Can not carry at work


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TennJed
October 8, 2012, 01:53 AM
I was wondering how many people here work for companies that do not allow weapons on the property. I realize some may carry anyway, but for poll purposes, I am interested in what the policy is

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TennJed
October 8, 2012, 02:02 AM
I don't fool with polls. But I formerly worked for a corporation which forbade concealed carry. I talked to management about their policy. They were absolutely so ignorant and stupid ..................... I switched companies.

Does that help?
Sure, a couple of questions though.

1) Did this come to your attention before being hired? If it was enough to not work for them, why did you start in the first place.

2) If you do not mind me asking, what do ou not "fool" with polls?

chris in va
October 8, 2012, 02:02 AM
I'm self employed. Considering the places I work, carrying something small would be a good idea but I leave my 9mm in the truck.

rduchateau2954
October 8, 2012, 02:16 AM
No carry conceal beyond the guardhouse. Can have a firearm in your vehicle though.

mljdeckard
October 8, 2012, 02:20 AM
I work for a company where the employers never trust their employees to carry loaded guns to defend themselves.

(The U.S. Army.)

Saakee
October 8, 2012, 02:20 AM
freelance photographer/writer, sometimes i go places where i can carry, sometimes i go places where it's a felony to. And some guards at some of those places think my cameras are even worse than guns.

Warp
October 8, 2012, 02:47 AM
At my last job it was illegal to carry there, so I didn't. It was also against policy. It was, however, legal and okay with policy to have in your car. I left it in my car.

At my job before that it was legal but almost surely against policy (I didn't check). I carried.

I voted nowhere on property as I spent a lot more time at the location that fits that description among my recent jobs.

Certaindeaf
October 8, 2012, 02:50 AM
I work for a company where the employers never trust their employees to carry loaded guns to defend themselves.

(The U.S. Army.)
I was going to bring that up. Even in a "war zone". ug

Kurt_D
October 8, 2012, 02:57 AM
Company policy says nowhere on the property with a few exceptions due to state laws. We're one of those states thankfully.

R.W.Dale
October 8, 2012, 02:59 AM
Not exactly forbidden but not feasable due to the nature of my work




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Certaindeaf
October 8, 2012, 03:04 AM
^Pole dancer?

KansasSasquatch
October 8, 2012, 03:09 AM
In my line of work no single one of the poll options can apply to me. I've worked on an Army base in "secure" buildings, I've worked in public and private schools, on college campuses, power plants, restaurants, casinos, housings complexes, prisons, day care facilities, and in the "shop". Some places I would be able to legally carry and some not. Most contractors I've worked for do not allow carrying but it's usually due to their insurance policies and yet some contractors don't care either way. I'm a union sheet metal worker in case anyone wonders why I've worked in so many different types of places. I generally work on HVAC systems or do architectural sheet metal. Other times we weld heavy industrial equipment. I'm not sure I'd want to carry while welding. I don't know if being accidentally shocked while welding will set off a round but I don't want to find out the hard way.

R.W.Dale
October 8, 2012, 03:28 AM
^Pole dancer?

Welder thank you. More clothes and more acrobatic with much more molten hot action




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Certaindeaf
October 8, 2012, 03:44 AM
^
lolzerz. I hear you but I might submit that where there's a will there's a way. I used to carry a gat (along with of course an Estwing) in my Occidental Leather tool pouch in the bad places. I didn't necessarily just waddle around on the ground neither.

R.W.Dale
October 8, 2012, 04:04 AM
^
lolzerz. I hear you but I might submit that where there's a will there's a way. I used to carry a gat (along with of course an Estwing) in my Occidental Leather tool pouch in the bad places. I didn't necessarily just waddle around on the ground neither.

Friday night while arc gouging I had a white hot nugget splash back into my lap, burn through my pants just to the left of my giblets as a threw my Hood off jumped up and proceeded to shake it on down my pants leg while simultaneously kicking my boot off praying it would pass between my boot and pants cuff instead if going inside. All of wich left a nice trail down my leg

No thank you. There are in fact jobs where neither you should be carrying and a gun could in fact be rendered inoperable just by being there. All of wich is before you consider having to crawl, roll around, climb, lay and work in all kinds of awkward confined positions with the risk of electrical shock and being set on fire to the mix.


