what handgun for snakes and hogs


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FredHunter
October 8, 2012, 10:41 PM
I live in Florida and want a back up sidearm while archery hunting. I want to be prepared for snakes and hogs. What handgun and caliber do you suggest?
Thanks

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ColtPythonElite
October 8, 2012, 10:49 PM
.357

adelbridge
October 9, 2012, 01:42 PM
a snake is a small target unless you use handgun caliber shot shells which would be useless on a hog. I hunt hogs in snake infested brush country and never wanted to scare off the hogs shooting snakes.

mcappys
October 9, 2012, 02:37 PM
For hogs 357 & up first round shot shell ,
or one of them Tarus 45-410s same thing shot shell first round

shot shells can cause a lockup if not fired first,
recoil can cause the plastic to slip out of the case.

not so with the 410

H&Hhunter
October 9, 2012, 03:08 PM
I use a S&W 329 PD .44 Mag with a first round up of Snake shot and then 5 240 gr soft points.

HOWEVER, HEED THIS WARNING......

Do not rotate your cylinder and fire a full house load with a snake shot capsule still in your cylinder. It can and will, I've had it happen, bust open your snake shot capsule and then all those little bitty #9 or #8 BB's will get stuck in your action and freeze you pistol solid.

I had it happen in rather dire situation once. My Dogs had a hog bayed up. I got a clear shot and took it missing the hog at like 10 yards(I don't want to hear it!;)). Then the pistol froze up. My rifle had a case head separation not 5 minutes earlier and the case was stuck in the chamber making it worthless. And here 's the best part when I went for my knife it had come out of the sheath at some point and was GONE. Also known as a triple failure to git er done!

Now the dogs are latched onto the hog and starting to lose the fight and I have one useless rifle, one useless pistol, one genuine knife empty knife sheath one really pissed off hog with a .44 bullet graze across his nose just enough of a wound to REALLY piss him off!!

I resorted grabbing a thick mesquite branch and swatting the hog on the head multiple times distracting him long enough for me to get the dogs off him. The hog got over it and took off I caught the dogs and as far as I know that hog is still roaming the high plains of North West Texas!!

Not one of my better days.:D:D

FredHunter
October 10, 2012, 07:35 AM
Great info folks. Thank You. I am still undecided. It seems to be one of those times that it's just a matter of preference and budget. Thanks for your input.

MCgunner
October 10, 2012, 07:37 AM
.357 is light, easy to carry, accurate enough to shoot the snakes head off (if you MUST) with a bullet, no shot loads needed if you can shoot. If you can't shoot a revolver, don't bother, just step around the snake. And, remember, snake boots are your friend and best defense against snakes. Snake boots are AKA south Texas Ropers in these parts. :D

Hogs are not a threat to humans if you're worried about one eating you. The only time I've EVER been attacked by a hog is when I attacked him first and then had to blood trail him. With archery equipment, I can understand THIS worry. I can tell ya this, though. After tracking down that pig and finishing him with a head shot, I decided once and for all any wounded pig I shoot in the future dies on his own under a lonely bush. I don't need pig meat that bad. Plenty more where he came from. :D

MCgunner
October 10, 2012, 07:44 AM
Do not rotate your cylinder and fire a full house load with a snake shot capsule still in your cylinder. It can and will, I've had it happen, bust open your snake shot capsule and then all those little bitty #9 or #8 BB's will get stuck in your action and freeze you pistol solid.

Easy fix, there. Load 8 or 9 shot over about 2-3 grains Bullseye and a gas check. Fill the case with shot, top it with another gas check and roll crimp the lot. Works great. I've loaded and tested them at the range. I never used one or even carried one in the field, though. I normally just sidestep snakes unless I want me some fried rattler, then I just shoot the head with a bullet. Works every time. :D Head shots are pretty easy at 20 feet on a coiled rattler. I've even shot a few moving water snakes this way, though it took more'n one shot on a few occasions to connect. Was a .22 pistol.

threefortyduster
October 10, 2012, 12:39 PM
I carry a .357 snub with the first 2 rounds being the CCI shotshell cartridges backed up by 3 rounds of .357 Magnum 158gr soft points or 140 gr LeverEvolution rounds.

