New Delivery Methods?!?!?!?


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45Frank
October 8, 2012, 08:01 AM
I order many things online because where I'm located there is just one place with in 50 miles to buy any type of reloading products and he knows it. It was bad and since the owner has passed on the business now is owned by his two sons and it's only gotten worse. I feel they just walk up and down the isles putting whatever price they feel like on some items and their gun prices are unbelievable.
So I am into the mail order thing which I have pretty good luck with. But lately things get shipped UPS Mail Innovations Shipment which I believe is where UPS drops the package at a post office for delivery. Well when I see this things take an extra 2-3 days, you can track the package and it sits at each destination it seems an extra day or two. I have ordered items from M_____ and half show up by UPS which here is great and half show up by the P.O. 3 days later and now it seems the packages are being dropped off further and further away from my local P.O. I am waiting for a package now that has been sitting at a P.O. 100's of miles from house since Thursday.
What gives am I the only one who thinks this is a waste since they seem to double the price of shipping and call it handling?
Anyone else have this problem????

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cfullgraf
October 8, 2012, 08:19 AM
The option of UPS dropping off packages at the post office for delivery to the end customer is a method to reduce shipping costs. At many locations, lots of packages from many vendors get dropped off at the post office which gives UPS a more efficient delivery to the area. UPS does not have to as make many stops in the area if they do not have packages fitting that delivery methods.

The down side is it does take extra time for for the end customer to get his package.

Sometimes seems a little inefficient when you get a package direct and another goes to the post office on the same day.

A friend of mine ran a business for a while. UPS would drop off his deliveries at one stop and come back later to pick up his shipments. The driver told my friend they would empty the truck first before refilling it. Seems inefficient but they do not get packages to be delivered mixed up with packages to being shipped. I am sure they have other reasons they do this to keep shipping costs as low as possible.

Most places have a selection of delivery methods and the customer to choose the method and pay the associated costs.

I mail order virtually all of my reloading supplies and equipment and choose the least cost shipping method. I can wait a day or two more and save a little.

Sometimes with my race car I need a part right now for an up coming event and I am willing to pay for premium shipping.

MrCountyCop
October 8, 2012, 10:49 AM
I have the same issue. Midway ships UPS to USPS if I don't remember to check the shipping method. The problem here is that the UPS truck doesn't get here till after the P.O. closes and the delivery status goes as attempted 2 or 3 times before the driver goes door to door with packages. I have stopped the UPS guy on my motorcycle and carried a big ass box home on the bike. Called UPS and "the shipper" several times to complain. Good Luck

Walkalong
October 8, 2012, 10:57 AM
It's a new option where UPS gets it to the town and then the USPS delivers it from there. It takes longer, but it's cheaper. There are other options to choose from when completing the order.

45Frank
October 8, 2012, 12:51 PM
It's a new option where UPS gets it to the town and then the USPS delivers it from there. It takes longer, but it's cheaper. There are other options to choose from when completing the order.
I thought it was the local PO also but I'm waiting on package two of a shipment I received Thursday. I live in Henderson cnty. NC and my package is sitting in a PO in Durham 250 miles away. I probably won't get this package until Wed. when the other part of the order has been here since Thursday.

ReloaderFred
October 8, 2012, 01:08 PM
This was due to a cooperative agreement between UPS and the USPS. UPS had the superior tracking system and USPS wanted the software, so they traded services for service.

This was the explanation I received from my regular UPS delivery driver.

Hope this helps.

Fred

rcmodel
October 8, 2012, 01:13 PM
In another thread I mentioned I ordered two Kershaw knives from KnifeCenter.
They shipped from Laurel MA, 1,123 miles from here.
From there, they got to Lenexa KS in 2.5 days.

WOW! 1,095 miles and 6 stops at UPS shipping hubs in 2.5 days!

Lenexa KS is only 28 miles from my front door.

But it took the post office three more days to get it the last 28 miles.

Six days total!!

I know there were other shipping options when I ordered.
But it said UPS, and expected delivery in 3 to 4 days.

It didn't say UPS 3 days, plus another 3 days waiting on USPS to haul it the last 28 miles.

rc

HOWARD J
October 8, 2012, 01:20 PM
I had a package (UPS) that showed on line that it was dropped at PO on thursday-set for delivery on monday BUT it was delivered on friday ??
Can you use Fed-EX ??

Still Shooting
October 9, 2012, 12:31 AM
I have made a practice of ordering everything UPS Ground. Nevertheless, some of it goes UPS to USPS. My local Post Office gets drops from UPS, and I live 180 ft. from it in a village of 38 houses. I have actually had a shipment where the UPS truck stopped at the house to deliver one box, and dropped the other at the Post Office!

Sometimes UPS drops at another P.O. about 15 miles from me, and I wait 2-3 days for them to get it to my local P.O.

The thing seems to have neither Rhyme nor Reason...:fire:

ColtPythonElite
October 9, 2012, 12:41 AM
Very few UPS problems here... I recently had a 2 day package make a 400 mile trip in 10 hours.

