Which target style 9mm would you choose?


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Johnny Lightning
October 9, 2012, 08:55 PM
I'm in the market for a new target style 9mm that will be used as a range gun and am having a hard time choosing. Which would you choose or do you have any other suggestions? My budget is up to 2g and accuracy is top priority.

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GreyCoupe
October 9, 2012, 09:10 PM
SIG. Allround is a great pistol, with an exceptional trigger. Awfully heavy to carry, but a great range gun. Parts, smithing available for additional work.

BYJO4
October 9, 2012, 09:11 PM
Baer is virtually impossible to beat for accuracy.

SlamFire1
October 9, 2012, 09:41 PM
A David Sams M92 Beretta.

http://www.samscustomgunworksusa.com/beretta92customwork.html

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/Pistols%20various/RightSideBerettaM92FSDSCN5704.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/Pistols%20various/SlideRackedbackshowingbarrelflareDS.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/Pistols%20various/RightsideframefieldstrippedBerettaM.jpg

Johnny Lightning
October 9, 2012, 09:53 PM
I knew I forgot to add a pistol...the M92! I sort of like the DA-SA pistols vs the SA only pistols but I am fairly sure the SA pistols will have better triggers.

allaroundhunter
October 9, 2012, 09:56 PM
For consistent accuracy from shot to shot, I will take a SAO pistol....The Baer is a great gun. A close second would be the X-Five.

9mmepiphany
October 9, 2012, 10:47 PM
I knew I forgot to add a pistol...the M92! I sort of like the DA-SA pistols vs the SA only pistols but I am fairly sure the SA pistols will have better triggers.
I gather you haven't felt a properly tuned X-5 Allaround's trigger.

For consistent accuracy from shot to shot, I will take a SAO pistol....The Baer is a great gun. A close second would be the X-Five.
Here's a picture I've posted before of a 1.10" group that Bruce Gray shot at 50 yards off a range bag, while preparing to shoot the Bianchi Cup a couple of years ago

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c119/Grayguns/X5groupjpg.jpg

CZ57
October 9, 2012, 10:50 PM
How about something that will save you some money and still shoot as good as a person is most likely capable of? The SA XDm 5.25 Comp. model and a trigger kit from Powder River precision that you can install or have them install. The barrel in the XDm is "Match Grade" and the trigger kit will allow you to take full advantage of it. ;)

speedway
October 9, 2012, 10:58 PM
HK USP9sd

Great gun. Pricey, but I shoot it extremely well.

Jed Carter
October 10, 2012, 06:07 AM
I have a Trojan from STI's Custom shop, it is my best shooting 1911, including a S&W 1911 PC. The STI will save you a lot over most of your choices, another reason to get the Trojan. I usually use my Trojan in USPSA Single Stack division, it has well over 7000 rounds in the last 2 years. Not one failure of any kind, great trigger, best shooting pistol straight from the box I have ever shot. STI does make better 1911s with forged frames (Spartan and Trojan are cast frames) Sentry model is a step up but still cheaper than most pistols in the survey.

farscott
October 10, 2012, 06:42 AM
I like the 9x19 1911s, and my most accurate one is a David Sams full-house build starting from a Caspian frame and slide that I use for PPC.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h229/farscott/Sams_CR1_9x19_4.jpg

However, the used SIG P210 also has to be considered, especially as the price is less than half of the custom 1911 and precision is on par. The 1911 wins on ergonomics, but the SIG P210 is an impressive shooter.

Johnny Lightning
October 10, 2012, 07:59 AM
That is one fine looking custom 1911 farscott! Its too bad I don't have the $ for a full custom 1911 in 9mm :( There are still good choices out there though.

hentown
October 10, 2012, 08:28 AM
Dave Sevigny, using a G34, whipped Rob Leatham, who was using a tricked-out 1911.

mavracer
October 10, 2012, 08:56 AM
While they can be outstanding guns, 5" 9mm 1911s just seem wrong to me. My choice would either be the p210 or a Smith 952. Although $4$ my CZ 85 is one of the best shooting guns I own, I imagine a Shadow wouldn't disappoint you.

