My Critter-Gitter .45acp Load


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Joshua M. Smith
October 9, 2012, 02:10 AM
My .45acp Critter-Gitter load, 51 rounds:

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o560/Smith-Sights/Handloading/45%20acp/crittergetter2.jpg

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o560/Smith-Sights/Handloading/45%20acp/crittergetter3.jpg

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o560/Smith-Sights/Handloading/45%20acp/crittergetter1.jpg

... and cleaned the 1911 yesterday, detail strip.

The load is a nominal 5.2 grains of W231 under a my soft-cast (almost pure lead, with just enough tin to let it flow but not frost at high heat) flat nose, truncated cone 230 grain nominal, 235 to 240 grain actual (due to the alloy used).

Be aware that this MAX according to the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook but pressure is listed as about 3kpsi under standard .45acp. Start low at about 4.2 grains and work up to 5.2 MAX.

This load is the longest I could take it with this bullet and still have it function in the magazines. This usually means 1.275COL for round nose but, in this case using truncated cone, it maxed out at an even 1.25COL.

Lube was homemade. Don't remember the particular blend I had on these boolits. Something like beeswax, LLA, lanolin and Militec-1. May have some paraffin in there. Something fancy that I'll not be doing again. Next will be beeswax/Crisco/lanolin or something simple like that!

Josh

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JLDickmon
October 9, 2012, 09:40 AM
similar bullet to what I use on my possum/raccoon loads for around the farm, only mine are commercial, not home spun..

I seat them a little deeper (to the shoulder) and power them with VV N340

Kingcreek
October 9, 2012, 01:15 PM
Mine are 200gr cast wit 5.5 gr 231. I've got a 5 gal bucket 1/2 full of them and I can make more if I run low.

Bula
October 9, 2012, 06:59 PM
I could not get that (Assuming it's a Lee 230 Tc Mold) to shoot reliable in my Colt 1911. Same load, and I experimented with OAL's from 1.18" to 1.26" and light to heavy taper crimps, no go. I'm keeping the mold, for med/light 45 colt use. That profile should provide enough smack on whatever needs it.

Joshua M. Smith
October 9, 2012, 08:45 PM
Bula, it's the Lee, the regular not tumble-lube.

I find these feed best with the old taper-lip (GI) magazine design and Wilson #47 bodies with Tripp followers.

Almost as good is the MetalForm 8 round "Tactial Elite". MetalForm is just an excellent magazine company, anyway.

When you start getting into the CMC and Kimber mags feeding starts getting decidedly choppy. It works and doesn't choke, but not nearly as smoothly as those above.

Triple K and such just aren't worth it, as I'm sure you've discovered.

Josh

rcmodel
October 9, 2012, 09:04 PM
This load is the longest I could take it with this bullet and still have it function in the magazines. Who cares about the magazine.

I'd be surprised if that bullet design isn't jambing into the rifling leade at that length!!

Did you take the barrel out of the gun and do a "Plunk Test" in the chamber??

Any load must be able to drop in the chamber all the way with a "plunk", headspace to the back of the barrel hood, and then fall out of it's own weight when you turn the barrel chamber down.

If it won't, you are seating too long, and into the rifling leade.
And that can lead to a Series Of Unfortunate Events sooner or later.

rc

PapaG
October 9, 2012, 09:47 PM
Robs 45-255kt seated to front of front driving band and the almost max load of unique....from ayoob's first Book of the 1911. I can get 8" of penetration in dry pine. Shot clear through the shoulders of a deer carcass found a couple days after season on my farm. Feeds in my Pro?carry as well as my Norinco pin gun. A little stiff feeling in the 625, but still safe.

Joshua M. Smith
October 10, 2012, 02:42 AM
Who cares about the magazine.

I'd be surprised if that bullet design isn't jambing into the rifling leade at that length!!

Did you take the barrel out of the gun and do a "Plunk Test" in the chamber??

Any load must be able to drop in the chamber all the way with a "plunk", headspace to the back of the barrel hood, and then fall out of it's own weight when you turn the barrel chamber down.

If it won't, you are seating too long, and into the rifling leade.
And that can lead to a Series Of Unfortunate Events sooner or later.

rc

Prepare to be surprised, RC! I was.

I used to load it shorter for the same reason you're concerned, and then got to playing with COL and feeding. This just provides the best feeding and doesn't headspace on the bullet. I have made loads that do, and you know how, if you push on the back of the case, they're mushy, right? As you push the lead into the rifling? I have hard case contact. It's headspacing on the case mouth:

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o560/Smith-Sights/Handloading/45%20acp/crittergetterheadspace2.jpg

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o560/Smith-Sights/Handloading/45%20acp/crittergetterheadspace.jpg

http://www.shootersforum.com/attachments/handloading-procedures-practices/7260d1213756288-45-acp-reloading-beginners-.45-seating-possibilities-x800.jpg

I just explain it to myself as the lead version of the Hornady TAP:

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/lgprod/AMM-502.jpg
Courtesy Cheaper Than Dirt

The TAP stuff feeds very nicely in my pistol, and so I figured I'd try to work this cast truncated cone out to the same approximate length at the shoulder. It seems to have worked. All rounds pass the drop test.

Regards,

Josh

CZ57
October 11, 2012, 07:57 PM
I guess I have two critter getters in .45 ACP. The Missouri Bullet 200 gr SWC loaded with 6.0 grs. of Ramshot ZIP and a 230 gr. JHP coincidentally, also loaded with 6.0 grs. of ZIP. Makes changeover from one bullet to another a little easier. With ZIP both loads are clean and accurate. ;)

Walkalong
October 11, 2012, 09:55 PM
Did you take the barrel out of the gun and do a "Plunk Test" in the chamber??

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=506678

Joshua M. Smith
October 12, 2012, 11:43 PM
Yup.

coyotemoon
October 12, 2012, 11:54 PM
I guess I have two critter getters in .45 ACP. The Missouri Bullet 200 gr SWC loaded with 6.0 grs. of Ramshot ZIP and a 230 gr. JHP coincidentally, also loaded with 6.0 grs. of ZIP. Makes changeover from one bullet to another a little easier. With ZIP both loads are clean and accurate. ;)
What do you think of the ZIP powder. Have been reading some about it. Less powder charge.

CZ57
October 13, 2012, 05:26 PM
What do you think of the ZIP powder. Have been reading some about it. Less powder charge.

I really like it. It burns cleaner than W231 and performance is a little better with ZIP, plus I get very good accuracy with it. I have used several different powders in .45 ACP, before ZIP I was using WST for cast lead 200 gr. SWC loads and W231 for JHP loads. Now I can do it all with ZIP. If you want lower recoil or a target load using a 200 gr. SWC, you can use it at the start charge level or just above. For higher performance with JHPs, ZIP will outperform W231, burn cleaner and is more accurate for me. ;)

Walkalong
October 13, 2012, 09:11 PM
Zip can be very accurate in .45 ACP. If you like W-231 and cannot find any, Zip should satisfy you. It will not replace WST for me.

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