Skunkabilly
January 31, 2003, 08:56 PM
All things considered--laws governing ownership, carry and self-defense, culture of the 20-somethings, and large metropolitan areas, is Arizona or Texas more gun friendly?
Arizona or Texas--Which Is More Gun Friendly?
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rock jock
January 31, 2003, 09:59 PM
That a tough one. Both are great, one might have a slight edge over the other. Which one? I would guess maybe AZ.
NewShooter78
January 31, 2003, 10:45 PM
Well I don't know about those two, but you could venture a bit yonder into LA which is about as gun friendly as you could be, except for maybe New Orleans. Pre-ban full auto allowed, shall permit CCW, loaded hangun anywhere in the car, fair prices (from my experience), and lots of hunting and fishing of all kinds. The only drawback is you must tell a cop you are packing if you get pulled over and temporarily let the cop unarm you.
Art Eatman
January 31, 2003, 10:57 PM
Arizona allows open carry, but that's a bit of an eyebrow raiser to the average citizen...
Probably what's more important is the general attitude of LEOs, which seems pretty much benign in both TX & AZ. LA, too, I guess. But it's that way in most of the western states. (Other than city garbage. Too much politics in the uppermost echelons of PDs.)
By and large, courtesy and common sense, plus staying somewhere close to speed limits, will let a person avoid all manner of problems...
Art
Probably what's more important is the general attitude of LEOs, which seems pretty much benign in both TX & AZ. LA, too, I guess. But it's that way in most of the western states. (Other than city garbage. Too much politics in the uppermost echelons of PDs.)
By and large, courtesy and common sense, plus staying somewhere close to speed limits, will let a person avoid all manner of problems...
Art
ahenry
January 31, 2003, 11:55 PM
Man, I couldn’t say. I think TX might edge out AZ in some self-defense issues. Of course AZ does edge out TX in carry laws since you can open carry in AZ. I’m not all that familiar with AZ, but I do believe its a pretty nice place. I know more than a few folks that got moved there for their job and never wanted to go anywhere else. For whatever that’s worth.
PATH
February 1, 2003, 12:35 AM
Vermont is friendlier than both of them!
Lennyjoe
February 1, 2003, 03:10 AM
Skunk, I think Arizona is the better of the two. Mostly cause Im from there. Well at least I was stationed there and am heading back there.
Lots of gunshows. Plenty of places to shoot. Open carry is cool if you want to. Alot of open carry out away from the big cities. CCW permit is easy enough to get.
Have been to Texas quite a few times but never lived there. Guess thats why Im partial to Arizona.
If you want to come down and take a look around I will be back in Tucson in July. Might even give denfoote a holler. He's just a couple of hours north of us. Leave here first week of June but we are gonna go on a roadtrip to see the family. Montana, Ohio, WVA, Georgia and Florida. Should be back in Tucson after the 4th of July.
Lots of gunshows. Plenty of places to shoot. Open carry is cool if you want to. Alot of open carry out away from the big cities. CCW permit is easy enough to get.
Have been to Texas quite a few times but never lived there. Guess thats why Im partial to Arizona.
If you want to come down and take a look around I will be back in Tucson in July. Might even give denfoote a holler. He's just a couple of hours north of us. Leave here first week of June but we are gonna go on a roadtrip to see the family. Montana, Ohio, WVA, Georgia and Florida. Should be back in Tucson after the 4th of July.
Destructo6
February 1, 2003, 03:15 AM
We should get together. Those two are pretty much my possibilities as well. I'm leaning toward Texas, because I have a buddy living there.
El Tejon
February 1, 2003, 07:14 AM
Skunk, as a semi-pro student venturing to both states every year, I prefer God's Waiting Room. What Art sez about open carry is very true! But out where Hayzeus left his zapatos, no one seems to mind. Watch the AZ state po-po!
King
February 1, 2003, 07:24 PM
No doubt about it.......Texas.....friendly folks (unless some moved here and brought a bad attitude with them). It's a pro-gun state and while there are too many guns laws, LEO is generally tolerant of conceal carry by citizens.
CCW licensing is a bit high at $140 to the state but they check you out pretty thoroughly. I kind of view that as a good thing because it makes firearm acquisiton after the fact a pretty easy deal.
