Question for the country boys


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Saddlebag Preacher
October 10, 2012, 04:34 PM
I'm not discriminating against the city folks, but their carry handgun requirements may be different.

How many of you may change and carry a different handgun according to what you are doing?

I just thought about this because I just got done bushhogging and have on my Ruger NV .45 in a merkle highrise holster. It's cool today, so I can put on my denim jacket to go get some diesel fuel and stay ccw, but have it in the field if I need it.

If I have on my coveralls, I have a Uberti .45 sheriff (no ejector) birdshead that fits in my right pocket perfectly.

This summer when it was so hot, my town gun is a KelTec PF-9 in a pocket holster, cargo pants or shorts, or Levi Dockers.

My Glock 22 is for when I can wear a coat or suit and for trips to the big city.It is also my bedside gun because it has a light and laser on it. (Dark out here)

During squrriel hunting (until it get colder), I have a .22 Single Action I carry with the full brass crimped snake loads just in case old copper is around.

So I realized I may change and carry 2 or more different guns in one day according to what the day brings.

Can anyone relate?

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LordDunsany
October 10, 2012, 05:26 PM
I live in town but also have a place in the country. In general I CC a 9mm in town for defense against two-legged critters. At the farm or out hunting I generally carry a heavy revolver - GP100 or Ruger Vaquero in 45 Colt. The handgun is part of my country uniform regardless of the activity. If I need to run to town I just cover it up.

Generally I prefer heavier armament in the outdoors, but will still carry a .38 or 9mm now and then.

Ronaldo

silicosys4
October 10, 2012, 06:03 PM
Us rural boys are more used to using handguns as the multipurpose tool they are, and can appreciate carrying a gun that's suited for what we need it for at the time.....
while a lot of people have one for one purpose: to protect themselves from an aggressive and dangerous human attacker.
As such, a .22 pistol might be just the cats meow for backpacking or hiking...I love a good "kit gun", or camping gun
while for others it is the worst possible because they need a "combat" worthy handgun. Most "combat" handguns usually aren't suited for any of the roles really well filled by the "kit" gun.
As the technology advances, the two genres (combat handguns and "kit" or hiking/hunting handguns) have drifted far apart as each has become more specialized, and with the exception of a few, mostly revolvers, most handguns aren't really suited to doing both.

I'll always have a pm40 on me or in my car... that said, this last year I've also carried
a 1911, for that coyote I kept seeing while driving up and down the driveway
a ruger mkIII for grouse season

I try not to have a "gun of the day" for any kind of social gun...I would prefer familiarity over style

Texan Scott
October 10, 2012, 06:23 PM
I have nothing against swapping out long guns at need... having the right long gun makes keeping a favorite 38 for all "secondary" applications easy and acceptable in my mind.

Lawdawg45
October 11, 2012, 07:00 AM
I'm with ya Preacher, especially now in Deer season. My hunting takes me to the deep woods of Southern Indiana, and my Vaquero Sheriff's model is on my hip, along with my Henry rifle or shotgun in the truck. I either carry a J frame at other times or a 1911 as the situation dictates, but never feel outgunned with the old SA.;)

LD

mavracer
October 11, 2012, 07:18 AM
I always have my pocket gun. But will add something to my belt whenever I feel the need and yes it changes quite often as I'll grab whatever tool I think I'm likely to use.
I don't worry a whole lot about getting caught with the wrong tool, I'm pretty good at improvising.

iblong
October 11, 2012, 08:32 AM
I dont switch out that much any more used use my 4" 357 for woods walking
durring the hunting season,Now I use what I carry summer its a compact 1911
winter its a government modle.I do add a truck gun which is either my marlin 982vs 22 mag bolt gun or my Mini 14 under the back seat one or the other stays there untill spring.

460Kodiak
October 11, 2012, 09:57 AM
Different tools for different locations, different clothing, and different possible threats.

Yes, I carry different guns at different times.

