What have you found to be the best case trimmer.


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spleify
October 11, 2012, 04:43 AM
I currently have a Lyman case trimmer that I modified to be able to use a drill with but the small handle that locks the case and the fact that its not really intended for a drill makes it not my favorite tool.

What have you folks found to be the best, easiest and quickest trimmer? I am looking to speed up this process with something that is easier on my hands and goes faster.

Thanks

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spleify
October 11, 2012, 05:07 AM
And obviously something that I can use with my drill to speed up the trimming.

Thanks

HOWARD J
October 11, 2012, 05:29 AM
This one does not use your drill but I like it
Lyman Universal Power trimmer---expensive but works great

http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/case-trimmers/
You can purchase this a lot less than the list price that Lyman shows

I purchased this many years ago because it was fast & very accurate.
Now with my hands full of pain I am happy to have this unit--I turn it on & it does all the work.

blarby
October 11, 2012, 05:39 AM
The lee shellholder that fits in a drill.

The cutter is great- I just made the metal handle a little bigger, and added a "bite" guard shield between my hands and the depth gauge.

Works fantastic !

GLOOB
October 11, 2012, 06:28 AM
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/352653/lee-zip-trim-case-trimmer-universal-3-jaw-chuck-case-holder

Plus this

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/174316/lee-case-spinner-spindle-with-drill-shank-for-use-with-3-jaw-chuck?cm_vc=sugv1352653

Plus a couple of these:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/136199/lee-case-trimmer-cutter-with-ball-grip?cm_vc=sugv1174316

And then one of these for each caliber:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/107333/lee-case-length-gage-and-shellholder-223-remington?cm_vc=OBv1136199

And your cordless drill.

You don't have to dedicate bench space for this system. You don't have to lock it in a vice, every time you use it. No messing around with depth adjustments when you change caliber. Just screw the guide in. With some of the fancier systems, you end up having to adjust, trim, measure, readjust, trim, measure... ok, got it. Now lock it down and you're good... until the next caliber change.

The Zip Trim chuck spins the case. So after trimming, you can hold the case against your manual chamfer tools and give the drill another quick spin. If there's some crud on the case that the tumbler missed, hold some bronze wool or a scrap of leather loaded with polish/rouge over the case and give another quick spin.

And because the case is what spins, you always get a level trim, even with such a simple method. Like how drilling a hole in a rod by chucking the rod in a lathe always makes a concentric hole.

I suggest at least one cutter ball for each actual caliber, as in case diameter. Cuz the guide screws down against the cutters. It stands to reason that a 30 caliber guide screwed down over the cutter might dull the blades for subsequent use on sub-30 caliber cases? This is one complaint some people have. But the cutter is a $5.00 consumable part, anyway. I have a couple, and it makes it even faster when you don't have to change the guide. Just grab the right cutter, and you're good to go.

rayatphonix
October 11, 2012, 06:40 AM
I think the Little Crow Gunworks trimmer is really nice. It's caliber specific, so you'll likely need several. Last night I trimmed 100 cases of once fired brass someone gave me in about 10 minutes. I have a drill press, so it's going to be faster than a handheld drill, but you'll still find these are easy to use.

www.midwayusa.com/product/119117/little-crow-gunworks-worlds-finest-trimmer-243-winchester-260-remington-7mm-08-remington-308-winchester

cfullgraf
October 11, 2012, 07:20 AM
What have you folks found to be the best, easiest and quickest trimmer? I am looking to speed up this process with something that is easier on my hands and goes faster.


I use the Lee trimming system and the L.E.Wilson/Sinclair International trimmer.

I use a battery screw driver to run the Lee because I find a drill motor too cumbersome. The Lee works well but has its problems mostly with tightening the shell holder. An appropriately sized open end wrench or Sinclair International's Redding die wrench can be used to snug up the shell holder.

The L.E.Wilson trimmer has a bit more work inserting and removing the case from the case holder. I made a block that makes it easier.