Arizona does have open carry which I wish had.
Arizona ok......Texas :D Well, enough said.......this is Texas!!!!
CCW licensing is a bit high at $140 to the state but they check you out pretty thoroughly. I kind of view that as a good thing because it makes firearm acquisiton after the fact a pretty easy deal.
Arizona does have open carry which I wish had.
Arizona ok......Texas :D Well, enough said.......this is Texas!!!!
Skunkabilly
February 1, 2003, 07:26 PM
Destructo6:We should get together. Those two are pretty much my possibilities as well. I'm leaning toward Texas, because I have a buddy living there.
Come down and we can talk over some Korean tofu. 3 words: HK M4 Uppers.
El Tejon:
1. I prefer God's Waiting Room.
2. Hayzeus left his zapatos, no one seems to mind.
3. Watch the AZ state po-po!
Huh? x3 :confused:
Come down and we can talk over some Korean tofu. 3 words: HK M4 Uppers.
El Tejon:
1. I prefer God's Waiting Room.
2. Hayzeus left his zapatos, no one seems to mind.
3. Watch the AZ state po-po!
Huh? x3 :confused:
Sir Galahad
February 1, 2003, 07:50 PM
I've been tellin' ya, Skunk. ARIZONA! Loaded gun in car? No problem as long as its not concealed. CCW is shall-issue and then you can conceal weapon in car. But take a look at what else we have to offer. NO nife laws! See, in Texas, you can't carry a fixed blade over 5" and in some places there, auto folders are a no no, same with double-edged knives. Not here. All knives are legal here with the exception of actual switchblades. But you can own auto folders, but you have to be 21 and cannot carry them concealed without a CCW. All fixed blades are legal to carry open carry or concealed with CCW. You can carry any size folder concealed without CCW. Percussion weapons are legal here (collapsable batons, regular batons, battle maces, war hammers, etc., etc.) Swords too. Can get automatic weapons with a $200 tax stamp; we have a few dealers that specialize in them. Lots of places to shoot. Ben Avery Shooting Facility is a helluva great range. The right to bear arms is in our state constitution and also in the state constitution is a provision that says no county or city can pass a law that goes against the state constitution. So you don't have to worry about regional liberalism. This state also recognizes self-defense greatly. We have statutes and laws that specify where deadly force is authorized and permissible for civilians.
Besides that, we have a great state. This is beautiful country and full of history and adventure. We've got it all. And we also have better chili than Texas. :D
Besides that, we have a great state. This is beautiful country and full of history and adventure. We've got it all. And we also have better chili than Texas. :D
El Tejon
February 1, 2003, 10:41 PM
Skunk,
God's Waiting Room=>Arizona;
Where Hayzeus left his zapatos=>"Where Jesus left his shoes", Yankee term to designate unpopulated areas, see also B.F.E. ______;
Arizona state po-po=>light triggers on their radar guns.
Arizona gun laws are like the Indiana laws we told you about, Skunk, except for open carry, the cost of the CCW is more, you have to be 21 instead of 18 and wear the mandated hat and elf boots when you carry. You should like God's Waiting Room just wear the tactical black elf boots. Get the gig.:cool:
God's Waiting Room=>Arizona;
Where Hayzeus left his zapatos=>"Where Jesus left his shoes", Yankee term to designate unpopulated areas, see also B.F.E. ______;
Arizona state po-po=>light triggers on their radar guns.
Arizona gun laws are like the Indiana laws we told you about, Skunk, except for open carry, the cost of the CCW is more, you have to be 21 instead of 18 and wear the mandated hat and elf boots when you carry. You should like God's Waiting Room just wear the tactical black elf boots. Get the gig.:cool:
AZTOY
February 1, 2003, 11:18 PM
Arizona:D
There is no 7 day wanting time on pistols.:neener:
"The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired . . . "
Article 2, Section 26, Arizona Constitution
There is no 7 day wanting time on pistols.:neener:
"The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired . . . "
Article 2, Section 26, Arizona Constitution
hankrearden2000
February 1, 2003, 11:30 PM
Arizona is friendlier--especially with regard to the laws governing weapons.
