Who daily carries H&K P7


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Dr_2_B
October 13, 2012, 04:47 AM
It's certainly from an earlier generation, but what a wonder of engineering. Who still carries a P7M8 or P7PSP for CCW? And what rig do you carry it in? Carry an extra mag?

Oh, and bonus points if you post a pic.

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m2steven
October 13, 2012, 06:02 AM
I carry one about once every 5 weeks. I can grab a photo when I get back home ( i'm at work at the moment :( ). I need to get a heftier holster for it. I got a cheapo model to have something to put the pistol in when I got it.

It's a great pistol. Very accurate and superb trigger. The thing does get too hot to shoot sometimes but in an SD type scenario would not be a problem. It's dead reliable and I am happy as a clam with it. As good or better than most new models.

usp9
October 13, 2012, 08:35 AM
When I bought my first P7 I fully intened to carry it in a holster I had made for it. There were very few choices back then, not many custom makers were even interested. For various reasons I won't expound upon, I decided not to use the P7, although it has some great carry friendly qualities.

Here's what it looked like then. Slim, tight to the body and compact.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/pspholster001.jpg

Pilot
October 13, 2012, 07:40 PM
I carry a P7 PSP about half the time now, and also have a P7M8 that I just use for range work. Superb pistols. I carry the PSP in a cheap Uncle Mike's holster designed for a small auto, OWB.

wojownik
October 14, 2012, 01:10 AM
I occasionally carry a P7 in a Milt Sparks VMII. A pleasure to carry.

Halal Pork
October 14, 2012, 09:01 AM
I was very happy to finally get a P7M8 but it's unlikely to ever take the wear and tear of daily carry. Occasionally putting a magazine through it at the range is about as much use as I will ever get out of it. I think it is the only handgun I have that would generate these "this is my baby" feelings. I know it doesn't make sense but there you go. Maybe they will have a Dr. Phil episode about my problem.

dfsixstring
October 14, 2012, 09:23 AM
Ok, I'm familiar with this pistol - only from a casual perspective. I remember seeing "Hans Gruber" use it in the first Die Hard movie. Do you have to squeeze the grip "cocker" with each round fired?


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2wheels
October 14, 2012, 09:36 AM
Ok, I'm familiar with this pistol - only from a casual perspective. I remember seeing "Hans Gruber" use it in the first Die Hard movie. Do you have to squeeze the grip "cocker" with each round fired?


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No you don't have to "resqueeze" the grip every time. You can almost think of it like the grip safety on a 1911, you simply grip the gun and shoot it like almost any other pistol.

Pilot
October 14, 2012, 09:36 AM
You squeeze the grip, and hold it. You don't need to release the grip each time to fire it. Just hold it normally like any pistol and continue shooting. The pressure to initially cock the squeeze cocker is a bit more than holding it. You can actually hold it down with very little pressure due to the excellent engineering of the system. It is a marvel.

mavracer
October 14, 2012, 10:04 AM
I carry my psp occasionally in a Don Hume IWB.

9mmepiphany
October 14, 2012, 01:52 PM
I was very happy to finally get a P7M8 but it's unlikely to ever take the wear and tear of daily carry.
I carried my first P7 (PSP) as a duty gun...there were three of us on the shift who did...and it held up to the daily exposure to the elements

You can actually hold it down with very little pressure due to the excellent engineering of the system
It takes about 10lbs to initially cock it and about 3lbs to keep it cocked...it is like a compound bow

One of the regrets of my LE career is not buying a P7M13 when they were offering new ones for $378

Halal Pork
October 14, 2012, 03:00 PM
While I'm sure the pistol would do just fine, you can see from what I wrote that I was addressing the fact I will probably never use mine for daily carry and not that it can't be done.

Rexster
October 14, 2012, 05:35 PM
For a brief period, early in my policin' career, I owned two of the original P7 pistols, what is now generally termed PSP. I carried concealed in a Bianchi Askins Avenger, and on duty in a locally-custom-made flap holster. One thing about the P7 that is very important to note is that the balance point is centered in the grip area, so a holster has to be quite tight to keep a firm grip on the pistol, and the belt MUST be stiff, or the whole rig will flop around.

When my PD went to open-topped retention-type duty holsters, no such animal existed for the P7, so I reverted to a sixgun for duty. During a subsequent financial squeeze, all of my firearms went away, except for one duty sixgun, one back-up snubby, and one shotgun. When I returned to using an auto for a duty pistol, I carried a Colt Commander. (It is normal for peace officers in my region to own our duty weapons.)

