nosler balistic tip vs hornady sst


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JEB
October 13, 2012, 02:45 PM
i have been working up a good 30-06 load for whitetails this season and have narrowed it down to two; the hornady sst and the nosler balistic tip. both are running right at 2900 fps. accuracy is a wash; i just dont see much if any difference between the two. the balistic tip has a slightly higher BC than the sst, but at the ranges i will be shooting (very unlikely to get a shot past 200yards) i dont think that it makes any difference. the only real difference that i can see between the two is the price, with the noslers costing a bit more. given the similarities, the only thing left to figure out is how they hold togather on game. so has any had any experience with both? i know the balistic tip has a pretty large fan base but i dont hear much on the sst.

so for whitetails at 200 yards and in, considering the same bullet weight (150gr), same velocity, same caliber, same gun, etc. which would you choose and why?

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jmr40
October 13, 2012, 03:18 PM
I've shot game with the BT. The same load/ bullet combo. I've never recovered a bullet, including a complete pass through on a larger than average black bear. Everything dropped dead in their tracks with fist sized exit holes.

I've not been able to get the SST's to shoot well in my guns. The standard Interlocks shoot much better for me so that is what I now use. I've read that the SST's tend to expand too fast at times, not giving adequate penetration, but no personal experience. I don't think it would be an issue on deer sized game however.

Older BT's had a reputation for doing the same when new, but Nosler has toughened up the bullet and more recent bullets seem to do better.

My opinion, for whitetail, I think either would be fine. If I wanted to stay with that bullet weight and there was a possiblity of anything larger I'd feel better with an Accubond, Partition, or Barnes TTSX, but would take the BT over the SST.

Mobuck
October 13, 2012, 03:40 PM
I've used both and seriously doubt you'll see a noticeable difference in the two bullets when used on deer sized game.

rule303
October 13, 2012, 04:05 PM
I have tried both in the '06. I have since switched to Partitions. The Ballistic Tips were extremely accurate for me, the SST's were OK, but both bullets will fail to penetrate more than a few inches on close shots. I still shoot the Ballistic tips when hunting out west, but for woods range hunting I think something like a Remington Core-Lokt or Nosler partition is a more reliable performer in the 150gr .30 cal.

Arkansas Paul
October 13, 2012, 04:18 PM
rule303, I have experienced the exact opposite. I have shot 7 deer with ballistic tips. The ranges were from 15 yds to about 125. I've never recovered a bullet.
The fact is, on white tails it doesn't really matter IMO. Either is fine.

Ridgerunner665
October 13, 2012, 04:31 PM
From my 30-06 (M70)...


SST's...150 grain.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc137/Ridgerunner665/photobucket-1318-1349794167548.jpg


Ballistic Tips...168 grain though.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc137/Ridgerunner665/photobucket-8378-1349796767708.jpg


Ballistic Tip exit hole...ALWAYS...bullet entered the other shoulder (quartering to me), destroyed it as well as the lungs and heart...exited just behind the diaphragm...and kept on going...don't let anybody tell you BT's won't penetrate...I could sit here all day posting pictures that say otherwise.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc137/Ridgerunner665/130_3071.jpg

Water-Man
October 13, 2012, 05:38 PM
I've had better luck with the Hornadys at shorter distances but at 200yds. I'd call it a wash.

tcb1709
October 13, 2012, 07:01 PM
I hunt with a 270 using the Hornady SST in a 130 grain load at 2900 fps. I have no problems with any deer that I've shot. All of the bullets fully penetrated and did terrific damage. My rifle shoots a1/2 inch group with load I'm using. I have taken shots out to 250 yrds with excellent results. I have not used the Nosler so I can't comment on them.

Lloyd Smale
October 14, 2012, 05:46 AM
I kind of chuckle at guys that bad mouth bts for deer. I have to wonder how many deer theyve actually shot with them or if there just another wanabe internet expert. Ive shot probably at least a 100 deer with them in various calibers from the 250 sav to the 8mag and the results all had one common denomenator. I ate back straps!

Kachok
October 14, 2012, 08:09 AM
Both work just fine, I use which ever groups the best in each rifle. never had a deer run with either put through his lungs. I like the SST 100pk better then Noslers 50pk for the money.

Skyshot
October 14, 2012, 08:27 AM
I have to say of the some 20 calibers I load for the Noslers are more accurate usually but not always. In fast mid caliber rifles say in the .264 win mag/270/7mag/300mag, both bullets seem to blow up on deer if they are pushed above 3000 fps and the shots are taken at close range at say under 100 yards. So you get a lot of meat damage in that situation. If woods hunting with calibers mentioned I tend to favor a bonded core or heavy jacketed bullet.