45Frank
October 9, 2012, 07:38 AM
Very few UPS problems here... I recently had a 2 day package make a 400 mile trip in 10 hours.
Don't know who is saving money here and who is making money but the customer is on the bottom. But it makes no sense when you have package one shipped with UPS door to door delivered in only 2 days and in the same order package 2 being dropped at a post office more then 250 miles away and sitting there for 3 days, then sitting in a post office 30 miles away an additional day.
I understand we had a holiday yesterday but from the tracking I will get the package tomorrow(Maybe) which will be a week and a day since ordered when the larger was delivered Thursday.
Well I will tell ya this that the next order I will be TELLING them either UPS all the way or I will see if they upgrade at their expense because 8 days is crazy for an item that is probably in an envelope.
Anyway today I'm off to a shop I was told has a really good reloading selection about 45 miles from here, hopefully they will be a good outlet for supplies.

FROGO207
October 9, 2012, 07:55 AM
Where I live the UPS Red overnight delivery means at least 2 days. Same as Blue 2 day with higher price.:banghead: BUT the regular shipping from New England (Mass, RI, or Portland ME) are delivered overnight to me in downeast ME.:what: A sad commentary on the way MANY THINGS are these days.:cuss:

45Frank
October 9, 2012, 09:23 AM
A funny slightly off topic story. I used to bid on homes, campers, property and things either over the phone or on line. Well a few years back before computers took over our lives you had in some cases 24 hours to fill payment obligations. I won a bid a a nearly new double-wide on the side of a mountain and had to get them 10% in 24 hours. I went to the trusty USPS and had a certified check sent out and I didn't hear anything after a few days. I called the auctioneer in Tenn and he said he didn't receive my payment and he didn't care to hear tracking numbers and all it was done I lost the unit.
Well I smoked over to the local PO and I was a little upset to say the least. I was told and I will quote "Our next day delivery means the next day after it gets to the local delivery post office not from when it's mailed." After that I use Fed-Ex for anything important and have never had a problem. I receive papers to sign and the driver will wait and reseal it and send it right back with the same driver. Try that with the USPS. Never really had a problem with UPS either.

medalguy
October 9, 2012, 11:29 PM
The new Innovations system is the spawn of the devil, or Chicago politicians, take your pick, they're the same. I've also had packages sit for 2-3 days in some PO with no movement. Try to watch the web site when you order, and if there's a section for remarks, enter "MUST SHIP USPS" and watch the order to see if they do this. Generally most sellers will do what you ask, but be aware the shipping cost might be a little bit higher. After all, the purpose of Innovations is to reduce cost. :scrutiny:

Blackrock
October 10, 2012, 09:57 AM
Eeyup, been sitting and waiting on an order from Midway for over a week now. Ordered on 10/5- Lenexa Ks to Phoenix then to Globe Az then BACK to Phoenix for some unknown reason then BACK to Safford,Az on 10/8 (Holiday) then to the PO on 10/9 so MAYBE I will get it today.

SSN Vet
October 10, 2012, 10:46 AM
UPS would drop off his deliveries at one stop and come back later to pick up his shipments.

This is the arrangement where I work... they come twice a day every day and it goes slick as butter.

We have the software and scale all set up, so the bar code labels are printed and attached, and UPS knows exaclty how many packages to expect. Our outbound will fill half the van on average, and some days the guy comes back towing a trailer, and we'll fill both the van and the trailer.

If you want UPS to the door of your residence, I believe you have to pay for the upgrade to 2-3 day service.

Realize that a lot of stores (like Midway) have a pick up option, so I think it's fair that they only charge handling (the cost of the box and labor to pack it) to the customers that use that service.

hanleyfan
October 10, 2012, 02:00 PM
UPS is not the only one, Fedex has a program called Fedex smart post where they deliver your package to your local post office and they deliver it to your house, problem is like UPS is the box sits there for 2-4 days before they deliver it. I have a box sitting there now for 3 days and I think I am going down there and try pick it up myself.

788Ham
October 11, 2012, 12:59 PM
You know guys, I looked at this the other day, I thought, "You've got to be kidding me, worrying about delivering?" Well I've changed my mind on this subject! I placed an order with Midway this past Mon. aft., just like always, shipped by UPS... until I saw today's notice on shipping. The order shipped UPS from KC, Kan., heres the good part, then went USPS to someplace in Happy Valley, Utah, skipped the whole state of Colorado where it needed to be delivered ! "Expected delivery, Mon., 10-15-2012." I won't make you endure any more of my diatribe, I now see what you're all bitchin' about!

medalguy
October 11, 2012, 01:40 PM
OT sorta, but the reason UPS makes 2 visits a day is so they can deliver packages as early in the day as possible, then give people and business time during the day to get their outbound packages ready to go. My business received our inbounds at around 10 AM, and the outbounds went out around 4 PM. We had all day to pack and prepare our shipments.