With regard to attitudes, how rare is it to see shopping malls and other businesses in Arizona with the no gun or knife signs posted? It's very common in Texas.
I would have to say that Oklahoma is much mor gunfriendly than Texas. I spent 34 years there and never had a problem from law enforcement, or anyone else, while carrying a gun, legally or illegally. Aside from 7-11s, it's rare to see a no-gun sign posted anywhere.
I'm not trying to start a mass migration from other more enlightened places, like California though.:scrutiny:
With regard to attitudes, how rare is it to see shopping malls and other businesses in Arizona with the no gun or knife signs posted? It's very common in Texas.
I would have to say that Oklahoma is much mor gunfriendly than Texas. I spent 34 years there and never had a problem from law enforcement, or anyone else, while carrying a gun, legally or illegally. Aside from 7-11s, it's rare to see a no-gun sign posted anywhere.
I'm not trying to start a mass migration from other more enlightened places, like California though.:scrutiny:
Skunkabilly
February 2, 2003, 12:03 AM
In Arizona, skunks are illegal but can be acquired from other states with a license, are there any known loopholes where I can get one? I.e. transfer from out of state resident that imported one?
El Tejon, please explain the 'God's Waiting Room'! I'm curious.
Do those radar guns with light triggers Series IIs?
Does anyone know how to mount a gunrack in my post-ban 2002 Honda Crisis Response Vehicle?
How tactical are the women?
El Tejon, please explain the 'God's Waiting Room'! I'm curious.
Do those radar guns with light triggers Series IIs?
Does anyone know how to mount a gunrack in my post-ban 2002 Honda Crisis Response Vehicle?
How tactical are the women?
glirette
February 2, 2003, 02:47 AM
With regard to attitudes, how rare is it to see shopping malls and other businesses in Arizona with the no gun or knife signs posted? It's very common in Texas.
I am maintaining a list of malls and any place for that matter that has a Texas 30.06 sign posted (this means you can't carry there). So far the only mall that I know of in the entire state of Texas that posts a 30.06 sign is Grapevine Mills Mall, do you know of others?
There are other places here and there that do post 30.06 signs but they are rare when you are out and about doing your normal activities.
I am maintaining a list of malls and any place for that matter that has a Texas 30.06 sign posted (this means you can't carry there). So far the only mall that I know of in the entire state of Texas that posts a 30.06 sign is Grapevine Mills Mall, do you know of others?
There are other places here and there that do post 30.06 signs but they are rare when you are out and about doing your normal activities.
hankrearden2000
February 2, 2003, 12:04 PM
It is the Grapevine and Gainsville outlet mall that come immediately to mind, along with convenience stores that sell alcohol for off-site consumption.
Don't forget that it is a FELONY to possess a weapon in, say an Outback steakhouse, if the alcohol sales for that particular day happen to attain 50.000000000000000001% of of total sales.
Don't forget that it is a FELONY to possess a weapon in, say an Outback steakhouse, if the alcohol sales for that particular day happen to attain 50.000000000000000001% of of total sales.
Sir Galahad
February 2, 2003, 01:24 PM
There are not a lot of businesses I've seen here that are posted about firearms except some malls. You cannot carry into a bar here, either. (The bright side to Outback Steakhouse is that at least they provide you with a pretty good knife if it came down to it, LOL! Hank, are you the same Hank from BladeForums?)
How are the women, Skunk? Well, a lot of women here shoot. There isn't the "eeeuuu, a gun" attitude. Even a lot of the granola-heads in this town own guns. I heard a estimate recently that 70% of private vehicles in Arizona have a loaded gun in them. That sounds a little high for metropolitan areas, but in rural areas, you can bank on 80% having loaded guns.
How are the women, Skunk? Well, a lot of women here shoot. There isn't the "eeeuuu, a gun" attitude. Even a lot of the granola-heads in this town own guns. I heard a estimate recently that 70% of private vehicles in Arizona have a loaded gun in them. That sounds a little high for metropolitan areas, but in rural areas, you can bank on 80% having loaded guns.