1911 guy
October 11, 2012, 11:35 AM
Here in N.E. Ohio we don't have the hog or other larger critters that plague some of the southern and western states. I carry either my normal (1911) and vary the holster or switch to a .22 revolver if doing odd chores and think I might run across small critters that need to be shot.

loose noose
October 11, 2012, 11:36 AM
Here in Southern Nevada, we had a really hot summer, so mostly I carried my very compact .380, in which I shoot the Hornady Critical defense. I also have a American Derringer in .38 double action, which fits nicely into cargo shorts, again Critical Defense ammo. However when the weather gets cool I carry my Colt .45acp on my hip, or my Springfield XD in .40 on my shoulder holster. I live out in the boonies so I have plenty of time to become proficient with all of them, which is of the utmost importance.;)

Vern Humphrey
October 11, 2012, 12:12 PM
I live about 13 miles by road out of town. That includes 3.5 miles of county road, 0.6 miles of a common road I share with one other family and 1/4 miles of private drive.

I will typically carry one of three hand guns:

A Kimber Custom Classic .45 in a tuckable holster I made myself.

A Colt Woodsman made in 1938

A Colt New Service in .45 Colt made in 1906

The latter two are carried when hiking or riding in the woods.

Mobuck
October 11, 2012, 08:33 PM
My regular "chore gun" is a Ruger 22/45 stls carried in an over-the-shoulder bandalero holster. Easy on or off and not in the way most of the time. Starting with firearms deer season, I'll be packing either a 6" GP100 crossdraw or 4 5/8" Super Blackhawk in a flapped strong side. None of these would be a first choice CCW handgun but all would do the job if needed.
I live in an open carry state so a trip to town is not a problem with any of those mentioned.

Mykey
October 11, 2012, 08:43 PM
Been carrying a Glock 36 everywhere. I just recently purchased a Kahr CM9 that i will be carrying as my conceal carry weapon as soon as i put it through the recommended break in period and the Glock will be mainly for home defense. When working on deer stands or fishing i carry a 357 mag with a 6" barrel for snakes.

R.W.Dale
October 11, 2012, 08:49 PM
^ funny you should mention a g36

I had been using one as a dual purpose role but could never get comfortable carrying its shape.

So earlier in the week I decided to revert back to my 905 9mm revolver for social stuff and trade the glock in on something more outdoors suited.

I ended up with a scandium s&w 386xl

30 oz (feels lighter gotta weigh)
6' barrel
7 shots
357 mag

Rides on my hip like pure happy and conceales surprisingly well




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Captcurt
October 11, 2012, 09:13 PM
My carry guns get changed about as often as my socks.

montanaoffroader
October 11, 2012, 09:44 PM
If I'm hiking up around the Front, it's a Super Blackhawk .44 Mag. Down in the Little Belts, a King Cobra or a 22/45. Around town a Makarov 9x18.

David E
October 11, 2012, 09:46 PM
My carry guns get changed about as often as my socks.

That seems like a silly thing to do.......unless you have really gnarly socks.

RaceM
October 11, 2012, 09:50 PM
My usual carry is a .38, but i wanna downsize to a .22 convertible with the extra cylinder in its own belt pouch. The .38's a bit much for varmint blasting at need (just popped a raccoon in the shop the other day). For out at the farm in the deep boonies I won't settle for less than my 6" GP100 on my hip or in a shoulder rig. Car/truck gun would be the .38 full of hollow points.

msrfrog
October 11, 2012, 10:28 PM
not yet having my ccw for the peoples republic of new york but I have a plan for when I get mine.
there are alot of bears around me so I will need some thing for that..40 cal ?cz or m&P OR BERSA
and a .22 for fun SR22

tarosean
October 11, 2012, 11:26 PM
Around the farm, it's just an old Ruger Single Six (22mag)..I don't have any man eating beasts in my neck of the woods to worry about while mending fences, etc.

Trip to town, Colt Commander.

Ridgerunner665
October 11, 2012, 11:29 PM
I carry 1 pistol in the same holster...always...its a G36.

TAKtical
October 11, 2012, 11:33 PM
I live in a big city but I always carry a full size 1911 or a glock 17. Both conceal really well. I always carry IWB.

huntsman
October 11, 2012, 11:39 PM
Can anyone relate?

I have an LCP in the pocket whether I'm drinking coffee in my bathrobe or outside doing stuff. Sometimes when I head out the backdoor for the woods I'll strap on a .45 but that the only change for me.