I considered acquiring another P7, but for a long time, the exchange rate worked against me, and other priorities have always seemed to conflict.

Dr_2_B
October 14, 2012, 09:12 PM
One of the regrets of my LE career is not buying a P7M13 when they were offering new ones for $378

Ugh! I'm clutching my heart.

johnnydollar
October 14, 2012, 09:40 PM
I do. Everyday. P7 PSP in Sparks VM II horsehide with matching mag pouch. Wonderful weapons.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc422/johnnydollar1949/hk%20p7%20%20psp/SANY0016.jpg

johnnydollar
October 14, 2012, 09:48 PM
I saw a beautiful P7M13 at a gunshow today, LNIB for $2500.

Havok7416
October 14, 2012, 10:40 PM
I carry a P7 PSP occasionally. I can't remember who made my holster off-hand but it can be worn both inside the belt and outside by switching the belt loops around. I have two spare mags although I usually carry just one extra.

giggitygiggity
October 15, 2012, 12:40 AM
Whats the difference between a P7M8, a P7M13, and a P7PSP, and any other P7 models? Thanks.

9mmepiphany
October 15, 2012, 02:15 AM
The original gun was the PSP...you'll likely never see a real PSP...but the PSP name has been used to differentiate it from the M8 and folks who use P7 generically. The P7 designator comes from the German Police trials which also gave us the P6 (SIG) and P5 (Walther)

The P7 is the original imported gun. It is sleeker, with a smaller trigger guard, low profile sights, flush striker retaining collar and heel mounted magazine release. There are two different magazine releases on the original P7...one is flush with the backstrap and the other protrudes. The protruding one is more common and faster to use. There is a very special PT8 which used a special training cartridge with a plastic bullet

The M8 incorporated modifications for the NJSP contract. These included the larger trigger guard (for gloves) higher sights (retained by set screws) protruding striker collar (take down without tools), heat shield above trigger and ambi mag releases behind the trigger guard with little wings.

The M13 was a M8 with a larger magazine. There is also a M13SD with a longer threaded barrel for a suppressor

The M10 was the M13 chambered in .40 and a slide mass added above the barrel.

The M7 was chambered for the .45ACP and replaced the gas chamber with a hydraulic one

The K3 was shortened blowback operated gun with a sealed hydraulic cylinder and used interchangable barrels to swap between 9x17mm and 7.56x17mm cartridges. With the addition of a different slide and barrel with floating chamber insert, it could also fire the .22LR

Peter M. Eick
October 15, 2012, 08:27 AM
I was always taught that the P7E was the extended mag release European model.

The P7U has the longer grips that cover the United States version so the mag release is protected from accidentally being activated.

I carry mine. I have 3. One P7E and 2 P7U's of which one is my primary carry gun. I used to carry it a daily. I tried other guns (Colt Gov 380, Sig 238, EMP9mm) and now I am back to the P7U again. The ergo's and safety of the squeeze cocker is key. Note the mag release difference between the lower left P7E vs. the lower right (my carry gun) the P7U

http://eickpm.com/picts/3_p7s_triangle.jpg

9mmepiphany
October 15, 2012, 11:58 AM
I usually don't get into the "E" designation's meaning...as they even have a disagreement, on HKPro and Parkcities Tacticle, if the frame was ever marked P7E.

However, it seems that the general agreement (http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/114927-p7-vs-p7-psp-vs-p7m8.html) is that the "E" model refers to the flush mounted magazine release with the longer grip panels.

They also agree that the "E" is meant to infer/represent an European model, as the modification was at the request of a European LE agency due to magazines releasing when officers sat in cars. This seems correct as there are very few flush magazine release models available domestically compared to the standard protruding one.

usp9
October 15, 2012, 02:28 PM
Peter M. Eick,
Nice collection. especially the KH dated PSP. There were only a few hundred of those marked that way. Very collectable gun you have there. This was one of the last PSPs made. Those first few hundred PSPs and the last few are perhaps the most collectable of all the entire P7 run, regardless of model.

Big Dave
October 15, 2012, 10:32 PM
They definitely were labeled P7E on the frame. I've read that only about 150 were made, making it very rare.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l77/DaveDDS/p7E.jpg

C0untZer0
October 16, 2012, 01:00 AM
I live in Illinois :(

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Tedzilla
October 16, 2012, 01:23 AM
Don't leave home without it...

RhinoDefense
October 16, 2012, 01:24 AM
Used to have a P7PSP with a 6XXX serial number. Carried it a few times, sold it. They're nice guns, but I got over the novelty after a few years.