22-rimfire
October 10, 2012, 01:24 PM
My suggestion would be a 4" Ruger GP-100 (357 mag). I'd carry about 6 rounds of shot and whatever you want to for regular 357 loads. I personally would keep it loaded with regular 357 loads and keep a few shot shells available. Snakes usually aren't quick shots. If a quick shot is needed, you certainly didn't need to kill the snake.

I would avoid shooting snakes unless it is a Cotton Mouth, or one of the exotics that are becoming common in South FL. Rattlesnakes and Copperheads can be just avoided in most cases and don't need to be dispatched.

WardenWolf
October 10, 2012, 03:38 PM
Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt. Shotshells for snakes, slugs for hogs.

threefortyduster
October 10, 2012, 03:50 PM
Snakes usually aren't quick shots. If a quick shot is needed, you certainly didn't need to kill the snake.

Have you ever had a cottonmouth come right at you? They are aggressive. I've had them come after my ATV while just driving down the road. I've had them attack the truck, try to get to me. That's why I keep the first 2 shots as snake shot. Sometimes, quick shots are most definitely needed.

Double Naught Spy
October 10, 2012, 04:11 PM
Hogs are not a threat to humans if you're worried about one eating you. The only time I've EVER been attacked by a hog is when I attacked him first and then had to blood trail him.

Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!

WardenWolf
October 10, 2012, 04:13 PM
Tell that to the farmer in Texas who was recently attacked and eaten by his hogs.

22-rimfire
October 10, 2012, 04:59 PM
I've had my tangles with Cotton Mouths. It is just about the only snake that I absolutely hate and would kill on sight.

CountryUgly
October 11, 2012, 08:20 PM
Wouldn't the "Judge" be the optimum choice here for this given situation???? Personally I'm not a fan of it but it may have a use yet in this particular situation.

FredHunter
October 12, 2012, 07:34 PM
CountryUgly,
Funny you should mention it. I stopped at my local gun shop and low and behold that is what the salesman suggested. I knew about it and disregarded it. It may be the ticket. 6 inch barrel of course.

What do y'all think? Judge???

FC3

MCgunner
October 12, 2012, 09:46 PM
I have a much more usable gun that da Judge in .410/.45 Colt..

http://i49.tinypic.com/talzrm.jpg

Of course, you only have one shot, but just don't miss. Carry it choke installed. If you wind up blood trailing a hog, take the choke off and put a .45 in it.

Judge? Well, okay, if ya can't shoot.

shiftyer1
October 12, 2012, 10:38 PM
I was using an h&r 22 revolver for snakes today while cutting grass, I got 2 copperheads and missed one, I've used it on hogs before also.

In the field I prefer .357

jmorris
October 12, 2012, 10:59 PM
I have a bondarms 45lc that holds over 700 #12 shot that is good for snakes while fishing but generally use what I have on me at other times.

No problem hitting them even with shorty pistols and 9mm is plenty.

http://s121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/farm/HPIM0269.jpg

MCgunner
October 13, 2012, 09:18 PM
I was on a little 43 acre lake in a "sportsman's club' I was in once, one of the leases. It was infested with water snakes, not moccasins, but the very aggressive non poisonous water snakes with the flat fin like tail. I went there to fish, but had a little Phoenix Arms HP22 on me. Now this little pocket auto has a 3" barrel, is kinda a POS, but it's very accurate and quite reliable. I shot a dozen or more that day swimming and on tree limbs out to 25 yards. I was having a ball, forgot all about fishing. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-016.gif There was one on a limb about 20 yards from the boat, couldn't see his head. He was FAT, probably 3" diameter, so I shot him amid ships. He rolled off that tree, spotted me, rared up out of the water half his body length and came after me. Now, I'm in a 10 ft john boat. I took aim at his head and started firing, 9 shots left in the gun. On about shot number 7, I hit the head as it was weaving back and forth. By this time he was 10 yards max from the boat, maybe a bit closer. I was getting ready to drop the pistol and grab the paddle for CQB. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-016.gif

That was a buncha fun. :D I've kept that little gun all these years with that memory of it being the best. It's had its problems and I've replaced it with a Ruger SR22 as a pocket fishing take along. I keep the HP22, though, too cheap to get rid of and it's still working. I don't shoot it much, figure the zamak will snap soon, probably 2K through the little gun over the years.