TexAg
October 12, 2012, 12:37 AM
I'm always toting something down to my chicken barn when I close them up at night, usually loaded with a round or two of rat shot mostly to shoot...rats of all things! I've used a Glock 36, Old Vaquero in .45 Colt, 6" Stainless GP 100 and a Single Six with the .22 mag cylinder in. I like toting the Vaq or GP the most though. I've got a shotgun, AR and a Marlin in .22 mag up at the house if I see a coyote or other pest in the field (the AR is set up with light and an illuminated scope for night shots if needed).

R. W. Dale, I'm now checking out the 386xl, thanks! How's the accuracy?

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2012, 01:58 AM
R. W. Dale, I'm now checking out the 386xl, thanks! How's the accuracy?


Ill know in about 12 hours





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Saddlebag Preacher
October 12, 2012, 01:17 PM
Great response folks, appreciate the info on what you carry and locations.

I live in an open carry state. Kentucky, but it's surprising how I never really see anyone anymore doing it. At one time, before CCW became legal in the '90's you'd see it way out in the country, but most were long guns in rifle racks. Now, seems plenty have CCW and carry, but no open anyore.

I'm retired LEO so I've carried all my life and feel naked without one, so I never lost the habit. I actually would like to see more open just to keep the public acclimated, but the PC world is invading the country also. Sometime the UPS or FED=X guy's eyes get a little big when I step out to get a package and have my gun on. :what:

I was helped by an open carry guy one night many moons ago at 3:00 in the morning, so I really talk up the 2nd amendment.

But..back on topic, I like seeing what state and what is used for all pests, 2 and 4 legged. :)

Vern Humphrey
October 12, 2012, 01:22 PM
I actually would like to see more open just to keep the public acclimated
I agree with you. It does the cause good for people to get used to seeing guns.

Arkansas is not an open carry state, although we have a very good Shall-Issue law for concealed carry.

My State Senator is my doctor's wife and I have worked hard to get her elected. She'll support open carry.

And if and when it passes, I'll start open carrying my Colt New Service, the largest revolver Colt ever made, around town.

asia331
October 13, 2012, 01:00 AM
Just answered a similar question on another thread. For me in town; 1911 .45 ACP JHP's. In the field trail walks, hunting, fishing; 4 "GP-100 .357 158gr hard cast flat points. Both always backed-up with an SP101 with .38+p JHP's onboard.

Renegade Ziggy
October 13, 2012, 01:56 AM
Live in Kentucky, during the humid months I carry either a Ruger sr9c in a IWB or a Ruger lc9 in a pocket holster. During jacket weather and hunting I carry my Glock 22 which is also my bedside pistol of choice.

I don't have an issue with open carry, my state allows it. What I can't stand is untrained citizens openly carrying a firearm, it's a danger to people around them. But I won't get on my soap box tonight.

Lawdawg45
October 13, 2012, 07:52 AM
Live in Kentucky, during the humid months I carry either a Ruger sr9c in a IWB or a Ruger lc9 in a pocket holster. During jacket weather and hunting I carry my Glock 22 which is also my bedside pistol of choice.

I don't have an issue with open carry, my state allows it. What I can't stand is untrained citizens openly carrying a firearm, it's a danger to people around them. But I won't get on my soap box tonight.

I don't disagree with that comment at all, just wondering what sends the red flag to you as you look at civilians and make the conclusion that they're "untrained"?:o

LD

treg
October 13, 2012, 08:55 AM
My Taurus M605 is my "go to town" (work) gun - easily hidden, slips in pocket, there if you need it. Generally I switch to either the Buckmark or BH .44 Special for around the farm and horseback riding. Sometimes OC sometimes CC especially when doing dirty / dusty work. Hard cast FP or LSWC bullets get the job done on vermin etc and keep the cost down when a shootin session breaks out.

However I have recently found that the Ruger SR40c is quite an all around gun. With its durable adjustable sights and good accuracy it is easily "minute of coyote" out to 50 yards. Maybe more, just haven't tested it yet. It's size helps keep it from being in the way when working and riding. It has been utterly reliable with hard cast LSWC bullets which are loaded very close ballisticly to my fave .44 Spl loads.