Using a drill press or lathe can speed trimming but my big power tools are in another shop away from my reloading room and I have not bother to try some things out with them.

For volume trimming, one needs a Dillon, Giraud or a Gracey trimmer. But they will set you back a bit of cash.

I have, but have not used much a Possum Hollow and WFT trimmer systems. They have potential.

USSR
October 11, 2012, 07:40 AM
L.E.Wilson with the Sinclair International power adaptor. Works great hooked up to my cordless drill.

Don

rbernie
October 11, 2012, 07:42 AM
The Giraud is my favorite, followed by the Lee trimmers (using the universal collet instead of the individual shell holders).

303 hunter
October 11, 2012, 07:47 AM
The lee shellholder that fits in a drill.

The cutter is great- I just made the metal handle a little bigger, and added a "bite" guard shield between my hands and the depth gauge.

Works fantastic !
I would like to see a picture of this set up if possible. I also use the Lee system,and am interested in your mods.

DM~
October 11, 2012, 08:42 AM
My vote is for the Forester.

Lot's of options available for trimming, neck reaming, neck turning ect. (if needed in your future) to make precision brass.

I use a cordless drill on mine at times, Forester also has one model to use in a drill press that uses all the same pilots/collets there other model uses.

DM

James2
October 11, 2012, 11:37 AM
The Lyman Universal Carbide is excellent. Yes, it is hand crank. Is that the same unit you are trying to adapt to run with your drill?

RCBS makes a power trimmer. Give that a look.

saitek
October 11, 2012, 12:10 PM
i second the forester ! :)

Hanshi
October 11, 2012, 01:26 PM
Lyman.

danweasel
October 11, 2012, 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by blarby
The lee shellholder that fits in a drill.

The cutter is great- I just made the metal handle a little bigger, and added a "bite" guard shield between my hands and the depth gauge.

Works fantastic !



Yes. I too would love to see a picture.

Romeo 33 Delta
October 11, 2012, 02:04 PM
"WFT" ... Dale's got a real winner with this one!

SSN Vet
October 11, 2012, 02:13 PM
I use the Lee Zip Trim, because it brings back fine memories of a lawnmower that would never start :)

Actually.... it's very handy

On the rare occasion that I decide to do a large batch of brass, I chuck the lee cutter (the one without the wooden ball) with the appropriate length gage installed into my drill press and turn it on at the lowest speed.

Then I raise up the table to about 4 inches below the tip of the gage and tighten it up.

Using a rubber dish glove on my left hand for a good grip, I hold a deprimed case with the head flat on the table and lower the spindle untill the gage pin hits the table.

The rotational force of the cutter head cutting the brass has never yet spun a case out of my grip when I use the dish glove.

This goes pretty darn fast.

Just don't pull down on the spindle too hard, or you can bend the tip of the length gage.

savanahsdad
October 11, 2012, 02:26 PM
for a drill , cheep and eazy ,and works good , go with the lee set up ,, I have yet to dull one, for od-ball cases I use a pacific hand crank trimer or my C&H trimer, but for many years I got buy with the lee, (about 12 years)

GLOOB
October 11, 2012, 02:48 PM
lee set up ,, I have yet to dull one
I have a friend that managed to go through a few. He was doing a conversion that required the cases to be cut down by about a third of an inch. I suggested he slow his drill or use some coolant, cuz he was making the thing smoke. His response was the cutters were so cheap, it was easier to just buy more. :)

FTR, I initially bought a Wilson trimmer specifically for 223, my high volume trim caliber. I thought splurging a little would pay off after enough cases were trimmed. Later, I bought the cheap Lee system just for some oddball calibers, simply because the entire Lee system and guides were cheaper than buying a Wilson case holder for each additional caliber. It didn't take long before I got the Lee 223 guide, and the Wilson has been in deep storage ever since.

