Which Bolt Action in .308 WIN?


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mastiffhound
October 10, 2012, 11:32 PM
I'm looking at getting A new bolt gun in .308 WIN and am looking for some REAL personal experience. I don't want this to turn into an arguement or the buy a $3000 or $4000 bolt gun thread. These 4 bolt actions are in my trade allowance and I will get some extra's as in scope, bipod, and even some ammo. What am I trading you ask? My Ruger SR-556. I don't need it (it is a back-up to a back-up to a back-up) and it has few rounds through it (around 60).

Here are the contenders, in .308 WIN and no particular order. I jumbled them on purpose so that my own preference can't get in the way:

1. Remington SPS Tactical AAC-SD

2. Savage Model 10 FP-SR

3. Reminton SPS Tactical

4. Savage Model 10 Precision Carbine

5. If you haven't noticed I am looking for a shorter and heavy barreled tactical-ish bolt action. If you have a suggestion for a similar rifle in the same price range, please back it up with personal experience. I'm not looking for hearsay. I want personal feedback from those that have used these systems.

As always thank you all for your help!

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C-grunt
October 10, 2012, 11:56 PM
I've had the SPS Tactical and one of the Savage 10 FP models. Both were good guns. I'd grab one of the Remingtons for the aftermarket support. I also had a 700 LTR that was better than both by a good margin.

jim243
October 11, 2012, 12:48 AM
All 4 are nice rifles, but I am NOT a Remington fan. I do own one but it is a collectors item not a shooting rifle. For those I have three Savages.

Which one will be a personal choice, me I like the 10 FP-SR, you may like something else. Any of the four would work for you.

Good luck on your choice.
Jim

ZGunner
October 11, 2012, 01:02 AM
I have a Savage 10 PC. I don't have many round through it (40) but I like it. It's comfortable and the weight really isn't that bad considering the barrel is stout. I love the AccuTrigger. I kinda wish I would have got the .223 version tho, it was my first .308 and I'm just not sure if I like it. Can't shoot it all day like a .223.

If I was close I'd trade you straight up for it...

azgsmith
October 11, 2012, 01:27 AM
Add the Remington 700 LTR rifle in .308 to your list. I bought mine used for $600. After I bedded it, it shot like a top. Ive seen a few on back page in the same price range, If you can find an older one with the old trigger you should be more than happy.

jmr40
October 11, 2012, 01:53 AM
I used to own one of the FN Patrol rifles. It was a tack driver and in my opinion far more ruggedly built than any of your choices. I sold it because I'm more of a hunter. At over 10 lbs scoped it never got used anywhere but at the range. I have 5 lb rifles that shot pretty close and were the ones I actually used.

If I were into that type of shooting more, I'd buy another FN in a heartbeat. Have a friend that is a pretty serious benchrest shooter that uses a Remington 5R. He shoots it pretty well.

http://www.google.com/search?q=remington+5r&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4TSND_en___US464&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Gl52ULfMEpCy9gSt94DoDA&sqi=2&ved=0CB0QsAQ&biw=1311&bih=512

critter
October 11, 2012, 06:15 AM
I've had a stainless Ruger compact in 308 for a couple of years. Some of the internals are not very slickly finished, but it is 100% functional. Accuracy is really good-better than I expected from a short, very lightweight & slim barrel. It is also quite light, short and handy to get around.

I've taken at least 3 deer with it and like it very much.

rjrivero
October 11, 2012, 07:23 AM
The Remington 700 AAC has "Tactical Threading." It's gotta be better.....

USSR
October 11, 2012, 07:31 AM
Other: FN SPR.

Don
http://ussr.clarityconnect.com/fnsprnew1.jpg

jehu
October 11, 2012, 07:59 AM
Other, Sako.

303tom
October 11, 2012, 09:30 AM
Have you considered a Enfield 2A or 2A1, not terribly expensive, & they shoot great. .308 ammo easy to find, 12 rd mag. cap. & they make great builds. I have just over a 100 bucks in this one.........