MachIVshooter
October 13, 2012, 10:04 AM
How many of you may change and carry a different handgun according to what you are doing?

I do, but seemingly the opposite of what most are doing. I up-arm when going to the city, where the chances of actually needing a firearm for defense are increased. We just don't really have violent crime out here.

Renegade Ziggy
October 13, 2012, 03:49 PM
I don't disagree with that comment at all, just wondering what sends the red flag to you as you look at civilians and make the conclusion that they're "untrained"?


I don't want to get to far away from the OP here but I can usually pick people out of a crowd that are military, law enforcement or trained civilians, usually by how they carry themselves alone. I'm sure a lot of the other members of THR that are current/ex military or law enforcement can do the same, you kinda just know what to look for. I'm sure I've misjudged people before (it happens), but I try to go by this way of thinking..if your openly carrying a firearm in a crowded mall and your not trained..I feel as though your putting me and my family at risk in that area. Plus I live in eastern Kentucky, trust me, you can tell if big hoss carrying the 44 mag that hangs down to his shins is trained or not :D There's many people in my area, who carry for the sake of carrying, and they will be the first to admit that they never go to the range or practice SD drills. It's a bit unnerving.

Sorry for going left field OP.

David E
October 13, 2012, 05:12 PM
if your (sic) openly carrying a firearm in a crowded mall and your (sic) not trained..I feel as though your (sic) putting me and my family at risk...

Fortunately, you didn't help draft the Second Amendment. What kind of training? How much is sufficient? How often? Who sets the standards?

There's (sic) many people in my area, who carry for the sake of carrying, and they will be the first to admit that they never go to the range or practice...

See above, especially the "how often" part. Many cops wouldn't train unless the department required it. Yet, despite all these "untrained" folks walking around with guns, there doesn't seem to be a problem.

To the OP, when I lived on a farm, I always had a pistol on me. Police response time, if they could even find the place, didn't inspire confidence. Caliber was usually .40 or .45. Only thing I had to kill on the spot was an opossum that didn't look or act too friendly. Used a Kahr K-40 for that.

Saddlebag Preacher
October 13, 2012, 05:18 PM
That's OK, I Live in Central KY and understand between the two. Like I said, open carry is almost unseen around here now, unless you actually go see someone working on their property. But, I know a few are CCW if you know what to look for. I know two ladies in our church who have a purse protector. One is a Springfield XD .45 compact..

I just like showing my wife I ain't the only one who "needs" more than one handgun for different purposes..:D

Renegade Ziggy
October 13, 2012, 05:36 PM
Fortunately, you didn't help draft the Second Amendment. What kind of training? How much is sufficient? How often? Who sets the standards?

Sigh...:scrutiny: People IN MY AREA consider a ccdw class or spending 2 hours on a range all the training they need, obviously I'm not speaking for everyone here. If your going to openly carry in crowded areas you need to train to be accurate in crowds, you need to train your mind how to handle and perceive threats, you need to train to stay calm in high stress situations, you need to train on proper firearm handling and technique, you need to familiarize yourself with your weapon, you need to know how to prevent gun grabs, you need to train how to handle multiple BG's..should I continue?

How much is sufficient and how often? I believe if your on a range once a week at least and put in over 3 hours your doing good. And I'm not talking about standing there in one position shooting at the same target all day, I'm talking drills and the works.

Who sets the standards? The people who are carrying need to be the ones setting the standards.

See above, especially the "how often" part. Many cops wouldn't train unless the department required it. Yet, despite all these "untrained" folks walking around with guns, there doesn't seem to be a problem.

I see LEO all that time that aren't familiar with their weapons, take what happened in New York for instance. I guess me and you must be watching and reading up on different news channels and stories, because I see instances all the time of untrained people carrying weapons and something stupid happening. If your going to be a LEO, you need to constantly be on the range training, my towns department does..why can't others?