Jeeper
February 2, 2003, 02:27 PM
As someone who just moved from arizona to Texas I must say that I cant wait to go back. Texas has only 3% public land and 97% private. This means there is no place to just go hunting for cheap. This also realtes to any other outdoor activites. Arizona is the exact opposite. Everything is public. Go hunt and shoot where you want. Arizona also has a more diverse setting. There are tall mountains close to all parts of the state. In addition nothing really beats an Arizona winter.
Plus all the ranges are dirt which makes it easier to find your brass. I cant stand picking brass up out of grass.
Both are very gun friendly with the advantages being split. Arizona's open carry is great for hiking and such(not that it matters in texas since there is no place to hike). Texas definatley has the better laws regarding prosecution of self defense. You can basically shoot and kill people for stealing property and it is completely legal in texas.
My choice hands down would be arizona though.
Plus all the ranges are dirt which makes it easier to find your brass. I cant stand picking brass up out of grass.
Both are very gun friendly with the advantages being split. Arizona's open carry is great for hiking and such(not that it matters in texas since there is no place to hike). Texas definatley has the better laws regarding prosecution of self defense. You can basically shoot and kill people for stealing property and it is completely legal in texas.
My choice hands down would be arizona though.
incursion
February 2, 2003, 06:51 PM
Skunk, transfer to UT Austin and room with me. I'll share my collection if you share yours. :)
BTW UT Austin has the hottest women. Houston has loads of good restaurants, and you can't beat Dallas' $3.99/50 for Blazer 9mm. One time they had a sale for $1.99/50.
BTW UT Austin has the hottest women. Houston has loads of good restaurants, and you can't beat Dallas' $3.99/50 for Blazer 9mm. One time they had a sale for $1.99/50.
El Tejon
February 2, 2003, 07:04 PM
Uhhh, Jeeper, you may want to check on that "killing people for stealing property" statute. There are just a couple of conditions on that.
Hear this repeated on the Errornet. Be a shame for someone to take that literally.
Hear this repeated on the Errornet. Be a shame for someone to take that literally.
DeltaElite
February 2, 2003, 07:21 PM
In Arizona when the cop asks you if there are any guns in your vehicle, if you answer "No", they furnish with a loaner. :neener:
tankertom
February 2, 2003, 07:49 PM
Not a scientific survey but I saw more places posted no guns in 4 days last week in San Antonio than 14 years in Arizona.
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ahenry
February 2, 2003, 08:11 PM
Uh, you do realize that has to be a 30.06 sign don’t you?
You know what though? You’re right Texas is a terrible place. Around here you have to actually own land (and of course there’s not much of it here), there is nothing to hunt unless you mortgage your house, forget hiking or backpacking, we all hate guns, water taste bad, people are likely to get thrown into prison and stay there for a long time ‘cause of the “errornet”, and we hate “ferners”. Please stay out of our state if you think its so bad.
All said in only slight jest.
You know what though? You’re right Texas is a terrible place. Around here you have to actually own land (and of course there’s not much of it here), there is nothing to hunt unless you mortgage your house, forget hiking or backpacking, we all hate guns, water taste bad, people are likely to get thrown into prison and stay there for a long time ‘cause of the “errornet”, and we hate “ferners”. Please stay out of our state if you think its so bad.
All said in only slight jest.
King
February 2, 2003, 08:17 PM
A bidding war huh....I say go on over to Arizona if it suits you Skunk. If you want to come to Texas though, we'll leave the light on and move on over to let you in.
If you've never experienced Texas, it may be one of those things that can't be explained. Arizona is ok, but....it ain't Texas! (Tongue and cheek of course, don't want to offend any of the good desert people out there).
By the way...ain't no Arizona chili better than Texas chili (unless some poor misguied Texan moved to Arizona and took his recipe with him). ;)
If you've never experienced Texas, it may be one of those things that can't be explained. Arizona is ok, but....it ain't Texas! (Tongue and cheek of course, don't want to offend any of the good desert people out there).
By the way...ain't no Arizona chili better than Texas chili (unless some poor misguied Texan moved to Arizona and took his recipe with him). ;)
hankrearden2000
February 3, 2003, 01:28 AM
Yes Sir Galahad, I'm the same old obnoxious Hank from Bladeforums.