I have a 12" slag hammer and lots of bulletproof cover handy while at work....ill be OK if things get ugly


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Certaindeaf
October 8, 2012, 04:06 AM
I'm sure we both have a few stories. I hear you

colorado_handgunner
October 8, 2012, 06:53 AM
Of all places I worked (manufacturing front office) none allowed carry or guns on the property. None of them actually checked vehicles though.

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longknife12
October 8, 2012, 07:28 AM
I have always,in writing, been authorized to carry at work. Additional security and nighttime responder to alarms.By the grace of God, it has never been drawn.
Dan
;)

MedWheeler
October 8, 2012, 07:44 AM
I work in EMS. My employer is a healthcare system that does indeed forbid the carry of weapons in any of its facilities. My state does have a "parking lot storage" pre-emption, so I carry to and from work.
Even if I were permitted to carry while actually on the job, I would not, as the possibilities are too frequent that we would end up in a prohibited location while in the course of our duties. Places such as mental-health hospitals and jails are at or near the top of that list, and many of them have screening policies in place.

gfanikf
October 8, 2012, 07:47 AM
Ha! I work in New York City!

armarsh
October 8, 2012, 08:57 AM
...I have a 12" slag hammer and lots of bulletproof cover handy while at work....ill be OK if things get ugly

Sig line worthy, BTW.

The company I work for changed their policy to "no gun" after I had been working there for a couple years. There was no reason to do so - I'm sure some insurance agent convinced them it was risk avoidance.

MtnCreek
October 8, 2012, 10:42 AM
I have a 300yd range behind the office where I can take out my lunchtime frustrations, but it's off limits till deer season is over. Stupid company policies...

Reloadron
October 8, 2012, 12:23 PM
Not going to happen here. I work in the bowels (skunk works) of a DoD and DoE facility in a secured and classified area. Weapons of any type are left in the truck. Parking lot is fine, beyond checkpoints, not going to happen. I am fine with that rule as it bothers me not.

Ron

Ehtereon11B
October 8, 2012, 12:26 PM
Required to carry for LEO work.

Forbidden to carry for US Army stateside work. Carry anyway.

morcey2
October 8, 2012, 12:30 PM
Utah has a law in place saying that employers who ban firearms can not ban the guns being stored in cars in the parking lot. Of course that doesn't apply to federal agencies, post office, etc.

The company I work for has a policy that weapons are forbidden where state law allows it. I'm not sure what that means in Utah and I'm not going to ask.

Matt

Certaindeaf
October 8, 2012, 12:32 PM
Not going to happen here. I work in the bowels (skunk works) of a DoD and DoE facility in a secured and classified area. Weapons of any type are left in the truck. Parking lot is fine, beyond checkpoints, not going to happen. I am fine with that rule as it bothers me not.

Ron
Well trained gunmen and everyone with a Q clearance probably doesn't hurt either.

AlexanderA
October 8, 2012, 12:42 PM
The poll didn't ask the question of whether concealed carry was allowed by the state/local jurisdiction, in the first place. I'm retired now, but when I worked, it was in the District of Columbia, for a government agency. Carrying at work, of course, was out of the question unless I had a job title of Special Agent (which I didn't).

jhop73
October 8, 2012, 12:55 PM
I don't know, I never asked and it is not mentioned in the employee handbook. :)

M2 Carbine
October 8, 2012, 01:45 PM
For 29 years I flew helicopters over the Gulf of Mexico.

Most of the jobs were 7 days on and 7 days off. So many pilots and mechanics lived hundreds of miles away from work. Almost all of us (legal or not) carried guns traveling to and from work.
While at work we kept the guns in the company apartments.
Nothing was ever said. The company had no policy and no one cared.


Then the lawyers got into it.

At the Friday morning briefing the Area Manager gave us a letter to sign. "No drugs, alcohol, guns, etc, on any company property or in company vehicles."

I told the boss,
"I'm not signing this and I will have a gun .........."

He interrupted me and said,
"We have already been through this with the other hitch. They also refused to sign because of the gun part. I have my gun in the company apartment right now.
When told this the company President said, "Scratch out "guns" and sign the paper".