AABEN
October 11, 2012, 09:47 AM
I have 10 Savages in diffrent calbers some are doubled in calbers. They all shot from 1/2in groops and some shot 3/4 groops at 100 yards.

mdauben
October 11, 2012, 10:22 AM
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of current production Remingtons. I guess a big part of that may be the way they screwed up Marlin when they took over productions to take that for what its worth. I am a big fan of Savage rifles, however. Great out of box accuracy and bang for the buck. Of the two Savages, I like the Model 10 Precision Carbine better, unless you intend to attach a silencer or muzzle brake.

allaroundhunter
October 11, 2012, 11:33 AM
I bought a Remington SPS Varmint in .308 as a long-range project gun this summer. So far it is an extremely accurate rifle, and I am more than pleased with it. I personally didn't want a 20"barrel, which is why I bought the "varmint" model. Hopefully soon I will get the barrel cut down to 24".

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rbernie
October 11, 2012, 12:01 PM
Other - Ruger 77 Hawkeye Tactical in 308:

http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeTactical/models.html

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/72433/Ruger+77+Hawkeye+Tactical+.308+Win+20%22

Vern Humphrey
October 11, 2012, 12:09 PM
Winchester Model 70. Mine is in .30-06, and was made in 1939.

dubbleA
October 11, 2012, 12:49 PM
Really cant go wrong with your choices they all are capable rifles. In factory rifles ther isnt one that's head and shoulders above another brand.

I have a few 308's and a $350 Rem 700SPS was the most trouble free shooter out of the lot. It came out of the box shooting 1/2 moa bone stock. The others I had to find loads for and the Savages were a PIA to find a load, very finicky.

FNH SPR
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/dubbleA/FNH-1.jpg

Savage 12
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/dubbleA/Rifles%201/Sav308.jpg

Rem 700 SPS
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/dubbleA/Rifles%201/16inch308.jpg

Savage 10FP
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/dubbleA/Rifles%201/Savage10FP-1.jpg

joed
October 11, 2012, 01:54 PM
I've had a Savage 10fp and a Remington 700 SPS tactical. Both were good guns. The Savage shot better out of the box then the Remington. Once I put a B&C stock on the 700 and had the trigger done it outshot the Savage.

Take your pick.

elrowe
October 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
Ruger Gunsite Scout, it's probably a little over the trade in range, but the M77 action is my favorite, and the ten round capacity is a bonus.

C-grunt
October 11, 2012, 02:50 PM
The Remington 700 AAC has "Tactical Threading." It's gotta be better.....
If you want to mount a can then it is one less thing you have to pay for.

Wolfebyte
October 11, 2012, 02:55 PM
Other

Marlin X7
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/CenterfireBoltAction/x7.asp

cons: I wished it had a box magazine.

MrDig
October 11, 2012, 02:57 PM
I voted for the Savage 10 FP SR to me it is everything I want in this type of rifle,
to one exception, I like detachable magazines.

mastiffhound
October 12, 2012, 01:03 AM
Wow, the Savage Model 10 FP-SR is winning at this point? I thought for sure the one of the Remingtons would be way ahead? I would love to have a FN but they are out of my price/trade in range. The most accurate rifles I've had were an old (I really mean old) Savage in .223 Rem, a FN FNAR, and a old Stevens Buckhorn .22lr. My pops is a Remington man through and through. I have alot of good memories out hunting in the country with my dad and his old 700's. As far as reliability I've never seen a bolt gun that was unreliable concerning function. That is why Remington and Savage are my two pics as far as companies.

The prices are right and the after-market support is great for both. This will be a pain to pick one but that is why you guys were asked for your experience, it will lead me in the right direction and my pick will be because you guys helped me out. Thank you all.

powder
October 12, 2012, 01:17 AM
700s have always rocked. Period.

Savages 10s are having bolt lock-up/out issues.

longknife12
October 12, 2012, 06:48 AM
I'm hard headed. You cannot go wrong with a pre 64 Mod 70. Ole Weinnies are still available! JMO
Dan
:cool::cool:

bodam
October 12, 2012, 09:26 AM
Good info here. I'm planning on buying my first rifle tomorrow. Bolt action 308. Can't decide on the Ruger American, Rem 770 or Savage Axis.

aka108
October 12, 2012, 09:45 AM
I had a very poor condition 1909 Argentine military rifle. Ran across a Israeli 308 barrel in the white. Removed the original barrel and scewed in the israeli one. Headspaced and did a little work to the stock and remounted the 1909 iron signs. Maybe 80buck tited up. Great cheap shooter and if it gets a little banged up, nothing damaged.