Silver Bullet
February 3, 2003, 10:55 AM
In Arizona, skunks are illegal The muzzle blast is too severe.
Both Texas and Arizona are great gun states. Texas seems to have the better self-defense laws, but Arizona's open carry is wonderful.
I brought my chili recipe from Texas.
Both Texas and Arizona are great gun states. Texas seems to have the better self-defense laws, but Arizona's open carry is wonderful.
I brought my chili recipe from Texas.
CatsDieNow
February 3, 2003, 11:15 AM
I recently moved to Texas from Indiana and I think the laws are actually less restrictive in Indiana. Folkes just brag about them more down here.
I don't know about Arizona, but here it takes six months to establish residency for a CHL (and a year for universities).
I don't know about Arizona, but here it takes six months to establish residency for a CHL (and a year for universities).
Skunkabilly
February 3, 2003, 02:00 PM
Hmm...still haven't applied for any jobs yet. I'm trying to decide on finding something right the heck now to get out, or wait till my dream job comes along.
Maybe I should move in to some area, and bring a whole bunch of other immigrants in, watch property values plummet, and buy them out, then open some HUUUUGE range in the middle of the city!!! :D
Maybe I should move in to some area, and bring a whole bunch of other immigrants in, watch property values plummet, and buy them out, then open some HUUUUGE range in the middle of the city!!! :D
Silver Bullet
February 3, 2003, 02:07 PM
Look at it this way: there are only a half dozen states worse than California, so your odds are almost 10-1 that you'll do better than where you are now.
El Tejon
February 3, 2003, 04:09 PM
Skunk, too late, your idea has been tried. We call it East Chicago/Gary, Indiana.
chieftain
February 3, 2003, 10:53 PM
Folks,
As a Zonie, I have only one concession to Texas, and that is state income taxes.
with the state tax I could buy another gun every year!
And Arizona just elected a pro Klinton Socialist, I mean anti gun, I mean liberal, I mean Democratic Governor.
But I love Arizona. Texas talks the talk, Arizona walks the walk!
I carry CCW permits for both Florida and Arizona. That allows me to carry in Texas!
And by the way about the CHilli! Good Texas Chilli hurts going down and coming out!
By the way, I like San Antonio and Austin!
Fred
As a Zonie, I have only one concession to Texas, and that is state income taxes.
with the state tax I could buy another gun every year!
And Arizona just elected a pro Klinton Socialist, I mean anti gun, I mean liberal, I mean Democratic Governor.
But I love Arizona. Texas talks the talk, Arizona walks the walk!
I carry CCW permits for both Florida and Arizona. That allows me to carry in Texas!
And by the way about the CHilli! Good Texas Chilli hurts going down and coming out!
By the way, I like San Antonio and Austin!
Fred
Sir Galahad
February 3, 2003, 11:19 PM
Why, everyone knows Arizona has the best chili! I hear tell some of them Texans put BEANS in their chili!:what: Now, green chili stew is one thing and you need Hatch, New Mexico green chiles for that. But Arizona has the best chili hands down. And I ain't even said nothin' about hominy stew with chile up on the Rez yet!:D
Alan Smithiee
February 3, 2003, 11:26 PM
Idaho.
ahenry
February 4, 2003, 12:58 AM
Why, everyone knows Arizona has the best chili! I hear tell some of them Texans put BEANS in their chili! You need to get off the crack, buddy. :neener: Beans in chili around here might get you shot, and it'll probably have people looking for a rope and tall tree. :D
Silver Bullet
February 4, 2003, 01:46 PM
Texas has the best barbecue ribs. Try the Stateline restaurant in El Paso.
Kaylee
February 4, 2003, 02:10 PM
whoa... Texas won't allow open carry? TEXAS????
ugh... what happened? Is that just in the cities, or anywhere?
-K
ugh... what happened? Is that just in the cities, or anywhere?
-K
No4Mk1
February 4, 2003, 02:27 PM
I'm not sure where folks are spending their time in Texas, but I only very rarely see "no gun" signs anywhere I go. In fact, in the last year, I can count on one hand the number of places that I have seen posted for "no guns".
There is a lot of confusion, especially among those that don't carry regularly in Texas, about the different postings in this state. Many places are required by law to post signs that appear to be "no gun" signs, but in fact are only warnings of the consequences of concealed carry without a CHL.