Ak Guy
October 16, 2012, 01:59 AM
Yep, carry my P7M13 each & every day, anywhere past the end of my driveway........... In a Matt DelFatti IWB w/ snaps (excellent holster). No, I do not carry xtra mags.........if 14 doesn't solve the pbm, adios amigo.
I shoot it often in IDPA, and occassionaly in USPSA. I'm very comfortable w/ it.... I love it..........it's my "go-to-gun".

xwingband
October 16, 2012, 01:49 PM
I do. I like it's slimness most of all. I could do without the weight, but frankly I shoot the best with it. Whenever I go to the range I shoot a few mags out of it before I put it away simply not needing to "practice it" anymore.

I have a Bianchi Carrylok 82 for it if I'm doing OWB. I can only do this if I have a pull over or jacket when it's cold enough... which is not very often at all. I simply like the quality of the holster and the option of open carry if I ever get in a state with the option. The carrylok gives me peace of mind if I was open carrying that someone couldn't yank it from my holster coming from behind.

For IWB I have a Comp-tac MTAC. It works and was quick to me... can't say that about many. I will spring for an all leather IWB like a Mitch Rosen at some point if I see it.

I will probably start splitting my carry with a polymer subcompact soon as the weight is not great for when it's so dang hot and the belt is oppresive. Probably an XDs.

Nuclear
October 18, 2012, 06:00 AM
I own one and carry it occasionally in a leather OWB holster. It is a wonderful piece of engineering, and I find it fitting when I'm not dressed casually.

Oh, it is very easy to shoot accurately.

BrainOnSigs
October 18, 2012, 06:15 AM
I carried a P7M13 for a couple of years.

http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Other/Things-that-go-BANG/i-Tbm6cdq/0/O/p7m13.jpg

Peter M. Eick
October 18, 2012, 07:17 AM
USP9,

I know that my newest is a rare one. Over on the P7 forum I had some guys chasing me to buy it. I keep it because it is the one P7 that I bought NIB and have the factory guarantee card in my name. I like that I have the actual original guarantee on it.

PabloJ
October 18, 2012, 07:54 AM
It's certainly from an earlier generation, but what a wonder of engineering. Who still carries a P7M8 or P7PSP for CCW? And what rig do you carry it in? Carry an extra mag?

Oh, and bonus points if you post a pic.
Reason I bought one is it was not Browning or another common design. I nixed it after few months because I did not care for it. I like my $30 wristwatch $5 'Sheffield' pocket knife and the Glock pistol.

XTrooper
October 18, 2012, 08:28 AM
I no longer carry a P7M8 as I no longer own my personal one which I bought under the original 1982 NJSP contract. However, I did carry one, on and off duty, for the last nine years of my NJSP career and for the first eight years after my retirement in 1991.

I put literally thousands of rounds downrange with the P7M8 and can attest to the fact that it is a GREAT pistol.

Bonus photo :)
http://xtrooper.net/NJSP_poster.jpg

Longhorn 76
October 18, 2012, 08:32 AM
Carry a P7 psp, finish re-done with Black T, in Andrews Monarch shoulder holster with extra mags. Used to swap out 2 M8s for IDPA, until I finally got a M13. The M13 is my IDPA gun now, but the psp is carry.

That gun was made for me! I grew up with revolvers, and this is the best gun for carry for me I have ever had. I love that there are no confusing levers and stuff on the pistol, but yet, as soon as I release the grip, it is uncocked. The feature of being able to remove the firing pin so quickly is overlooked.

Unfortunately, due to the weight being centered in my hand, I do not shoot it as well as a barrel-heavy revolver.

In the hands of a better shooter than me, it has to one of the quickest first-shot pistols around. And the m8/m13s have to be the fasted to reload of any pistol I have ever seen. I can drop the mag with my trigger finger, insert new mag, squeeze and shoot.

GrandmasterB
October 19, 2012, 11:48 AM
K&D Cochise Defender

http://www.drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/publish/bungib/PublicFolder/Guns/CochiseDefender.jpg

C0untZer0
October 19, 2012, 12:19 PM
the m8/m13s have to be the fasted to reload of any pistol I have ever seen. I can drop the mag with my trigger finger, insert new mag, squeeze and shoot.

The magazine doesn't drop of my P7M8 - it shoots out, it's like spring propelled.

The pistol also has a very unobtrusive ambidextrous magazine release. You can activate it with thumb or forefinger with either hand, but in my decades of shooting it - I've never accidentally hit the mag release.

JustinJ
October 19, 2012, 02:55 PM
I daily carry an HK P7(+1,993)sk. Does that count?

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