I'll end this left field topic with this one question. Why are you drilling me about what I said? I would assume untrained people carrying DANGEROUS weapons would be a frightening issue. I for one would hate for a untrained person to have their weapon stripped and used against them or my family, or for that person to get jittery and shoot at a BG, and instead hit me, my family, or an innocent bystander. It happens quite often, it's our job as trained citizens to train the ones who aren't. America and the media always have their eyes on gun owners, just waiting for us to mess up.:confused:

Lawdawg45
October 13, 2012, 05:38 PM
I don't want to get to far away from the OP here but I can usually pick people out of a crowd that are military, law enforcement or trained civilians, usually by how they carry themselves alone. I'm sure a lot of the other members of THR that are current/ex military or law enforcement can do the same, you kinda just know what to look for. I'm sure I've misjudged people before (it happens), but I try to go by this way of thinking..if your openly carrying a firearm in a crowded mall and your not trained..I feel as though your putting me and my family at risk in that area. Plus I live in eastern Kentucky, trust me, you can tell if big hoss carrying the 44 mag that hangs down to his shins is trained or not :D There's many people in my area, who carry for the sake of carrying, and they will be the first to admit that they never go to the range or practice SD drills. It's a bit unnerving.

Sorry for going left field OP.

Again, I don't necessarily disagree, but the people who worry me the most are some on this forum who routinely practice for a 100 yard pistol shot to be the hero in an active shooter scenario. Those tactards scare the hell out of me, but not so much the bubba who's been hunting all his life but with no "official" training.;)

LD

Renegade Ziggy
October 13, 2012, 05:42 PM
I know two ladies in our church who have a purse protector.

Quite a few members of my church carry also, while in church might I add. You gotta watch out for those little old ladies with the 38 tucked away where God only knows :D

Those tactards scare the hell out of me, but not so much the bubba who's been hunting all his life but with no "official" training

I gotta agree, they need to realize just how close a shooting usually takes place. And I would rather bubba have been a hunter all his life then have no experience at all.

Vern Humphrey
October 13, 2012, 05:42 PM
..if your openly carrying a firearm in a crowded mall and your not trained..I feel as though your putting me and my family at risk in that area
As I have pointed out many times, training is a solution. Before you advocate a solution, you should have a problem. And in the ideal world, there should be some relationship between problem and solution.

Now several states (Alaska, Vermont and Arizona, to name three) require no training at all to carry openly or concealed. Do these states have higher accident rates than states with training requirements?

No, they don't -- hence there is no problem, and no need for a solution.

Renegade Ziggy
October 13, 2012, 05:52 PM
No, they don't -- hence there is no problem, and no need for a solution.

So your saying there isn't a problem with shootings in America or around the world this day and age. How about when a eastern Kentucky man took a 223 and 3 revolvers with over 500 rounds of ammunition and tried to run down President Obama's motorcade a few weeks back. That individual lives 30 minutes away from me, is a sever schitzo, and is out of jail. But I guess I'm imagining all that, there's no need for concern in this day and age.

TexAg
October 13, 2012, 06:17 PM
Nice of you to lump law abiding citizens in with crackpots.

Vern Humphrey
October 13, 2012, 06:18 PM
So your saying there isn't a problem with shootings in America or around the world this day and age.
There isn't a problem with accidental shootings (and surely you don't think training is the solution to deliberate shootings?)

The accident rate for firearms is so low that if it weren't so political, it wouldn't be reported at all, just lumped under "other." More people die from drowning, falling off ladders and so on than from accidental gunshot wounds.

David E
October 13, 2012, 07:23 PM
. Why are you drilling me about what I said?

Because your view isn't dissimilar to that of the anti-gunner and it's equally flawed. It's a very slippery slope you're treading upon. What's scary is you don't realize it.

David E
October 13, 2012, 08:42 PM
I guess you was under a rock during the Colorado shootings, etc, etc...

But...if he was......trained....it would've been ok??

there's no need for concern in this day and age.

Sure there is. Incidents like these confirm why many of us choose to carry a gun.

Renegade Ziggy
October 13, 2012, 11:09 PM
I believe people are misconstruing what I'm saying along with twisting my words, so let me make myself clear and we can be finished with this ignorant conversation. I believe the American people should have every right to own, and carry, open or concealed, a firearm. I'm a member of our armed forces and I would die in a heartbeat to protect our second amendment.