There is a lot of confusion, especially among those that don't carry regularly in Texas, about the different postings in this state. Many places are required by law to post signs that appear to be "no gun" signs, but in fact are only warnings of the consequences of concealed carry without a CHL.
El Tejon
February 4, 2003, 04:10 PM
Kaylee, it's everywhere. Tejas has a concealment requirement, hence all the posts about printing, the Tejas dress code and such.
No4Mk1, I second that. I see "no gun" signs all over Saint Tony's. However, I mainly hit the touristy areas. Most of the signs are not in compliance with .30-'06 (the international no sign imposed on a pistola with "no firearms" in English and Spanish), thus I suspect that they are for the soccermommies.
No4Mk1, I second that. I see "no gun" signs all over Saint Tony's. However, I mainly hit the touristy areas. Most of the signs are not in compliance with .30-'06 (the international no sign imposed on a pistola with "no firearms" in English and Spanish), thus I suspect that they are for the soccermommies.
Jeeper
February 4, 2003, 04:41 PM
Texas doesnt have state income tax but the property tax is double or triple what arizona is. That more than makes up for the difference. Texas car license is much cheaper though.
Skunkabilly
February 4, 2003, 05:52 PM
What's property tax?
If I rent an apt, will that be relevant for me?
If I rent an apt, will that be relevant for me?
El Tejon
February 4, 2003, 06:14 PM
Yeah, those eeevil Southern landlords don't pass the tax through as cost of rent. They willingly pay from their own pockets.
Skunk, do you think only eeevil corporations pay "business taxes"?:D
Skunk, do you think only eeevil corporations pay "business taxes"?:D
Skunkabilly
February 4, 2003, 06:41 PM
Yeah, those eeevil Southern landlords don't pass the tax through as cost of rent. They willingly pay from their own pockets.
Skunk, do you think only eeevil corporations pay "business taxes"?:D
I know not of what you speak. I don't know the differences between all these taxes.
Californians are trained to cough up the dough without questioning.
Skunk, do you think only eeevil corporations pay "business taxes"?:D
I know not of what you speak. I don't know the differences between all these taxes.
Californians are trained to cough up the dough without questioning.
PWK
February 4, 2003, 07:22 PM
No place to hike. Jeeper you need to get out of town. I know everything in Texas is a bit of a drive, but the TX hill country west of San Antone is loaded with state parks with great hiking trails. Some you can walk all day and not pass another person.
Then there is Big Bend.
Yeh, no state income tax but those property taxes are a killer. If you live in the county rather than the city, not hard to do, the taxes are cheaper unless you live in a housing developement then the MUD's will eat you up. But livin' is just expensive so get used to it friend.
Then there is Big Bend.
Yeh, no state income tax but those property taxes are a killer. If you live in the county rather than the city, not hard to do, the taxes are cheaper unless you live in a housing developement then the MUD's will eat you up. But livin' is just expensive so get used to it friend.
PWK
February 4, 2003, 07:25 PM
That was my first post. I registered right after TFL closed down. Thought I had posted once or twice before now. I didn't realize I'd been so busy as to neglect the important things. Must get out to the gun range this weekend.
ahenry
February 4, 2003, 11:22 PM
Skunk, property tax is a confusing deal. Basically you pay a tax on the value of any property (actual land assets) you own. The rate at which you are taxed depends primarily on the school district you are in as well as the type of improvements on the land. Its a two-edged sword, and I wish it would go away but for the time being we’re stuck with it. To illustrate the complications, my grandmother owns about a sixth of the acreage my grandfather owns (in two widely separate areas of TX), but probably pay’s more than one sixth the amount of property tax he does (somewhat guessing as I don’t do either of their taxes). On the other hand, I don’t pay any property tax cause I rent. Unless you plan on buying land or a house as soon as you got here, it isn’t going to be much of an issue for you. Obviously it would play into long-term plans, but its not something to sweat.