Creature
October 10, 2012, 10:03 AM
I havent shot the majority of the list but the P210 Legend gets my vote.

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P210-TGT-Detail-hero.jpg

Pilot
October 10, 2012, 10:23 AM
I had to go with the all steel, tuned CZ SP-01, especially for the money. Great balance, great tuned trigger, superb ergonomics with the new beavertail, great reliability, and accuracy.

Peter M. Eick
October 10, 2012, 07:18 PM
http://eickpm.com/picts/210x2.jpg

Really hard to go wrong with a 210... (especially if you have 2 of them).

allaroundhunter
October 10, 2012, 09:02 PM
Dave Sevigny, using a G34, whipped Rob Leatham, who was using a tricked-out 1911.

Except they were shooting action pistol, which means the best choice of handgun will be a mix between accuracy and speed. The Glock 34 will never be able to compare to the accuracy of a Sig X-Five, Les Baer, or Sig P210 (just to name a few)

Here's a picture I've posted before of a 1.10" group that Bruce Gray shot at 50 yards off a range bag, while preparing to shoot the Bianchi Cup a couple of years ago

But I am guessing those are all fired SA, correct? The Sig X-Five has a wonderful SA pull, and its DA pull is nice as well. My meaning was just that it will be harder to be as accurate with a first DA shot from an X-Five than it would be a first SA shot from the Baer.

9mmepiphany
October 10, 2012, 09:28 PM
I believe the shot in on the lower right was the first DA first shot...but, I could be wrong

In practice, both Bruce and Mickey Fowler can hold about 3" standing shooting 2-handed at 50 yards when practicing for the Bianchi Cup. They were competing in Production, so the first shot is fired DA.

My meaning was just that it will be harder to be as accurate with a first DA shot from an X-Five than it would be a first SA shot from the Baer.
Hard to say, Bruce has built some really nice 1911s and shot them in USPSA/IPSC. When he competed for the SIG Shooting team with the 226, he said there wasn't a difference in speed or accuracy for the first shot out to 25 yards. He said he slowed down a bit to refine his sight picture at 50 yards...bear in mind, this is slowing down a bit from a 1 sec first shot reacting to a buzzer.

I'll add that when the game is weighted more toward accuracy, when I competed in PPC (early 80s), everyone shot the 50 yard COF DAO for the whole 24 rounds

Swing
October 10, 2012, 09:44 PM
Browning Highpower.

Johnny Lightning
October 10, 2012, 10:41 PM
Looks like the sig p210 has the lead! The custom cz is appealing for the price though. Seems like I would be getting alot of nice features for the money.

Bozwell
October 10, 2012, 11:03 PM
The P210 may be more accurate than the custom CZ's, but I would say the CZ's are going to be more versatile. A lot of the custom shop CZ's can transition pretty easily into the various shooting games, and are really just all-around great range pistols. While my collection has grown considerably since I purchased it, my Shadow custom is still my favorite gun to bring to the range. Now, if all you're interested in is the tightest group at 50 yards, there are probably better choices. But, for me personally, accuracy is only fun up to a point, and a pistol needs to do more than that to really motivate me out to the pistol pit every weekend. :)

That said, all of the guns mentioned above are fantastic guns and would make great choices. When spending this much money, you really just need to go with the one you want the most.

BCRider
October 10, 2012, 11:35 PM
I've matched the best ever group I've ever gotten the first time I shot a mag through an STI Rangemaster. And then I shot the second mag and it was even smaller.

Tight tolerances with a great trigger, a long sight baseline courtesy of the 6 inch barrel, low recoil courtesy of the full length dust cover and available in 9x19. Play around with bullets to find what it likes the best and I think you'd have a winner.

The same place where I shot the Rangemaster has a couple of Trojans. I thought those were great guns until I shot that Rangemaster. Total convert right there.

jim243
October 10, 2012, 11:42 PM
This would be my pick, if I could afford it.