It wouldn't work as well if they delivered AND picked up at 10 AM. The same-day packages (which we used quite a bit) would probably all have to wait a full day in our shipping department before they got picked up.

45Frank
October 11, 2012, 01:52 PM
You know guys, I looked at this the other day, I thought, "You've got to be kidding me, worrying about delivering?" Well I've changed my mind on this subject! I placed an order with Midway this past Mon. aft., just like always, shipped by UPS... until I saw today's notice on shipping. The order shipped UPS from KC, Kan., heres the good part, then went USPS to someplace in Happy Valley, Utah, skipped the whole state of Colorado where it needed to be delivered ! "Expected delivery, Mon., 10-15-2012." I won't make you endure any more of my diatribe, I now see what you're all bitchin' about!
Here's what I don't get, is it because it's firearm related? I order things from McMaster-Carr or Grainger or Agri supply sometime as late as 3-4pm and it's here the next afternoon standard delivery. All are further or as far.
I finally received my package 8 days after ordering and it was dropped at a PO 250 miles away.

Vette
October 11, 2012, 02:01 PM
Fed X is now doing the same thing calling it Fed X smart post. Order from WI fed x to KC in 1 day 250 miles from me. Turned over to usps in KC. 3 more days to local po
then 2 days to deliver. Unless its free shipping I will not ship this way again.

SSN Vet
October 11, 2012, 03:29 PM
Fast, good, cheap.

you usually only get to pick two

blarby
October 11, 2012, 03:44 PM
I'll take fast and cheap.

Where do I sign ?

I get none of these three options with any regularity.

I'm just glad I have a delivery box closer to a main city, as opposed to having things sent directly to my house. I've watched things in transit get pinged around trying to get to my house using "innovations" and its not pretty.

For everyone who lives near the singular midway pickup point, im glad that they can make use of that. For the other 49(ish) states , we have to wait on the United Slacking and Payment Service >.<

The sad thing is, USPS has a great product in flat rate... The software they got from UPS for this trade was supposed to make tracking of packages and filing of insurance claims ACTUALLY possible...unfortunately, this has yet to occur. Thats really the only thing missing. Once they fix that, and can actually compete with the other two in knowing where a package is- the USPS might actually become viable as a business again....not before.

I love flat rate.

I know now why big business wont use it.

45Frank
October 17, 2012, 09:36 AM
Don't know if I can post this here or not. But here goes anyway.

Numrich Gun Parts Corporation
TODAY ONLY: $6.50 OFF shipping and handling
Coupon code: FB8971

targetback
October 17, 2012, 03:30 PM
I have problems with midway also. the shipment gets to a point and comes up the person not living there anymore .I never moved .I swithched to graf&sons with fed x no problems .

VINTAGE-SLOTCARS
October 17, 2012, 05:49 PM
I also have had a problem with M..W.., they shipped by UPS, and requested final delivery by USPS????? I live 25 miles east of Los Angeles and UPS , FEDEX drive by daily. Why would they request to change shippers? This caused delivery to be delayed by 4 days. This drives me nuts waiting for my parts ( kinda like waiting for candy ). A total delivery of 10 days ??? Their prices are very fair but delivery is very poor.

45Frank
October 18, 2012, 09:15 AM
I did finally get my MW order and it took 8 days with this USPS crap. It sat in a PO 250 miles from my house for 2 day, then one 30 miles from my house, then 2 day at my local PO. Yet package 1 of 2 took only three days UPS all the way. Go figure.
I really like midway but I will request UPS all the way from now on or I will be moving on also.

ReloaderFred
October 18, 2012, 12:30 PM
I was told by my UPS delivery person that UPS has added a program to their computers that will redirect a package from the Post Office to UPS delivery IF there is another UPS package scheduled to be delivered to your address the same day as the other package was scheduled to be delivered to USPS. He showed me the difference in the tracking numbers, since one of the packages he brought would have normally been delivered to the Post Office for delivery, but we had another package to be delivered that day, so he brought both of them. There are the letters "PO" in the tracking number that would normally go to the Post Office.

He also told me that they deliver about half a van load of packages to our small Post Office just about every day, but that during the Christmas season, they will deliver the equivalent of a full van load to the PO.

Hope this helps.

Fred

jhop73
October 18, 2012, 02:33 PM
you have a choice when you enter your order at midway here is what i was able to choose from regular ups ground was $14.72 ant the ups sure post with usps final delivery was $8.90, you have a choice cheap or fast
In Stock Shipping
Method Price Est. Arrival
UPS Sure Post (USPS Final Delivery) $8.90 10/23/12
USPS Parcel Post $9.16 10/29/12
USPS Priority Mail $12.56 10/23/12
UPS Ground $14.72 10/22/12
UPS 2nd Day Air $17.04 10/22/12
USPS Priority Mail Flat Rate - Medium $17.25 10/23/12
USPS Priority Mail Flat Rate - Large $21.10 10/23/12
UPS Next Day Air Saver $33.75 10/19/12
UPS Next Day Air $37.45 10/19/12

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