K31 or Winchester 88?


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ercnjasmine
October 10, 2012, 06:17 PM
Christmas time is coming and I have a K31 or a Winchester 88 (.308) that the wife has given the go ahead on.

Same price for both +/- $50.00.
K31
-numbers matching
-refinished walnut
-1 mag

Winchester 88
-.308
-comes with fixed redfield (4x, i think)
-1 mag
-stock could use strip down and refinish, blueing is still beautiful

Which would you take and why?

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wyohome
October 10, 2012, 10:44 PM
K31
I already have a first year 88

montanaoffroader
October 10, 2012, 10:47 PM
My vote goes the Winchester 88, mainly becuase I'm a sucker for lever guns. The .308 chambering is also a plus as ammo is available pretty much anywhere.

Dentite
October 10, 2012, 10:51 PM
Two quite different rifles. Similar power round but two very different ways to send rounds downrange.

Hard to say which you should buy...it depends on what the intended uses are and what other rifles you have.

If you are a milsurp collector and don't have a K31 I would recommend it. Although if you are a real purist collector you might want to hold out for one with a non-refinished stock.

If you like classic hunting rifles/lever action then the 88 would be the choice.

If you are going to own them both eventually, go for the better deal or better condition.

meanmrmustard
October 11, 2012, 07:24 AM
K31. IME, they are robust, accurate, and fast to fire and reload. And accurate, plus accurate. Subjectively, I find them gorgeous. And accurate.

German soldiers passing through Switzerland (a neutral nation, of course) noticed the drilling of the Swiss militia, exhibiting fine, disciplined soldiers with remarkably accurate fire. Seeing this, the German CO asked of the Swiss militia commander, "If Germany was to occupy this land, invade, what would your country do? We outnumber you 2 to 1!"

The Swiss militiaman thinks about it for a moment.

"We shoot twice, then go home."

Scrumbag
October 11, 2012, 07:37 AM
I'd go what you want to use it for.

Range rifle: Go Swiss

Hunting rifle: 88

(You can get some good hunting ammo for the 7.5x55 over here in Europe but am not sure on US supplies).

Whatever you choose, enjoy your shooting.

ATB,

Scrummy

d2wing
October 11, 2012, 10:35 AM
Winchester 88. I've seen one shot kills on running deer at 400 yards with one. For the same money no question. Get the Winney. The k31 is a fine rifle but I can't think of a reason it would have the value of the 88.

HoosierQ
October 11, 2012, 10:47 AM
Winchester 88 for sure. Finding ammo for the K31 will be an never-ending pain unless you're a reloader I guess and it's kind of hard to reload when you're out and about a might run out. With a .308 you can buy ammo at a Walmart if need be.

Plus the Winchester 88 is a fantastic gun and your friends and acquaintances will forever envy you. Serious "wanna see a really cool gun I've got?" material there. Get a K31 later. There are going to many more of those extant and they'll always be moving around. 88's were never as numerous and they're going to be keepers.

atblis
October 11, 2012, 10:48 AM
I have both. I say get the K31 now. Winchester 88 values aren't going to change. They are a classic, but they're not in the same league as pre 1900 lever guns. Demand and supply are both stagnant on the 88. K31s will go up in price.

That being said,

K31 is a $250 to $300 gun (for now). If you can get a Winchester 88 in nice shape for $350, jump on it. You're either overpaying for a K31, or have found a very good deal on an 88. If it's an earlier 88, even more so.

adelbridge
October 11, 2012, 04:05 PM
what year is the 88? pre 64 is a no brainer. Dont alter the 88 if you buy it.

stalkingbear
October 11, 2012, 04:20 PM
Unless you're a reloader I'd go with the win 88 by all means. Have you priced good ammo (7.5 swiss) lately?

EmbarkChief
October 11, 2012, 05:05 PM
I'd get the K31 now and the 88 later. K31's will most likely only go up in price. The ammo isn't too bad, right around $0.40 per round for match grade surplus and readily avialable.

gpurp
October 11, 2012, 05:17 PM
I just got my first K31 a few weeks back. Next will be the dies and powder. Will reload for it right along with my K98. If you're into milsurp rifles and reloading then go K31.

Cosmoline
October 11, 2012, 05:18 PM
Same price for both

I do like the K31, but if you can get a Win 88 for the same price (I'm assuming under $350) go for it! Those are arguably the best leverguns ever made.

meanmrmustard
October 11, 2012, 06:24 PM
Unless you're a reloader I'd go with the win 88 by all means. Have you priced good ammo (7.5 swiss) lately?
Yup. No more than quality range/hunting ammo for many popular calibers. My LGS, at a mere 3miles away, carries several flavors now.