Yeah, if you can shoot and you ain't skirt, you don't need shot loads.http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif

Patocazador
October 16, 2012, 11:08 AM
I live in Florida and want a back up sidearm while archery hunting. I want to be prepared for snakes and hogs. What handgun and caliber do you suggest?
Thanks
In order to legally bowhunt with a firearm in Fla., it has to be concealed and you must possess a concealed weapons permit. A revolver on your hip will get you written up. Therefore, a .38 snubby with Speer shotshells would work for close snakes but be useless for hogs unless you are an excellent shot with it. Maybe a .40 cal. auto would do with a handloaded shotshell for the first shot.

brnmuenchow
October 16, 2012, 11:22 AM
.357 Mag.

CatManDo
October 16, 2012, 12:06 PM
I handload shotshells for my 357 SP101 and it handles snakes just fine. The longest shot was about 5 yards. My last one was a water snake that way getting in the way while I was seining for bait fish.

MCgunner
October 18, 2012, 11:23 AM
In order to legally bowhunt with a firearm in Fla., it has to be concealed and you must possess a concealed weapons permit. A revolver on your hip will get you written up. Therefore, a .38 snubby with Speer shotshells would work for close snakes but be useless for hogs unless you are an excellent shot with it. Maybe a .40 cal. auto would do with a handloaded shotshell for the first shot.

I've killed a lot of hogs in the trap with a .38 +P carry load in 140 grains. Head shots are final. But, I wouldn't hunt hogs with it, but I'm thinkin' if he's archery hunting, he ain't handgun hunting and, therefore, it's for finishing off the animal? Just slide a carry load in it for that. Might be good to have something to finish it off since a bow ain't that good for that. But, then, I thought you waited 30 minutes to track an animal that's bow shot. I guess you COULD walk up on it still breathing. I don't know, own and shoot bows, but never shot game with one.

Shimitup
October 19, 2012, 12:20 AM
Thanks H&Hhunter, that was entertaining! :)

Sav .250
October 19, 2012, 07:59 AM
You don`t need a ....cannon to shot/kill snakes. Hogs maybe.

I live in the country and see plenty of snakes of all kinds but I don`t kill them. That being said, I`ve killed a few very large rattle snakes. They get close to the house and they`ve over crawed their bounderies. Those were dispatched with a 22 cal.

2zulu1
October 19, 2012, 02:00 PM
Ever since I had a Diamondback live after being shot 3 times with CCI 357mag snakeshot, I've gone back to the time tested shot behind the head.

This Mojave rattler was shot behind its head with a Browning Hi-Power, it was by the front door and was coiling for a strike.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g474/aztrekker511/2012-08-05_18-40-57_741.jpg

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g474/aztrekker511/2012-08-05_18-50-55_119.jpg

I prefer to carry a M29 Mountain this time of year loaded with heavy WFNs because of its ability to stay on target if I need to shoot through heavy brush.

MCgunner
October 19, 2012, 10:20 PM
Biggest snake I ever killed was a 6' plus rattler. A shot behind the head with a shovel was all it took, firearms discharge being illegal in the town I lived at the time.

nathan
October 20, 2012, 01:36 AM
Anyone use 9mm Makarov to take out snakes and kill hogs inside the trap? How did it perform with penetration ?

Cooldill
October 20, 2012, 03:08 AM
.357 no doubt, an SP-101 would be golden. If you don trust CCI snake shot, a light .38 would be fine for a headshot for snakes. Something much hotter in .357 would be good medicine on hog at close range.

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