Reloadron
October 12, 2012, 10:23 AM
Personally I lean towards the older Remington 700 rifles. Likely because I am tooled up to work on them and have always had great shooters with them. I find the 700 actions simple and easy to work on and accurize including remove and replace a barrel and true the action up.

The new Savage bolt guns are great shooters out of the box and based on what I have seen with friends I would not hesitate to buy one.

Overall, I would maybe give some thought to a slightly used rifle. Many of the used rifles I have seen are excellent like new condition. Just know how to look the rifle over. ArmsList being a great source in addition to this forums buy / sell sections.

Just My Take
Ron

mastiffhound
October 12, 2012, 03:12 PM
I thought about used but with what AR's or piston AR's are going for I can get a new and unmolested rifle (that new gun smell!), good to very good glass, bipod, and at least 100 to 400 rounds from the local gunshop. I would swear I seen drool when I took the SR-556 for them to look it over. I even had a guy offer me $1600 in the parking lot. This buying frenzy for military style rifles (not assault rifles, they are not full auto, every time they are called assault rifles a pinko commie leftist gets their wings) is getting pretty bad.

I know the guy that owns the local shop, we BS all the time. He has not had an AR, AK, or any other military style rifle stay on his shelf for more than a day in two months. He is also back-ordered on tons of parts for said rifles. He is more than willing to make it worth my while and it will help him with a sale too! Again, I can't thank you guys enough for you valued experience! Keep it coming ladies and gentlemen!

Flatbush Harry
October 14, 2012, 01:39 AM
I can recommend the Rem 700 SPS-Varmint (like the SPS Tactical but a 26" barrel), the Rem 700 SPS SS, each mounted in a Bell & Carlson Medalist stock (A-5 for the SPS-V and Sporter for the SPS-SS), the Savage 16 and the Ruger 77 all in .308. My Savage is my single most accurate and consistent rifle, has the AccuStock and AccuTrigger and was approximately the same price as the Remmys. My Ruger is a 77RSI in stainless, so it has an 18-1/2" bbl and Mannlicher-style full stock. It and my Rem SPS SS are both very light and comfortable for long hunting hikes. My Rem SPS-V, as decked out with scope, stock and 1907 sling weighs in at 15 lbs...it's a steel and paper puncher. If I get another precision rifle, it will be a budget buster. All the rifles I noted started life at $700 or less but mods for the Rems jack them up a bit

Good luck.

FH

nastynatesfish
October 14, 2012, 01:43 AM
Other,DIY Mauser K98
http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w369/tabascoman79/6717076D-D2D4-41F7-82A3-2E314DF2210B-22116-0000107D76B9A83D.jpg

SWAMMO
October 14, 2012, 02:25 AM
I have a 700 aac-sd, very good rifle. It is versatile, you can shoot just about every projectile out there for 308. If you shoot subs you can shoot heavier projectiles due to the 1-10 twist. I put mine in a McMillan Htg stock and a cheap bottom metal. Probably one of the better rifles to do anything with.

lefteyedom
October 14, 2012, 02:34 AM
You will find that ether the Savage or the Remington will more than meet you needs. I built a 308 M-24 on a 700 LA action, It is nearly boring to shoot at 100 yards. I have 3 Savages 223, 7-08, and a switch barrel 300, 338 win mag. All of them are tack drivers.

Buy the Savage and put more money into your optics

Kachok
October 14, 2012, 08:00 AM
If you are talking Remington vs Savage that is a no brainer, I have tons of experience with both and a new Remington won't hold a candle to my newer Savages, though in years past it was the other way around. My past three Remingtons have all been defective, and I have yet to ever have one sesonds worth of trouble out of any of my Savages. The Sako/Tikka rifles are fantastic as well.

Jbaker47
October 14, 2012, 08:34 AM
Savage all the way.. Throw a timney trigger in there and it will hit whatever you want it to.


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WVRJ
October 14, 2012, 01:13 PM
I have a 700 VTR without the muzzle break in 308 and it shoots great without being quite as heavy if that's a consideration.I did wind up restocking it before it shot as good as I wanted it to.And I have a Savage M/12 single shot in 204 that shot great out of the box,no work needed.I would buy either one again if I had it to do over.But I am beginning to wonder about Remington's QC issues,so if push came to shove,I would probably lean towards a Savage,likely an F-class.

bodam
October 14, 2012, 09:10 PM
I just bought a Savage Axis .308 yesterday. Will hopefully have a chance at shooting this week.