Let me make myself more clear so my words can't be twisted, IF that person is going to take the great responsibility of carrying a firearm upon themselves, concealed or open, if they choose to carry a firearm amongst the masses, then in my ever loving opinion, it is their job to train themselves to be as good of a shooter as they can be. If their carrying a firearm in crowded areas, whether they like it or not, and whether you people arguing with me like it or not, if they choose to use that weapon their responsible for our well being also.

You guys can't sit there with a straight face and tell me you don't see anything wrong with a person carrying a firearm open or concealed, who hasn't had proper training. Yes, I know people do it, yes I know you don't have to have training blah blah blah, so what? It's foolish, ignorant and dangerous for a person to carry a firearm and not know what their doing.

All I'm saying is I believe people should take it upon themselves to have more training if their going to carry. It's simple. How is that anti-guns? How is what I'm saying a issue to you people?

Also were not discussing accidental shootings, were discussing individuals not being properly trained and having their firearm removed from them by a BG, or shooting a innocent bystander while they were trying to save the day knowing full well that they aren't properly trained for that. I see that a lot of you are breaking up what i'm saying into certain quotes, making me out to be some sort of anti-gun person, not sure why you are. :confused: But it's ignorant. And your only making yourselves look more ignorant by trying to continue a pointless fight. I come here to discuss and be informed, not fight.

One more thing, instead of breaking up what I'm saying, and reading only what YOU WANT TO READ, try SLOWLY reading all of my text. You'll hopefully realize what I'm talking about. Good day to all of you.

David E
October 13, 2012, 11:21 PM
IF that person is going to take the great responsibility of carrying a firearm upon themselves... it is their job to train themselves to be as good of a shooter as they can be.

Agreed. Getting training is a great idea. But it shouldn't be a requirement.

I wonder how many of your gun toting church ladies would "qualify" under your guidelines.

MachIVshooter
October 14, 2012, 02:24 AM
So your saying there isn't a problem with shootings in America or around the world this day and age. I guess you was under a rock during the Colorado shootings, or the recent New York incident involving the disgruntled ex-employee, how about when a eastern Kentucky man took a 223 and 3 revolvers with over 500 rounds of ammunition and tried to run down President Obama's motorcade a few weeks back. That individual lives 30 minutes away from me, is a sever schitzo, and is out of jail. But I guess I'm imagining all that, there's no need for concern in this day and age.

Sniff, sniff................If I wasn't sitting at my desk, I'd swear I was under a bridge...........

Renegade Ziggy
October 14, 2012, 10:55 AM
Sniff, sniff................If I wasn't sitting at my desk, I'd swear I was under a bridge...........

Your sarcasm is noted, and has no place in this conversation.

Agreed. Getting training is a great idea. But it shouldn't be a requirement.

I wonder how many of your gun toting church ladies would "qualify" under your guidelines.

I think it should be a requirement, at least for the ccdw classes to have more hands on training. It's like people think I'm going against the 2nd amendment here just because I'm saying this one thing. It's odd..:scrutiny:

Well for a matter of fact, one of them has extensive training with firearms. The others, well who knows? I'm not very sure what guidelines I've put down, but what is the issue with people having more training?

R.W.Dale
October 14, 2012, 11:11 AM
Until we can get extensive training required to operate a 4000lb rolling death machine on public roadways requiring training to walk around with a gun is pretty low on my priorities.

Everyone in that hypothetical mall could be packing with no more instructions than a 1 HR ccw class and you and your family would still be in far far more mortal danger walking to your vehicle in the parking lot from other motorists




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allaroundhunter
October 14, 2012, 11:16 AM
I can definitely relate. But it typically is not my sidearm that changes, it is the longarm that I have with me. Either a 12 ga or an AR, depending on how I feel, and it does change several times each day.

My M&P 9mm is what stays on my hip 99% of the time.

