to a multiday course... The Hi-Point by default being a poor mans gun...

Which clearly explains why I have a half dozen Rough Rider revolvers... you know, because I could only afford $169 dollar revolvers.. bought six at a time...

Probably also explains the half dozen C9s too... oh wait..

Hang on...

Crap. Guess your argument just fell all apart didn't it. Most instructors I know have one or more hidden away somewhere. Most of those guys have completed [my] "serious multiday pistol course." Multiple times... Seriously, what's with the quotes you put around "serious multiday pistol course"? Some sort of disbelief in the existence of said courses?

I use C9s during parts of my classes for new shooters because they are rugged, simple and I won't care too much when a student breaks one.

That said, they are still horribly unergonomic, brickish, tend to slice users fingers up, have a trigger pull roughly similar to trying to build Legos with gloves on and in general are all around horrible pieces of garbage.

The reason you won't see a Hi-Point complete a multiday course isn't because it would be laughed off the range. Oh sure, it will be laughed at, but if the user puts it away that just means he's insecure about his skills. I've seen plenty of odd pieces in class... some of them even finished, and many of them shut up people who made fun of them. My current favorite is a Kel Tec PF9 that was ringing gongs at 100 yards like a champ... The reason you won't see a Hi-point go through class is because by the time you get 300 rounds down range, much less 1,000, you'll throw the thing over the berm yourself.

Yes, a Hi-point does provide a firearm solution to people that can't afford better, but let's not pretend that makes a Yugo into a Mustang. It's still a cheap barely tolerable mess of a brick that should be traded up on the first chance a person gets.
Click,

You do know that this post was not about the "integrity of the HP," or even the lack thereof, correct? Why no response to the core subject matter in the vid as to how a gun responds to extreme conditions? I don't get it? Instead we get, yet again, a diatribe on the gun (which can be found in K's of other threads and not a part of the post of which you have voluminously, albeit with multiple contradictions responded to)?

I say we just call it a day and move on so as not to waste others time (if you were nearby we'd have a beer and discuss until the sun comes up...).

TimboKhan
October 10, 2012, 12:21 AM
This thread has been contentious virtually from the beginning. Closed for what should be obvious reasons.

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