Captcurt
October 14, 2012, 12:56 PM
I decline not having shot the SST. My bullet of the moment is the Accubond, but I'm pretty fickle.

MCgunner
October 14, 2012, 06:17 PM
rule303, I have experienced the exact opposite. I have shot 7 deer with ballistic tips. The ranges were from 15 yds to about 125. I've never recovered a bullet.
The fact is, on white tails it doesn't really matter IMO. Either is fine.

+1....me, too Nosler is very accurate, why I shoot it in .30-30 and .308.

hardluk1
October 14, 2012, 08:10 PM
I use both. My 7RM load is a 139gr sst drive at 3400fps. It is very accurate but also shoot thru a krieger barrel and is good for 2" at 400 yards. I bought a buch of the same lot number ammo years ago. Works very well with all chest shoots from 20 feet to 385 yards. Some pass thru's some fragged. Deer hit the ground with in a couple steps. A buddy uses 140gr nbt in a 7mm stw at 3480fps. They hit like lighting. He did liquify one deers chest cavity. That one got hit to far back but never had any run away.
My 308 has shot both NBT's and SST loads. 125gr for both use for close up bottom hunting. The NBT's are a bit more destrutive but neather let deer run more than a couple steps. And the 308 is basicaly as accurate with ether one. The nosler runs at 2985fps from georgia arms and the sst runs at 2698 fps. These are a hornady custom lite load for my daughters.

Try them both and use what shoots best??

JEB
October 16, 2012, 12:58 AM
wow, im kinda surprised to see the votes devided so evenly (50/50 right now). hopefully i will get a chance to test both of them out this season and we will see what happens. keep the opinions coming!

Kachok
October 16, 2012, 05:01 PM
I think you will get reliable penatration out of either the BTs or SSTs as long as you keep impact speeds below the 3k mark, above that you are at risk of a blowup with anything shy of bonded bullets. I usualy push mine to 2600-2900fps and never had a blowup even on close up shots. I have pushed Ballistic Tips to 3300fps+ out of my 270 WSM but I only use that out in the wide open. Some of my rifles like the Nosler better, some like the Horandy, I feed them what they like.

glockky
October 16, 2012, 08:28 PM
I wouldnt worry about either. As for the ballistic tips not penetrating, I have never seen that. I have killed almost all my deer with my handloaded ballistic tips in .243,30-06,and 270 and always got a pass thru. I am hoping to see how some 168gr BT do out of my 300 WSM this fall.

gspn
October 17, 2012, 12:52 AM
I've shot perhaps 80 whitetail with ballistic tips...ranges from 10 to 300 yards, almost all double lung shots. I keep the bullets I find and weigh them. I find that on average (of the bullets I can recover) I get roughly 30% weight retention.

Most of them absolutely come apart in the deer...I get exceptionally few pass through shots. So few in fact that I can't recall one at the moment.

I shoot a 7mm mag.

Now...this isn't NECESSARILY a bad thing. Those bullets turn a deers vitals into mush when they come apart in the boiler room...it's like a small frag grenade went off. I've never lost a deer that I shot with a BT.

However...if I'm hunting in a place where I will need a solid blood trail (thick cover) I opt for a different bullet.

I don't care how well you shoot a deer they can and will run off a ways. I've shot them square in the heart and had them run 100 yards. The only sure hit to drop one on the spot is a central nervous system shot...spine or brain.

Sometimes you find that you get lucky and you shoot them in the lungs and get a "dropped in their tracks" moment...only to find out that the bullet went in and immediately curved upwards to break a vertebrae. I've seen all types of crazy bullet movements inside those animals.

I've only seen one deer shot with the SST so my sample size won't mean much. That bullet was a total failure. Shot from a .243 at a broadside buck standing still at 142 yards the bullet hit the shoulder and failed to penetrate. It absolutely blew up on the meat and never penetrated the chest cavity. 2.5 hours later...and 300 yards away we found that buck. Longest morning of my hunting life.

hardluk1
October 17, 2012, 08:39 AM
You have to place ether of these bullets some where beside on the shoulder. I would not expect ether to do well with a shoulder hit but in the forword chest or base of neck area they both work well. If you want a blood trail use a heavier bonded or all copper bullet and then shoulders are fair game too. I have not in 20 years had a deer leave my sight with either a NBT or SST in the chest but also don't use a 243. Only real field use can verify that.