David E
October 14, 2012, 12:18 PM
I think it should be a requirement,

I don't. Is it a good idea? Absolutely. Tell me, what other inalienable rights require training before you can exercise them?

people think I'm going against the 2nd amendment here just because I'm saying this one thing. It's odd..:scrutiny:

What's odd is that you don't see the huge can of worms you want to open. To repeat: who sets the standard? To spell it out more for you, let's say the anti-gun crowd (who are art enough to not call themselves that, understand they can't repeal concealed carry in your state, so instead, they try to regulate it "for the safety of the children." they'll cite some shooting where no CCW license holders were involved and recruit you, a "pro-gunner for responsible carry," to pitch their shtick. "You should have enough training to put your bullets where they should go, etc. it's the responsible thing to do." The law passes, thanks in part to your tireless efforts. The antis set the qualification standard high, after setting an exorbitant fee for this extra "responsible training." Fewer people want to cough up the money, fewer still are able to pass. Those that do must prove they maintain their proficiency by practicing once a week shooting 100 rds of factory ammo. Then, in one year, they'll need to recertify at another high priced "class" that inexplicably raised the qualification standard.

It's an old tactic of the antis: don't be against something, just make it cost more or make it more of a hassle than people think its worth.

but what is the issue with people having more training?

The issue is, you want to REQUIRE it

Renegade Ziggy
October 14, 2012, 12:46 PM
Brother I'm just a hard working country boy that thinks everyone should have guns and everyone should be trained with them. That's all..everyone CALM down lol. I'm not big brother trying to take away your guns. I understand where you all are coming from and I will agree. But I still stand behind my thinking that CCDW classes need to be more hands on and SD oriented and that people should bring it upon themselves to get better. I started a thread in the legal forums if anyone wants to continue this discussion (God I hope not).

MachIVshooter
October 14, 2012, 01:42 PM
Your sarcasm is noted, and has no place in this conversation.

It wasn't sarcasm. No, no; It was definitely an accusation. New member, low post count and spouting anti rhetoric is a big 'ol flag.

If you fancy yourself a moderate who believes in "reasonable gun control measures", you'll have to look elsewhere for an agreeable audience. THR promotes responsible gun ownership in the true spirit of the second amendment.

David E
October 14, 2012, 02:02 PM
I'm not big brother trying to take away your guns.

No, you're just a guy that would help facilitate that under the guise of so-called "responsibility". :rolleyes:

David E
October 14, 2012, 02:05 PM
Back to the topic!

One thing that I garnered from my years on the farm is that for a gun to be used at a moments notice (as on the aforementioned possum) it needs to be handy, as in, on your person. This is where comfort collides with power, mandating compromises.

Renegade Ziggy
October 14, 2012, 03:40 PM
No, you're just a guy that would help facilitate that under the guise of so-called "responsibility".

And you are a very ignorant man pretending to know so much, that's fine, you go on and believe that no one should have any training what so ever to carry a firearm and I'll believe the opposite. We both already know who's right don't we. :rolleyes: Have a good one pal.

For the record I've yet to have anyone explain to me what the issue is with having ccdw contain more training then what is offered now. The untrained people must be those of you having an issue in this thread. Hmmmm..

David E
October 14, 2012, 04:51 PM
For the record I've yet to have anyone explain to me......

Multiple people have tried to in this thread, but you won't have any of it.

You have repeatedly failed to answer my simple question: "Who gets to set the standard?"

You remind me of the 1971 Earth Day Pogo comic strip: "We have met the enemy......and he is us!"

Vern Humphrey
October 14, 2012, 05:14 PM
You guys can't sit there with a straight face and tell me you don't see anything wrong with a person carrying a firearm open or concealed, who hasn't had proper training.
So show us the problem!

Show us where states that allow open carry with no training have more accidental shootings than states that require training.

doc2rn
October 14, 2012, 05:40 PM
Where I grew up, between Topeka and Auburn Kansas, I always carried a 30-30 Winchester in the truck. Nowadays I wouldn't be caught without my S&W mod 10 on my hip at the very least. Old faithful is right there too, but the times they are a changing.

You guys can't sit there with a straight face and tell me you don't see anything wrong with a person carrying a firearm open or concealed, who hasn't had proper training.

We all had to start somewhere. I like open carry and invite everyone coming over to visit to do so.

Vern Humphrey
October 14, 2012, 05:42 PM
When I was a boy on the old Circle H Ranch, I carried a .30-30 in the saddle boot every day. I shot many a deer, coyote, feral dog and many another critter with that Winchester.

wrs840
October 14, 2012, 06:10 PM
Pardon me for ignoring the side squabble re: "training".