I heard too many negatives about the 770, and really none about the Savage, so it seemed like a safer bet. I'll run the base scope that it came with (Bushnell) for now, until I have the funds for a better one.

stubbicatt
October 15, 2012, 08:47 PM
Detachable box magazine accommodates 10 rounders as well. Set trigger. Controlled round feeding. Cold hammer forged barrel. Great walnut stock. Great accuracy. 26" barrel.

Outstanding value.

ZXD9
October 24, 2012, 07:09 PM
I've got 650+ rounds through a Savage 10FP and it's been a great gun. MOA or better out to 400y if I don't mess up.

farmerboy78
October 28, 2012, 08:55 AM
I have a savage 10 precision carbine that is threadedfrom the factory, it comes with the accutrigger and accustock. The butt pad is very comfortable. It has a 1-10" twist rifling that will handle up to 220 grain bullets. Works well sub and supersonic. It shoots 1/2 moa all day long with a swfa ss 10x42 and berger 175 gr vld over 45 gr of varget. 2 weeks ago here in Arkansas there was a Doe only rifle season and I took a one shoot kill on a nice Doe at 418 yds and she dropped right there. Great great rifle.

P.B.Walsh
October 28, 2012, 09:53 AM
Winchester 70 (CRF), the rifle is made at a higher level than my Remington 700 SPS Varmit. Yes, it does cost a bit more, but in my poor folk opinion, the rifle was well worth it. The 70' comes from the factory with a better stock. Also the machine work is much more solid.

Winchester 70 (CRF) for life! Though if it were between Savage and Remington, I'd still pick Savage. The 700' aint a bad rifle, ask the USMC, but the quality of late has gone downhill in Illion.

- P.B. Walsh

1911 guy
October 28, 2012, 11:03 PM
When looking for the best bang for the buck in centerfire rifles, it's hard to beat a Savage. They're not the prettiest rifles around so if that matters you might look harder at Remington. If it's just a tool, Savage all the way.

ShooterGuy
October 29, 2012, 12:21 AM
+1 Ruger American .308, it's impressed me so far on almost all counts. I've fallen in love with mine, and when I compare it to my pricier .308 bolts....well I should have just got one of them to begin with...

NEED MORE AMMO
October 29, 2012, 12:46 AM
i would go with the Savage i dont have the FP-SR or Precision Carbine but i did pick up a Savage 10FXP from Walmart and got to say i love the accu-trigger, it's a good rifle. the only con is the flimsy stock and crapy optics but i expected that.

AABEN
October 29, 2012, 09:17 AM
I would take the SAVAGE 110 any day.

GuysModel94
October 30, 2012, 12:04 AM
In your price range check out the FN 308 tactical. They make a short heavy barrel and a 24" barrel.

cnoteleo
October 30, 2012, 09:39 PM
I have howa target master in 308, got a .411 5 shot group at 125 with it. Good gun for the price.

kimbernut
October 30, 2012, 09:44 PM
I voted other. I like all listed but the Browning x bolt or a bolt would be my choice because they are worth the small extra. Out of the box as good as it gets without a custom price tag. I've shot several and all have been .5moa or better.

Revoliver
October 31, 2012, 12:27 AM
Voted Other

http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeTactical/models.html

Mine will be here by the end of the week.

harrydog
October 31, 2012, 02:24 PM
I have a Savage 10 PC with the threaded barrel and I'm very happy with it. I can easily shoot .75 MOA with it but I think it is capable of better. Very handy size too.

chad1043
November 21, 2012, 05:43 AM
So what did you end up buying? And if you did... PICS!

vaupet
November 21, 2012, 06:46 AM
bizar, nobody mentioned the CZ rifles, they have outstanding price/performance imho.

mshootnit
November 21, 2012, 04:21 PM
definitely this one: ( I didn't read your price range)

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=316619669

jehu
November 22, 2012, 09:26 AM
That is a Sako SS Varmint in 308, looks like a model 75. I have it in 22-250 model 85 and it's a ground hogs worst nightmare. It is heavy so unless you're shooting from a good rested position, it's not a walk around rifle, then you would be better off with the Sako Grey Wolf or Hunter stainless,IMO.

TexasPatriot.308
November 22, 2012, 09:31 AM
my 30 year old Model 788 is still the best out of all my .308s, still a tackdriver, reliable, tuff rifle.