So we did.


The lesson here is, if everyone stands up for what is right sometimes we can win.

Stress_Test
October 8, 2012, 01:49 PM
I work on a military base (Army) so of course, no guns allowed!

Reminds me of Dr. Strangelove: "You can't fight in here! This is the WAR ROOM!!"

:p

bergmen
October 8, 2012, 01:57 PM
Generally, nine out of ten days I work at home. On the one day I visit the facility I respect the "no firearms allowed on company property" rule.

Dan

mljdeckard
October 8, 2012, 02:07 PM
And Matt, in post #27, that's exactly what I would do. It's usually their way of saying; "Do what you have to, but keep it to yourself, we don't want to know."

gfanikf
October 8, 2012, 03:30 PM
I work for a company where the employers never trust their employees to carry loaded guns to defend themselves.

(The U.S. Army.)
You wouldn't have that issue if you were a Marine....because you could just toss your KBAR into a BG like that were David Lopan...or just use brute strength.

My dad was a Marine. ;) He doesn't actually espouse any of the stereotypes that I imply...well besides the 1911 is god, it's coming back, here's an article (even though that's for a specialized subsection), 8 rounds 45ACP is enough, and the Beretta M9 is a nice gun...but it's still junk to the 1911 (of course he never even tried one till I had one last year as he left the service in the 1970s). I love him. :)

Ryanxia
October 8, 2012, 04:53 PM
I'm glad my state passed a law that forbids companies from prohibiting the possession of firearms in their personal vehicles while on company property.

Owen Sparks
October 8, 2012, 06:57 PM
I don't think an employer can search your car just because it is parked on his property unless you signed something or agreed to allow random searches as a condition of employment. For example, I employ a man who mows my yard once a week. I can not go out and search his truck just because he is parked it in my driveway. I can't stick my hand in his pocket either. Something like this probably would require a pryor agreement.

captain awesome
October 8, 2012, 07:10 PM
my answer is all of the above. Being in the service industry I am at new places everyday. some places allow some dont.

Reloadron
October 8, 2012, 07:27 PM
Well trained gunmen and everyone with a Q clearance probably doesn't hurt either.
Bingo and Guns just top the list of things that do not get dragged into the facilities. :)

I am perfectly OK with all of it and I am only a few years from my retirement.

Ron

wrs840
October 8, 2012, 07:46 PM
It's a legal CYA thing for corporations trying to minimize liability exposure.

NC is flirting with legislation which would outlaw prohibitions against guns in vehicles in the parking-lot. I know a lot of employers that would absolutely welcome that because the law would take the responsibility for the decision out of their hands and therefore help shield them from civil lawsuits that always come if someone gets shot on corporation property.

JSpear
October 8, 2012, 09:17 PM
Not allow on the property but state law trumps that so it's in the car, I work at an office supply store

Gtimothy
October 8, 2012, 09:47 PM
The company I work for won't even allow a pocket knife! This is directly from the company handbook:

"Prohibited Items: Under NO circumstances will any of the following items be allowed at a client site, including a vehicle parked at a client site:
- Firearms of any kind
- Night sticks/batons
- Knives
- OC / Pepper spray or Mace
- Handcuffs

Again, these items listed above are STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Failure to adhere to these points is grounds for immediate termination."

At least I have a job!

76shuvlinoff
October 8, 2012, 10:35 PM
Well my handbook says it's not allowed so I asked HR what they were doing to protect me. There was no response.

There's a difference between not allowed and "can't". Everyone has choices to make.



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tarosean
October 8, 2012, 10:52 PM
Cannot...


Course I should point out that I am not employed in the US and must abide by the countries laws I'm in (various) Which usually results in not even a pocket knife...

skiking
October 9, 2012, 12:07 AM
Not allowed to carry on company property or in company vehicle. Don't risk it, I love my job. Haven't been to the office in 7 months and haven't talked to the boss in 2 months. don't want to screw that up.