KansasSasquatch
October 11, 2012, 02:50 PM
I have a Hornady Cam-Lock case trimmer. About the only decent trimmer I could find cheaper (locally) was a Forster and the Hornady seemed like it would be easier to secure cases into the shellholder. I would have liked to have purchased a powered case trimmer but the price of them has kept me away so far. Even so the Hornady trimmer isn't too time consuming to use if you are only trimmer 100, 200, or even 300 cases at a time. If you want to trim 1000 pieces of .223 brass like I did last week it can give your arm a little workout and take a bit of time, but that's the downside of a manually operated trimmer. But if you go with the Hornady trimmer it supposedly only accepts their shellholders.

fguffey
October 11, 2012, 03:43 PM
Favorite, there are not many I do not have, I do not get into mortal combat with trimming, the most accurate is the trim/forming die (my favorite), expensive? yes. then there are the trimmers that set on the shoulder of the case while the case body is held in the end, meaning when measuring the case length the case is measured from the case head to the mouth of the case, when trimmed the case is held in the hand and trimmed when set up on the shoulder???

Not a problem for me, this stuff does not lock me up, I measure the length of the chamber from the bolt face to the shoulder of the chamber, when trimming cases for a few of my chambers I have to add .014 between the case head and shoulder, if I followed instructions and advise I would have cases with shorter necks than necessary, so? trimming the neck of the case while setting up on the shoulder is the same as understanding how to use and read a L. E. Wilson case gage, it reads both ways, from the shoulder (datum) to the mouth of the case and from the shoulder (datum) back to the head of the case, simultaneously.

F. Guffey

Rogue35
October 11, 2012, 03:53 PM
3rd on the Forster. Love mine! I'm getting ready to get the 3 in 1 piece for it that trims, chamfers, and deburrs all at once. For only $60 I think it will be money well spent.

AABEN
October 11, 2012, 04:13 PM
LEE that works in the drill. I have one for all the calibers that I have.

highlander 5
October 11, 2012, 04:18 PM
I use 2 Possum Hollow trimmers and with a little tweeking work well.

LennieT
October 11, 2012, 05:37 PM
Little Crow Gunworks trimmer and a drill press works for me. Use to gauge all my brass and then trim if needed on a Hornady or Lee trimmer. The Little Crow Gunworks trimmer is so fast that I don't bother checking my brass, I just run it all though the trimmer. There is a reason they call it the "Worlds Finest Trimmer."

Lennie

Kevin Rohrer
October 11, 2012, 05:40 PM
I use a Giraud.

http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/KevinRohrer/Reloading/IMG_0773.jpg

It works well when I want to do some serious trimming.

http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/KevinRohrer/Reloading/BulkBrass.jpg

stavman11
October 11, 2012, 06:21 PM
HOLLY CRAP Kevin

ZipTrim works fin for me and my .223 cases....


Stav

EddieNFL
October 11, 2012, 08:00 PM
Accuracy - Wilson

Speed - Giraud

blarby
October 12, 2012, 12:28 AM
I would like to see a picture of this set up if possible. I also use the Lee system,and am interested in your mods.

Ask, and ye shall receive.......

The lee "ball" is too big, it makes any kind of a shield that protects your fingers/hands from a slipoff into literally a Targe'.

Everyone who has used the lee bits in a drill knows what this protects you from.

We all have that divot in our knuckle that will never go away from the first time the brass slipped out of that shell holder.

This shield is small, essentially free, and deflects your pressure hand away from both the sharp bit sticking in the drill, the drill chuck teeth, and the spinning parts associated with each.

Bear with we and me "country oriented engineering"- but it friggin works- and I trim 100's of cases weekly with this- and since its Creation, it has yet to let me down.