Jim

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt284/bigjim_02/TruBorGMBlue_Main_320x240.jpg

oldironsights
October 11, 2012, 05:45 AM
While I would pick a SIG. or CZ as a first or second choice, I voted for the Browning high power because that is the only one on the list that I currently own.
I have CZ,"s, SIG"s, Steyr"s, & 1911's not listed that will out shoot my HP.

XTrooper
October 11, 2012, 07:27 AM
My idea of the ultimate 9x19 target pistol is the Heckler & Koch USP Match. If I could find one, I'd buy it! Unfortunately, they were discontinued in the late '90s. It's endorsed by "The Tomb Raider!" :D

http://www.hkpro.com/uspmatchtarget.jpg http://www.hkpro.com/uspmatchcroft.jpg

dondavis3
October 11, 2012, 01:07 PM
I love & compete with my Sig Sauer P226 X5

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/dondavis3/Guns/SigSauerP226X57.jpg

This is a heck of a gun.

You should also look at a XDm 5.25 competition

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/dondavis3/Guns/SpringfieldXdM525Competition.jpg

Also the S&W M&P Pro 5"

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/dondavis3/Guns/SWMPPro9mm4.jpg

All three very solid competition guns

IMHO

:cool:

robctwo
October 13, 2012, 01:50 AM
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/robctwo/DSCN2544.jpg

Les Baer PII

Pilot
October 13, 2012, 06:53 AM
CZ SP-01

Manual Safety

http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii332/jr_richardson/CZUpdated.jpg

Decocker version

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq112/geezeepix/cz3014.jpg

wlewisiii
October 13, 2012, 02:30 PM
If I actually had the kind of money required, I'd buy a SIG 210 which is what I picked on your poll.

Real world? I'll count myself lucky if I get a Glock 34.

wow6599
October 13, 2012, 06:10 PM
I voted Hi-Power, but with the caveat that it gets the trigger worked over.

A BHP with a 5lb +/-, crisp trigger is a thing of beauty.....but not every 'smith can do it right. Probably going to cost a couple hundred bucks minimum.

forindooruseonly
October 13, 2012, 06:29 PM
Of the options, a SIG 210 hands down.

But, maybe a S&W 952?

1SOW
October 13, 2012, 11:11 PM
My son's Shadow is an impressive pistol.
Vance Scmidt just recently won this years Bianchi Cup "Production" class using a (non-accurized) CZ SPO1 Shadow. I read on the CZ Forum that he also beat the steel shooters.
Angus Hobdell said on the CZ Forum he talked with Mr. Scmidt and the pistol shot 2.5" groups (stock) at 50 yds from a ransom rest.

http://www.nrahq.org/compete/natpdf/bianchi_12_final.pdf

C0untZer0
October 13, 2012, 11:29 PM
The Tanfoglio Gold Match looks like an awfully nice target pistol.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=173413&stc=1&d=1350181742

outerlimit
October 13, 2012, 11:38 PM
I'd go with the Sig P210. You probably would be hard pressed to go wrong with the Les Baer or STI either. The Browning Hi-Power, while one of my favorite guns, is not a target pistol.

Johnny Lightning
October 14, 2012, 09:19 AM
Nice PII robctwo! I do love the looks of the Les Baer 1911's! How has th PII ran for you and did you have Les put the fiber optic front sight on for you?

Halal Pork
October 14, 2012, 09:40 AM
I think STI pistols are ugly (which is as subjective as it gets) but my STI Trojan is about as slick as they come. My Hi Power is one I will never part with, but it isn't in the same ball park as far as refinement. I haven't used the other pistols. So STI gets my vote for range gun. Use the savings on magazines and more ammo.

Certaindeaf
October 14, 2012, 10:27 AM
I was kinda surprised to see the Hi-Power here too. It perhaps belongs here though because it was one of the first, if not the first, target sighted 9's.
As a carry/duty/service gun that also serves very well for range and field work because of its accuracy, I think it's in a class of its own.

Oh, I forgot, they make that Competition or something model HP.. never shot one of those.