ApplePie
October 9, 2012, 01:04 AM
>>Well my handbook says it's not allowed so I asked HR what they were doing to protect me. There was no response.<<

That is a GREAT question to ask every employer and their lawyers. Unfortunately, many lawyers feel there is more legal risk in allowing firearms in a workplace than not. That is the reason for many of these policies. It is because of the advice from the company lawyers.

RhinoDefense
October 9, 2012, 01:34 AM
Self employed. I require all employees to be armed at all times while on company business.

DAP90
October 9, 2012, 10:29 AM
After a series of incidents with an employee that ended with the employee leaving very unhappy the owner was afraid that revenge was a distinct possibility. The lawyers recommended a no guns policy be enacted. Makes perfect sense right? Disarm everyone in case the ex-employee comes back to take revenge.

Anyway, the lawyers sent over some recommended anti-gun additions to the employee manual and a workplace violence slideshow that also contained some anti-gun BS. Fortunately I was asked to review, edit and approve both documents. My company continues to have no specific firearms policy.

My boss still isn’t completely comfortable with carry at work but after a few conversations he’s come around quite a bit and is looking at purchasing two shotguns; one to keep at work and an identical one to keep at home. He owns no guns currently.

As an aside one fascinating statement within the workplace violence slideshow was

• Employees should understand concept of “Universal Precautions for Violence”. i.e. that violence should be expected but can be avoided or mitigated through preparation

Kind of an odd statement for a slideshow that originally defined workplace violence as…

• “Fascination with guns or other weapons, bringing weapons into the workplace”

84jeepjohn
October 9, 2012, 11:02 AM
LOL about the military. Nope we are NOT allowed to carry onto base, but sure give us loaded weapons overseas no problem.

statelineblues
October 9, 2012, 12:31 PM
Where I work it's against STATE LAW for me to carry a firearm. Fortunately, there's always a couple of armed state troopers on the property...

mljdeckard
October 9, 2012, 12:37 PM
Nope. even when I was deployed to a forward base, I was required to carry cleared. 2010-11.

mljdeckard
October 9, 2012, 12:38 PM
It is only recently, after MANY green on blue shootings, that they are considering allowing SOME soldiers in CERTAIN bases to carry their weapons loaded.

Skribs
October 9, 2012, 12:42 PM
Federal property...

TNRiverRat
October 9, 2012, 03:36 PM
I work on airport property so no handgun or even a knife is allowed to be carried on the property. We have a very large facilities MX group that use knives for all sorts of things so they changed the rules to say that you can't carry a knife on your person but you can carry one in your tool bag. That makes it a tool. LoL

The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me. I asked one of our security directors if my work truck was considered a deadly weapon. He said no...I replied well what if my truck contacted a parked aircraft, running about 90 mph with a full tank of gas? He said that until it did that, it wasn't considered a deadly weapon...just a truck. LoL

Hypnogator
October 9, 2012, 03:51 PM
My company's policy is that employees be armed at all times while on duty. :what::cool:






Of course, I own the company! :neener::neener::neener::evil:

Knockdownpower
October 10, 2012, 01:29 AM
I worked at Gander mountain a few years ago and they had an anti concealed weapon policy for employees, but customers could carry. I carried my Golck 26 anyway and figured if anyone busted me I could just find another job. I never got "caught", but I did find another job though. I never would have guessed that gander would have such a policy. Cool store though.

9mmfan
October 10, 2012, 05:42 AM
I manage a bar in Texas. It is a felony for most folks to carry inside the building. As luck would have it, I am not one of those folks. It took a bit for the owner to be comfortable with the idea. After he got comfortable, I even got him to have the bar to pay for my initial CHL. As the General Manager, I require myself to carry at work. I would hate to get fired. :evil:

justice06rr
October 10, 2012, 06:39 AM
I'm one of the unfortunate ones that cant carry at work either. I did once just to test my luck, but after seriously considering the "No Weapons" rule I decided never to do it again. The weapons stay in the car now.

My place of employment? The largest hospital system in my state.

bikerdoc
October 10, 2012, 07:33 AM
Required to carry per company policy.
My retirement job is in a gun store. :)

HOOfan_1
October 10, 2012, 10:16 AM
I work in a State run public building. Open and concealed carry are allowed on the premises...just not by employees. There is also no armed security in the building, except for the very rare times the police come through. I have seen open carry in the building before and I am 100% positive that there is legal and illegal concealed carry going on in the building as well.

