Suomi K/P 31 vs Hi Point 995TS NY PREBAN


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tyeo098
October 12, 2012, 04:06 PM
In search for a 9mm carbine I came across a local guy selling a Hi point 995TS unfired for 300$. Thinking upon it for a while I decided I would take him up on the deal seeing as a 9mm carbine would fit my little carbine nice perfectly, and that I could somehow 'mod' it to take ext-cap (33rd) Glock mags.

Well that didn't work and I'm rather disappointed with the limited 10 rounds capacity. A replacement would have to be either Pre-ban or NY-legal.

My father offered to buy the 995 from me as he recently acquired a S&W 5906 9mm handgun and would like a carbine to compliment it.

Now I'm back to needing a hi-cap NY-legal 9mm carbine.

Thats where the Suomi K/P M31 comes in. Centerfire Systems has them on sale for $399, does anyone have any experience with these? Particularly from Centerfire?
Are they (or the mags) Preban/NY-Legal since they are WWII surplus? (~40's era mags are made before 1994 right?)

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Girodin
October 12, 2012, 04:09 PM
They weigh WAY more than any 9x19 carbine should IMHO. There are a number of 9x19 carbines I find more utilitarian and appealing. Unfortunately I know nothing of NY's silly laws so I'm not sure which of them will qualify. Were it me I'd be looking at what else I could get though.

tyeo098
October 12, 2012, 04:15 PM
NY is a state where the AWB never sunset.

USAF_Vet
October 12, 2012, 04:37 PM
A Suomi for $399? Sign me up.

I'm not familiar with NYS laws, pre-ban post-ban stuff, but the Suomi does take 50 round drums. I've been wanting one for years.

bikerdoc
October 12, 2012, 04:41 PM
Read the Centerfire ad again.
These are replica's made in Tenn I think.
Further on the they talk about NY state ten round mag limit. The Soumi comes with a 36 rd stick and a 70 something rd drum is available.
So no go in NY.
Plus like was stated it weighs about 11 lbs.

So looks like your stuck with the 10 rd 995.

Caliper_RWVA
October 12, 2012, 04:55 PM
Read the Centerfire ad again.
These are replica's made in Tenn I think.

Not really replicas, they are manufactured from parts kits.

The original carbine was a submachine gun: fired from an open bolt, fixed firing pin, full auto only. So, the original receivers were torch cut :( and new bolts and trigger groups made to turn it into a semi-auto carbine. Also they get a 16" barrel. So, some parts like the stock, sights, magazine will be original, but many parts are new production.

tyeo098
October 12, 2012, 05:05 PM
Further on the they talk about NY state ten round mag limit. The Soumi comes with a 36 rd stick and a 70 something rd drum is available.
So no go in NY.

Replicas are OK, as the gun may be post ban, but its not in violation. No PG, FH, threaded barrel etc.

As for the mags, the Suomi was declared obsolete by the Finns in the 80s and haven't made mags for them since the late 70's (from what I've read).
The rifles themselves were out of production in 1953... so the mags were pretty far behind being OOP.

That being so, ALL THE (surplus) MAGS ARE PREBAN.

Im going for it. I can deal with the weight. I used to carry a 24" AR all over the woods. If I can shoulder that off-hand, I can shoulder anything.

mf-dif
October 12, 2012, 07:19 PM
Ive had my eye on one myself. There's also the Sterling...I believe it is lighter than the soumi and reviews of those have been good.

Cosmoline
October 12, 2012, 07:36 PM
I've heard the pseudo-Suomis are a mixed bag, but some are very nice. They are certainly heavy, as was typical for early SMG's. Very much overbuilt. But heck, those guys used to ski on canoes and stop tanks by jamming logs into the treads.

JBrady555
October 13, 2012, 06:24 AM
I got one on the way. Should be at the FFL on tuesday, I can't wait to take it to the range. I'm also thinking of buying one of the parts kits from cheaperthandirt.com for 70 bucks just for the spare parts. Also the kits are NFA with the original short barrel, so if I want to go through the paperwork I can bring my gun a little closer to the original look.

USAF_Vet
October 13, 2012, 04:25 PM
Heck I've thought about getting one of the CTD kits just for a wall hanger. Gotta post a range report with that Suomi.

JBrady555
October 13, 2012, 05:13 PM
I'll be sure to put out a range report when the gun gets here. Hopefully if it gets here early enough tuesday I'll get to shoot it the same day.

unlimited4x4
October 14, 2012, 08:35 PM
Try watching gunbroker for a ruger pc9. Last couple of times I looked there were a few on there with 5 to 7 mags for about $550. And they are a sweet little carbine. Mags are readily available. If I weren't unemployed I'd have one!

Good Hunting!

bikerdoc
October 14, 2012, 08:43 PM
Try watching gunbroker for a ruger pc9. Last couple of times I looked there were a few on there with 5 to 7 mags for about $550. And they are a sweet little carbine. Mags are readily available.

They are nice I got one for 400. takes P95 mags and I got some 20 an 30 round after market that work well.

tyeo098
October 15, 2012, 09:37 AM
Anyone got any idea of what kind of accuracy to expect?
If the Finns did the same thing to their SMGs what they did to the Mosins, expectations are high.

Waiting for my father to cough up the money, then I'll have one on the way as well! And I will buy so many drums, for 25$ a few of them will have to work, right?

Cosmoline
October 15, 2012, 12:45 PM
Unfortunately we don't have access to the original Finnish SMG's here. The ones being sold are parts kits stuck onto a new receiver that was decidedly not made or assembled by Tikkakoski.

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