GCBurner
October 14, 2012, 09:30 PM
I'd love a SIG P210, but it is way out of my price range. The most accurate 9mm target pistol I've personally shot if a friend's Glock 34.

Johnny Lightning
October 14, 2012, 09:41 PM
Yea the sig p210 even used is going to be hard to find for 2g.

SwampWolf
October 23, 2012, 05:36 PM
My vote has to be a write-in candidate because it's not on the "list": the Smith & Wesson Model 952 pistol.

hardluk1
October 23, 2012, 05:38 PM
Witness gold match

earplug
October 23, 2012, 06:07 PM
Much depends on your hand size for comfortable shooting.
I voted CZ 75, but the EAA match guns are highly rated.
For 2K consider a revolver set up with a red dot sight, plus a dedicated reloading press in 35 SPL.

SharpsDressedMan
October 23, 2012, 06:45 PM
Finally due to arrive in two days, after import (four month process), my 1952 SIG P210.......birthday gift to myself (60 years old this month). I already have two spare mags, and Kramer holster waiting. I really HOPE its more accurate than my other guns. :D http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/pix137843913.jpg

greyling22
October 23, 2012, 11:21 PM
xtrooper, a buddy of mine has one of those. he's got a hi-power, colt gold cup and a sig 226.

then, on my recommendation, he bought a cz75 tactical sport. It's similar to the tangfolio gold match and is like shooting a laser. he doesn't shoot anything else any more.

on a budget I like the cz75 style guns in single action. witness match or limited, cz75 SA.
if you spring for a witness, take a long look at hennings thin aluminum grips. they're spendy, but reduce the feel of the large frame tangfolio to cz dimensions.

jyo
October 24, 2012, 05:36 AM
I own a SIG P210-2 9mm pistol from the mid 80s---yeah, that thing shoots! I also bought one of SIGs 22 conversion units and a couple of extra mags for that as well as seven more mags for the 9mm. I like it as a 22 so much, it hasn't worn the 9mm top end for a dozen years! I have two other 9mm pistols that shoot really well---an HK P30S and a late production FN MK111 matte finish (with SFS system factory fitted) that shoots like a target pistol---probably the best P35 I've shot---and I've had several (still have three). Good luck with your choice!

Pilot
October 24, 2012, 08:31 AM
My totally stock MK III Browning Hi Power Silver Chrome with stock adjustable sights, factory Pachmyr grips and gold "pimp" trigger is my most accurate centerfire handgun. However, I am really jonesing for an SP-01 to go with my 75B, and PCR.

7mmb
October 24, 2012, 01:37 PM
The Witness Elite Match is as accurate as anything else out there and at around $600 OTD your budget would leave A LOT left over for A LOT of ammo. It takes the best of the SIG P210 and the Browning Hi-Power together and is hand tuned in Tanfoglio's custom shop. Best value target pistol out there and I can't imagine any of the other pricier pistols beating the one ragged hole groups I get with mine.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd224/mmb713/IMG_20110606_134650.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd224/mmb713/IMG_20110320_181233.jpg

BlindJustice
October 24, 2012, 06:15 PM
Other - I have a standard CZ 75B and it shoots better than I can.

O.P. how much shooting experience do you have?

Randall

JohnBT
October 24, 2012, 09:09 PM
I think they're all fine shooting guns.

I bought a new CZ-75B Military 12 years ago or so - one of the leftover Turkish contract guns - mostly because it was only $349 and came with two 15-rd mags.

Then I bought a BHP MkIII.
Then I bought a Sig X-5 TAC.
Then I bought a Swiss Army P210.

John

rpacker
October 29, 2012, 08:49 AM
CZ 75 SP01 ACCU Shadow
http://czcustom.com/cz75sp01accushadow.aspx

Johnny Lightning
October 29, 2012, 07:52 PM
Rpacker I just checked out the new accu shadow and it looks awesome! I wonder how it compares to the current shadow target. I am guessing the match stainless bushing should increase the accuracy.