GLOOB
October 12, 2012, 05:26 AM
Everyone who has used the lee bits in a drill knows what this protects you from.
Quoi?
I will be the first to admit that I have no clue what the guard is for. I have trimmed around a thousand cases... in one day. No injuries, so far. :)

FROGO207
October 12, 2012, 05:57 AM
I have another vote for the Lee style trimmer and I use them in a small inexpensive drill press and use a glove with the plastic dots to grip the shell. I also have never had a problem other than the end of the length gauge wearing down after trimming a metric butt-load of them. My method is about the same as SSN Vet when using the drill press but use a motor speed gizmo to slow down the press so it is easier for me to control. FWIW I have not dulled my cutter heads any large amount unless they are used to trim nickle plated brass. When the cutter gets dull I just put a flat oiled sharpening stone on the press table and gently "trim" just the cutter a small amount to sharpen.;)

dmazur
October 12, 2012, 08:00 AM
Another vote for the Giraud.

Until it was available with quick-change heads, I wasn't sold. Now it's just a couple of minutes to change cutter heads and case holders.

I have found that I can get within a few thousandths by saving a trimmed case to use for setup. Then the witness marks on the machine are 0.009" for every 45, so it's easy to dial in the desired trim length without messing up a bunch of brass.

With a thin leather glove, I can do 500 cases in a few minutes.

It isn't just a trimmer. As most know, it does inside/outside chamfering at the same time. Terrific little gadget and well worth the price.

spleify
October 12, 2012, 08:30 AM
Wow, thanks so much for all the great ideas folks. I should have also added that I want to speed up the loading of .223 only. The long range precision stuff I take my time with.

I think I have narrowed it down to these two.

This
http://www.forsterproducts.com/catalog.asp?prodid=700292

And this
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/817007/rcbs-trim-pro-2-manual-case-trimmer-kit?cm_cat=Cart&cm_pla=ProductDesc
With one of these attached
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/145038?cm_vc=S014

SpringfieldM1A
October 12, 2012, 10:27 AM
I use the Wilson trimmer for everything. The trimmer does a much better job than anything else ive used. Id like to try out the Giraud trimmer for 223 and 308. That is one sweet looking machine. I just cant see spending 400 bucks on a trimmer unless you plan on using it alot.

cfullgraf
October 12, 2012, 10:47 AM
I just cant see spending 400 bucks on a trimmer unless you plan on using it alot.

Right. I would also like to have a Giraud. But, I trim small quantities of many different cartridges. I'd spend a fortune in cartridge change parts and set up time might offset the time saved in trimming.

Maybe someday when I run out of other toys to buy.

CatManDo
October 12, 2012, 12:19 PM
I have the Lee trimmer(s); Forester trimmer(s) and my favorite to use is the Little Crow Gunworks trimmer. Costs a little more per trimmer setup, but is accurate and fast to use.

danweasel
October 12, 2012, 12:22 PM
Thanks Blarby. Looks good to me!

rbernie
October 12, 2012, 01:24 PM
The lee "ball" is too big, it makes any kind of a shield that protects your fingers/hands from a slipoff into literally a Targe'.

Everyone who has used the lee bits in a drill knows what this protects you from.

We all have that divot in our knuckle that will never go away from the first time the brass slipped out of that shell holderUse the Lee universal collet. It provides 360d support for the case rim.

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2012, 01:58 PM
I use the Lee system with a minor change that makes it really fast and effective.

With the universal collet and a variable speed and torque cordless drill I've found that using one of those semi flexible 1/4" drive extensions allows me to trim on my desk top with the drill in my lap and with the torque clutch set properly cases get locked in and our quite swlecurely using a pair of pliers for purchase.

Its very fast and all my right hand does is switch directions and operate the trigger. I don't have to hold the drill


Don't forget the Lee system is also a great way to get a great case Polish with steel wool or a solvent dampened rag while you're spinning the case anyways




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Hit_Factor
October 12, 2012, 02:06 PM
I use a Dillon electric trimmer on a Dillon 650 to size, decap and trim. Then dump them into a Dillon 1050 for reloading. That's the best I can do for high volume.

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