Pretty sure guns are allowed in locked cars though, since Virginia just passed a law which prohibited local governments from prohibiting guns in locked cars.

ZeSpectre
October 10, 2012, 10:30 AM
I used to work for an "institution of higher education". Hiring policy said I had to be unarmed "on campus" but I had an agreement with the office of campus safety where I could secure my firearm(s) there so that I could go to the range on my way home once a week. Effectively disarmed though.

Now I manage a transportation company. We operate officially on a strict "don't ask, don't tell" but "on the side" I offer a steeply discounted certification course to any employee interested in getting their CCW permit.

Ky Larry
October 10, 2012, 09:21 PM
Kentucky has a law that allows weapons to be carried while traveling to and from work. Where I work, weapons must be locked inside your vehicle while you are on company property. I worked there for over 20 years before this law went into effect. It was sorta like "Don't ask, don't tell." I always had my weapon in my car.

Deltaboy
October 10, 2012, 09:23 PM
I work at a TX Public School and we have a conflict with the Feds on this issue. TX says we can with a state CCW have it on us while in our auto or secured in the auto if we come inside the building the Feds basically have a Gun Free Bubble around any public school. I talked to my School Board and was cleared. So when I work the gate I carry it after we get in the car to go to the bank off campus.

Texan Scott
October 10, 2012, 10:29 PM
My employer is a gun person. Policy is NO WEAPONS on property. Insurance reasons of course, but also because a large percentage of employees are not old enough or legally responsible enough, and because of the high collateral casualty environment/ baf PR/ civil liability target our public face presents. Texas has a parking-lot law, but I'm not fool enough to rub any noses in it.

montanaoffroader
October 10, 2012, 11:32 PM
Where I work, the owners are gun people and the boss carries at work. We all bring in our new toys to show them off to each other, etc.

We are allowed to carry, but it's usually not practical given the shop environment.

So mine is usually locked up either in my car or tool box.

paintballdude902
October 10, 2012, 11:36 PM
im screwed a work and home.

i still live on base so i cant have my guns....

academy
October 10, 2012, 11:57 PM
Teacher, so nope.

steveb4c
October 11, 2012, 03:05 PM
my boss is a gun guy for sure(bought me a colt 6920 as a bonus). i could carry if i wanted too, but i work on irrigation systems, so i get wet and muddy. with the hot climate here, i wear loose t-shirts and shorts most of the time. we will have open carry next month, but mine will stay in the truck.

JoeMal
October 11, 2012, 03:09 PM
Not allowed inside, but allowed in my car

pappy
October 11, 2012, 03:21 PM
Nope, I work on Federal property and am subject to have my vehicle searched. In this economy, just glad to be employed so won't do anything to jeopardize that.

Skribs
October 11, 2012, 03:49 PM
I don't know...a lot of the local gun-related facilities (i.e. gun shop, range, etc.) almost seem to not allow their workers to conceal carry...most workers I've seen in these places OC.

treg
October 11, 2012, 05:51 PM
As is the case of a couple other posters I could carry (we have a mandatory show and tell policy) but it's not feasible considering the environment. It is locked in my tool box with fairly quick access though. When I leave to look at a job offsite it goes with me.

Someone would have to come up with a really good reason for me to work for a place with a no-gun policy. Sure, you could hide it, but it's telling of their mentality.

jaytex1969
October 11, 2012, 10:55 PM
School employee for now. Nothing more lethal than a butter knife, plastic...

chicharrones
October 12, 2012, 06:44 PM
Yes. We are allowed to carry at the small company I work for. I was in the CHL class with the company owner and one of my fellow co-workers back in 2008. We are not related to the firearms business, law enforcement, of military in any way.

CZ223
October 12, 2012, 07:07 PM
about the same thing as Hypnogator. Being self employed does have its benefits.:evil:

Ignition Override
October 12, 2012, 09:40 PM
You can if you are an FFDO, but the legal jurisdiction which allows you to have it available only applies in "the pointy end" of the machine.
Or so those guys tell me.

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