Johnny Lightning
October 29, 2012, 08:07 PM
The current shadow target has a fully adjustable sight while the accu shadow has hajo sight which is elevation only. I really like fully adjustable sights so for the addition of the new bushing and short reset trigger at an increase of $400 just isnt worth it to me.

rpacker
October 30, 2012, 09:07 AM
Yeah, it's subjective for sure. Combined the bushing and short reset are a bit less to get done on my Shadow (which I'm having done now). The HAJO rear sight is supposed to be more reliable than the other style. I was told the side to side adjustment is the weak link. I don't think you could go wrong with the CZ SP01 Shadow Target though.

chriske
October 30, 2012, 11:42 AM
Having used and/or using several and varied types of 9mm autos , (Browning, CZ, Colt, S&W, Star, Jericho, SIG-Sauer, P-38Walther, P-08Luger, Lahti) without the slightest hesitation the SIG P-210 gets my vote.
(Forgot to mention Glock, H&K and Beretta)

Mikey Idaho
October 30, 2012, 01:18 PM
I don't need something flashy or super expensive, until I get a couple thousand hours of shooting and a million rounds or so behind me I don't see myself being more accurate than a long barrel competition version of the M&P, Glock, FNS or XD with trigger job and target sights. M&P9 Pro with full Apex Tactical trigger work and Sevigny sights would be my first choice.

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Morgo
October 30, 2012, 07:34 PM
Sig X-5 Allround
Used Sig p210
Browning Highpower
CZ SP01 Shadow Target
STI Trojan

I own all these. If your after real target performance then switch the Allround for the Competition and the BHP for the competition model or a custom BHP (the standard off the shelf BHP really is not all that great)

The top 3 would be the two Sigs and the Trojan and it really is hard to pick a winner between them as they will all shoot sub 1" groups at 25m.

Morgo
October 30, 2012, 07:35 PM
My idea of the ultimate 9x19 target pistol is the Heckler & Koch USP Match. If I could find one, I'd buy it! Unfortunately, they were discontinued in the late '90s. It's endorsed by "The Tomb Raider!" :D

http://www.hkpro.com/uspmatchtarget.jpg http://www.hkpro.com/uspmatchcroft.jpg

I have one and while its possibly still my favourite 9mm its far from the most accurate that I own.

Litlman
November 1, 2012, 05:57 PM
Other here. CZ 85 Combat. Shoots very well in my hands & others who have used it liked it.

Johnny Lightning
November 1, 2012, 07:43 PM
I am almost definitely going to purchase the shadow target due to that i can use it as a range/target pistol and also home defense. I figure it has a high cap mag, is know to be very reliable, i can mount a light on it for home defense, and i wont need to spend any extra money to set it up the way i will want it. Home defense wasn't in the cards when i started this thread but i dont really have a good hd pistol by my bed and i feel the shadow target will be perfect along with a great range pistol.

Shoot66
November 2, 2012, 08:10 AM
I voted for SIG P210. I am bias.

scythefwd
November 2, 2012, 08:49 AM
Johnny - just a small hint here.. the M92 can be converted to SAO. Its just changing the sear and hammer.

bc1023
November 3, 2012, 11:00 PM
I have pretty much all the high end 9mms. My favorite for range use is the S&W 952.

Dain Bramage
November 5, 2012, 11:40 AM
FN Competition or its clone, the FEG P9L, if you can find them.

jjjitters
November 5, 2012, 02:30 PM
I'd vote for the XDm 5.25/ trigger kit, I haven't shot a P210(someday) so can't compare.
I wouldn't get a Beretta, they take $$$ just to get to shoot good and a reasonable trigger, plus try and sell them, I have several and have to give them away, nobody wants them.

bc1023
November 6, 2012, 11:53 AM
Here are some of my high end target 9mms from Sig, S&W, Korth, Wolf, Sphinx, HK, and Pardini.

I actually shoot the S&W 952 the best, I believe.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/031.jpg





As far as 1911s are concerned, I only buy them in 45ACP. Its just my preference. :)

dondavis3
November 6, 2012, 11:58 AM
@ bc1023

Nice collection

:cool:

bc1023
November 6, 2012, 12:00 PM
Thank you sir

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