Yes, I carry full-sized or mid-sized autos in the paved world, and almost always switch to a revolver on the farm. S&W 637 2-1/2"bbl in my pocket at minimum, M64 3" in a pancake as a favorite, M65 3" sometimes. If I'm going deep woods, it's probably a 4" M64 or a Rossi 971, because these are wonderfully functional and serve the purpose. Farm/woods long-guns for truck and tractor-cabs tend to be Marlin 336s with peeps, Mossberg pumps, and/or Mini-14s for varmint control.

There's a pinned-barrel 3" S&W M36 IWB on me right now, because it's new to me, and feels about right for Sunday night typing-on-a-computer duty.

David E
October 14, 2012, 06:52 PM
When afield, as opposed to on the farm, when I'm not expecting to do any specific shooting, my main concern is 2-legged threats, so it's never below 9mm/.357 for me as an only gun.

Dang, I need to get out in the woods!

grock5k
October 14, 2012, 09:52 PM
I always carry my S&W Bodyguard .380 in a de Santos pocket holster. I have my 1911 by the nightstand and I carry it IWB when I head to the city. When im out in the woods I carry my Sig Mosquito to plink and squirrels and other things.

Malamute
October 14, 2012, 10:57 PM
I'll carry lighter guns and calibers when not up on the mountain. This is all relative, lighter is 44 spl (Smith 24) instead of mag, or 45 Colt Ruger with standardish level loads instead of stouter ones. Bears have expanded their range and can be literally anywhere, just not very likely in the open country, at least in the daytime, and not so much in the middle of winter, Still, no guarantees, just what's more likely,....bears have been seen in broad daylight in the open country, and in the middle of winter. Nobody bothered to tell the bears what the rules are, so they just do whatever they want to. Not much real trouble with them, but things have happened. A few people mugged, a few killed. Pays to pay attention, and be prepared.

The 44 spl has some Keith loads either in it or handy if I have lighter level loads in it.

Art Eatman
October 14, 2012, 10:58 PM
Yes, training is desirable, but that's not the topic of this thread. The topic has to do with your selection of a carry-gun with varying circumstance.

If you want to argue training and all that, take it to PM or Email.

SouthernYankee
October 14, 2012, 11:23 PM
Always got a Beretta .22lr in my pocket & two bull mastiffs behind me, around the house, property or maybe quick trip into town. If I go to one of the local cities (hour or so away) I always CC a Kimber .45 and maybe my border terrier.

hso
October 29, 2012, 09:04 PM
It happens quite often

No, it doesn't. The Department of Justice and CDC statistics for shootings show no such "problem". Being afraid of something doesn't actually make it a problem. It is a problem when there is a statistically significant risk of it happening.

Dragging unrelated mass shootings into a debate about open carry "problems" is a sophomoric red herring that only makes you appear to have no grasp on the topic or willfully trying to distract from the unsupported argument you're presenting.

Most people owning and carrying firearms in this country have zero training. Should they get training in how to use a firearm? Certainly they should. Do they need to just so they can carry? No and there is no data that indicates they represent a threat to you or me enough to force this training. The vast majority of defensive firearms uses don't ever result in someone being shot, much less someone being shot inadvertently.

You've taken a personal concern that has motivated you to train and turned it into a fear of others that haven't. That isn't a public safety problem even though it has become a personal problem for you.

thecarfarmer
October 29, 2012, 09:50 PM
City boy chiming in...

...leaving aside political questions, my EDC is a Glock 21. And, I go hiking most weekends, when I carry my... G21.

For what it's worth, I have a CPL, WA is an open carry state, (but here on the west side of the state, it's a recipe for meeting cops). The gun prints some, even under untucked mechanics' shirts - I don't really care much. It could just as easily be a holstered VOM or insulin pump.

We have some bear in the foothills of the Cascades and Olympics, but I usually hike in fairly well-traveled areas; we have some coyotes and cats, too. I'm much more likely to meet 2 legged vermin than 4, so I don't worry about carrying more than my .45.

Now, BTTT for the OP's worthy question...

-Bill

thecarfarmer
October 29, 2012, 09:51 PM
...

I try not to have a "gun of the day" for any kind of social gun...I would prefer familiarity over style


Quoted For Truth!

-Bill

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