JEB
October 19, 2012, 12:19 AM
well i did some informal bullet testing with the nosler BT and the hornady SST using lined up water-filled milk jugs. the SST penetrated very well but the jacket seperated. the jacket was left in the fourth jug while the core split the back of the fifth jug. the core and jacket togather weighed 88.8 grains. the nosler remained intact but only penetrated to the fourth jug with no visible impact on the back side of that jug. recovered weight was 104.6 grains. both expaned to roughly the same size (+/- 0.68) but the nosler maintained more of the classic mushroom shape while the hornady was much more over-expanded with the petals reaching much further back than the base of the bullet.

good results from both but i was a little surprised to see that the bullet that retained less weight actually penetrated further.

Ridgerunner665
October 19, 2012, 12:25 AM
4 jugs is typical for a BT, I've probably killed at least 200 jugs with them.

wyohome
October 19, 2012, 12:49 AM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/Deaver/IMGP1477.jpg

The larger hole was the entrance wound. 160 yards, my wife's first shot at any living animal. 150 grain NBT, .308

theblakester
October 20, 2012, 04:17 AM
Ridgerunner665, why did u shoot a 4 point in the first place?

Btw this thread interests me, bc I'm looking for a good hunting round that will preform adequately for large (250+) lb hogs at less than 250 yards in my .308.

Ridgerunner665
October 20, 2012, 03:03 PM
Thats not a 4 point...and I shot him for the meat...he may have been a little short on horns, but he dressed 150 lbs. (4.5 years old)

I "thought" he was a nice tall, wide 6 point...it was getting dark though and the 3-9x scope didn't show me that he was missing a brow tine on one side...he was a nice tall, wide 5 point...

Is this one more to your liking?

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc137/Ridgerunner665/1201111023.jpg

theblakester
October 20, 2012, 07:52 PM
Cool. Yes that pic does do more justice. The first made him look like a 2nd year 4 pt. I originally asked because, the neighbor just next to my dad's ranch, has a bit of land (22 acres) that he bought to hunt on. He has no concern for wildlife management. He will invite several friends per year during weekends, and they will literally shoot anything that moves. Quite frustrating.

Ridgerunner665
October 20, 2012, 08:02 PM
The pics are 2 different deer...

theblakester
October 21, 2012, 05:34 AM
Oh... I'da let him walk. 8s or better.

tahoe2
October 21, 2012, 01:09 PM
That rib cage photo looks pretty much the same as my experience; ....in like a dime, and out like the bottom of a coke can!! 180 grn Ballistic tip in 8mm mauser @ 2600fps on a 150 lb meat deer @ 130 yds, except I hit the shoulder on the way out, helping expansion! That bullet severed the arteries to the heart and destroyed the off shoulder, but resulted in a "bang/flop", = success!!

JEB
October 21, 2012, 10:02 PM
Oh... I'da let him walk. 8s or better.

cant eat the antlers bud ;)

tahoe2
October 22, 2012, 12:53 AM
your right Jeb, any animal taken, in a fair chase hunt is a trophy to me. I would love a trophy rack, but so far that has eluded me, but I am still totally satisfied with my hunts.

JEB
October 22, 2012, 04:42 AM
your right Jeb, any animal taken, in a fair chase hunt is a trophy to me. I would love a trophy rack, but so far that has eluded me, but I am still totally satisfied with my hunts.

how right you are! i have only ever managed to get one buck; an 8-point with just about every tip broken off from fighting. some people would have been dissappointed, but i loved it. HUGE body too! doe, buck, whatever, i just love deer hunting!

courtgreene
October 22, 2012, 11:02 AM
I have switched to interbonds because they were on sale, but I'm glad I did because AFTER buying a bunch of them I tested my Nosler BT's and 150 grains from a .308 did come apart very easily. It got the job done, don't get me wrong, but it did so with the deer running quite some distance first. I hit behind the shoulder and was left with no exit hole. If there wasn't anything better out there, I'd be happy to stick with the BT's, and if they shot better in my rifle than the interbonds I'd be fine with them... but in my barrel the hornadys shoot a little better. All that to say, they all get the job done so find what shoots well in your rifle and go with that. (hopefully I'll test the Hornady's on deer this season)

theblakester
October 22, 2012, 11:53 AM
Nah it's basic wildlife management. Everywhere I've been to hunt deer has a doe, spike and 8s or better rule.

theblakester
October 22, 2012, 11:54 AM
By the way I use the Hornady SSTs try shoot great out of my Remington 870 with 24 inch ported and fully rifled barrel

Patocazador
October 23, 2012, 01:24 PM
I have tried both in the '06. I have since switched to Partitions. The Ballistic Tips were extremely accurate for me, the SST's were OK, but both bullets will fail to penetrate more than a few inches on close shots. I still shoot the Ballistic tips when hunting out west, but for woods range hunting I think something like a Remington Core-Lokt or Nosler partition is a more reliable performer in the 150gr .30 cal.
Ditto that for me. Partitions are the best and are almost as accurate as BTs in my guns.

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