Swampman
October 11, 2012, 09:19 PM
I've never fired a K-31 with a bad trigger.
I've never fired an M88 with a trigger better than "barely acceptable". Most are well south of that.
I know the M88 is supposed to be a closer range "woods rifle" with the capability of reaching out a bit further when needed. Unfortunately, quick, accurate offhand shooting demands a good crisp trigger even MORE than long range deliberate fire, when there's usually a rest of some kind and often, a little more time to concentrate on your shot.
When Winchester decided that the trigger had to swing with the lever, they made a crisp, repeatable trigger pull impossible and doomed the M88 to mediocrity.
Even a very good Gunsmith can't really cure the poor trigger pull on an M88.
It's really a shame, because otherwise, the M88 would be one of the front runners for the title of "worlds best hunting levergun."

I love K31s and currently own three.

I traded off my only M88 decades ago.

There's just a TINY possibility that I might be biased...

meanmrmustard
October 11, 2012, 09:23 PM
I've never fired a K-31 with a bad trigger.
I've never fired an M88 with a trigger better than "barely acceptable". Most are well south of that.
I know the M88 is supposed to be a closer range "woods rifle" with the capability of reaching out a bit further when needed. Unfortunately, quick, accurate offhand shooting demands a good crisp trigger even MORE than long range deliberate fire, when there's usually a rest of some kind and often, a little more time to concentrate on your shot.
When Winchester decided that the trigger had to swing with the lever, they made a crisp, repeatable trigger pull impossible and doomed the M88 to mediocrity.
Even a very good Gunsmith can't really cure the poor trigger pull on an M88.
It's really a shame, because otherwise, the M88 would be one of the front runners for the title of "worlds best hunting levergun."

I love K31s and currently own three.

I traded off my only M88 decades ago.

There's just a TINY possibility that I might be biased...
...couldn't tell. Rightly so, however.

Queen_of_Thunder
October 12, 2012, 06:01 PM
K31.

ercnjasmine
October 13, 2012, 09:35 AM
thanks for the inputs everyone

SwampWolf
October 23, 2012, 02:54 PM
I'd get the Model 88. I agree, it comes with a mediocre trigger pull that can't be improved on much, but the Model 88 is a fast-handling, accurate and good-looking lever-action that would make an ideal deer rifle, especially with the 4x Redfield scope that comes with it.

Coal Dragger
October 23, 2012, 02:57 PM
K31.

Higher quality rifle all the way around.

R.W.Dale
October 23, 2012, 03:01 PM
If you're getting a win 88 for k31 money you need to jump all over that and then decide wich you really want.

They'll be plenty of profit made selling that win 88 on should you choose to do so. And you will have had the pleasure of experiencing both firearms.




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Sav .250
October 23, 2012, 03:04 PM
A Win 88 for $50? There has to be more to this story.

MilsurpShooter
October 23, 2012, 04:10 PM
A Win 88 for $50? There has to be more to this story.
plus or minus 50, not $50 lol

All things said, what are your uses for this rifle? K31 is a good historical piece that's beginning to dry up on the market, decent investment should you want to sell at a later date. Action is cool, it's an accurate as all heck rifle, and if you don't want to reload and don't mind firing FMJ (IE Range instead of hunting) you can get the surplus ammo (Which is arguably just as good as an accurate handload) for $240 per 480 rounds, give or take a few bucks, that's off my last receipt of a GP11 case I bought

If you're going for accurate or hunting purposes... well it is a heavy rifle, but with proper sling makes it tolerable. Mine has taken more of it's fair share of deer up in the Adirondacks. Plus there's some decent aftermarket options available now that will let you add scopes or peep sights without permanent alteration.

I can't speak to the 88, don't own one, but I'd have to sit down and go over the reasons why I'm getting it, and what purpose is it filling before I'd say "go with the 88" or "go with the K31"

meanmrmustard
October 23, 2012, 06:05 PM
K31.

Higher quality rifle all the way around.
Yes indeedy!

geo57
October 23, 2012, 06:47 PM
Buy both if you can swing it financially and consider getting a new wife that you don't need permission from when you're considering buying a firearm ...or 2 firearms in this case.

Yes I'm kidding.....



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