45crittergitter
December 1, 2012, 03:14 PM
You may want to check out the Tikka T3. There are Lite, Varmint, and TAC models.

Old judge creek
December 1, 2012, 03:50 PM
While I agree there are some great choices mentioned in this thread my personal favorite is a Ruger M77RSI in 308.

Mine is not the newer MkII, but an old model 77 with the tang safety. Its never failed me and is still a tack driver after "too many" years of service.

xfyrfiter
December 1, 2012, 04:08 PM
Howa varmint, good trigger, nice rail, smooth action, and more accurate than I am $400 and change new.

3twelves
December 1, 2012, 05:31 PM
Had a 700 SPS tactical, traded for a Savage 10 FCP-K. Overall a better rifle.


http://104.imagebam.com/download/5RLVaBtvsbz-BGrGb_7ysw/22354/223539621/savage.jpg

Nasty
December 2, 2012, 09:22 AM
Other - Ruger Scout

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/raynewton/RGSRp-1.jpg

chad1043
December 2, 2012, 09:25 AM
OK, now tell us WHY you decided on the the .308 you picked. Why did you decide to buy it over the others? Was it you father's choice? Was it from using one and liking it so much? Brand loyalty?

rodinal220
December 2, 2012, 10:56 AM
Remington 700P/Police.or a Sendero if you cannot get the police version.

Nasty
December 2, 2012, 02:59 PM
I did without any Rugers ever since he went to Congress on his own dime to testify that civilian shooters had no need for high cap magazines. I have no brand loyalty whatsoever when it comes to Ruger.

That said...Bill once said he wanted to build guns so good that he would buy them even if he didn't own the company. The RGSR was that gun to me.

Built to go to Hell and back...the right chambering, accuracy up to my standards (and that ain't cheap), all the factors put together added up to a weapon I wanted to have in my arsenal.

Before anyone tells me I chose poorly, please read my signature block.

chad1043
December 2, 2012, 03:01 PM
Nasty, my post was not directed at you. It was stated so we know what thinking wnet before the purchase. Thanks for your input.

Nasty
December 2, 2012, 04:21 PM
I took no offense...sorry if it sounded like I did.

I'm often just very direct.

chad1043
December 2, 2012, 04:22 PM
No problem, we good.

TheCracker
December 2, 2012, 08:49 PM
The only one I have experience with is the rem sps tactical.

It does shoot good, the 20" barrel is nice and handy. I really like the way the over molded hogue stock feels but is it flimsily and not free floated. Eventually you may want to get a better stock but its a nice gun IMO

sayak
December 2, 2012, 09:08 PM
Bill Ruger is dead and Ruger makes great firearms. If he was alive I might boycott his company, but since he is no longer at the helm, I will buy great guns from them.
Maybe someday Ruger will issue an apology for their dead leader's betrayal of the shooting public, but I won't hold my breath waiting.

mastiffhound
December 26, 2012, 01:25 PM
Well gents it looks like my waiting (procrastination) and not pulling the trigger has paid off. Never traded the SR-556, now I could get two bolt guns for what it's worth. I've had more than a few offers of 2 or more bolt guns, bolt guns and cash, a 10/22 a bolt gun and cash. This is crazy. Now I don't know if I even want to get rid of it, being that I might not be able to get another one. I am even thinking about the morals of taking advantage of a bad situation too. What should I do?

chad1043
December 26, 2012, 01:34 PM
Well, I'll tell you that I sold my AR a couple weeks ago before all this and I'm glad I did for that simple matter. Not to be over dramatic, but I will never try to gain profit covered with people's blood. Just my opinion, but I have no regrets. If you still want to sell it, sell it to a friend for the previous going rate.

COLOSHOOTR
December 26, 2012, 07:40 PM
I'll tell you right now the 700 AAC is one of the best the rifles out there for the money especially if you're interested in using a suppressor. My AAC in a B&C stock shoots under .5 inch groups (5 shot) with factory match ammo and usually .3 to .4 with hand loads when I do my part. The 1-10 barrel really likes heavier bullets like the 175 SNL or 178 Amax. The thing shot .75 inch groups with that horrible overmold stock that was touching the barrel when using a bi-pod. (Groups stated are 100yd groups rifle still shoots sub MOA at 600 yards [max distance at my range]). Another friend I talked into buying one has had similar results and guys on other forums have said the same things so I don't think I just got a lucky rifle.

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