A couple of other points. If you have a CHL you don’t have to go through the NICS process. You pays your money and you walks out with the gun. And as far as the public land issue goes, it should be remembered that even though the percentage of land own publicly is very small (good thing), the total acreage is something over 2 million. That’s a lot of freakin’ land that you can go mess around on without worrying about the owners. Texas isn’t landlocked either, which might be a factor for you coming from CA.
A couple of other points. If you have a CHL you don’t have to go through the NICS process. You pays your money and you walks out with the gun. And as far as the public land issue goes, it should be remembered that even though the percentage of land own publicly is very small (good thing), the total acreage is something over 2 million. That’s a lot of freakin’ land that you can go mess around on without worrying about the owners. Texas isn’t landlocked either, which might be a factor for you coming from CA.
Silver Bullet
February 5, 2003, 02:13 PM
Texas isn’t landlocked either, which might be a factor for you coming from CA
Phoenix is only about six hours from San Diego and L.A. You just have to remember to take your 10-round mags instead of 15-round mags.
I seem to recall that Dallas and Foat Wuth were about 3 hours from the water at Houston. I think most cities in Texas must be farther from the water than that, except Houston, Galveston, Brownsville, etc.
On the other hand, I'll bet the water in the Gulf is much warmer than the Pacific. I found the Pacific ... in San Diego ! ... in August ! ... to be too cold for swimming. Those surfer dudes are a tough bunch.
Phoenix is only about six hours from San Diego and L.A. You just have to remember to take your 10-round mags instead of 15-round mags.
I seem to recall that Dallas and Foat Wuth were about 3 hours from the water at Houston. I think most cities in Texas must be farther from the water than that, except Houston, Galveston, Brownsville, etc.
On the other hand, I'll bet the water in the Gulf is much warmer than the Pacific. I found the Pacific ... in San Diego ! ... in August ! ... to be too cold for swimming. Those surfer dudes are a tough bunch.
ahenry
February 5, 2003, 02:55 PM
That’s true Silver Bullet. If Skunk were to live in say El Paso it would probably be a 12 to 13 hour drive to get to a good TX beach. My point however, is that if living close to the ocean is something he looks for, he does have that option.
Silver Bullet
February 5, 2003, 03:20 PM
Ahh, good point. I was thinking in terms of his living "inland" and having to drive across Texas to get to the beach. But, you're right, he has the option to live near the Gulf coast, buy himself a shrimp boat, and become part of the fleet ! :-)
By the way, your response to Huntingnut a few months ago over at TFL in a discussion of the history of the Alamo was the most impressive reply I ever read in a TFL thread. Huntingnut jumped in with a carefully prepared statement regarding the loyalties of the Texas settlers and Santa Ana. His statement was, judging by all the other replies in the thread, about 98% true with two little "factoids" thrown in that completely changed the complexion (no pun intended :-) ) of the issue being discussed. You immediately answered back and skewered his "presentation" by calling his hand on the revisionist insertions. I was blown away by your scholarly understanding of the history, the sagaciousness by which you identified the bogus points, and the conviction and boldness of the tone of your reply.
This is about Texas, so we're still on topic !
By the way, your response to Huntingnut a few months ago over at TFL in a discussion of the history of the Alamo was the most impressive reply I ever read in a TFL thread. Huntingnut jumped in with a carefully prepared statement regarding the loyalties of the Texas settlers and Santa Ana. His statement was, judging by all the other replies in the thread, about 98% true with two little "factoids" thrown in that completely changed the complexion (no pun intended :-) ) of the issue being discussed. You immediately answered back and skewered his "presentation" by calling his hand on the revisionist insertions. I was blown away by your scholarly understanding of the history, the sagaciousness by which you identified the bogus points, and the conviction and boldness of the tone of your reply.
This is about Texas, so we're still on topic !
ahenry
February 5, 2003, 08:22 PM
Aw shucks.
:o
:o
Silver Bullet
February 5, 2003, 09:53 PM
:cool:
twoblink
February 5, 2003, 10:21 PM
I can tell you this:
I was at the Alamo, and walking around, saw quite a few 6" revolvers on the hips, and some even had their big Bowie knives hanging out. I was chatting with a cop, and I asked if the open carry was legal.. He said to me "I don't think so, but come on, this is in front of the Alamo!! I'm not going to arrest a man for wear a gun in front of the Alamo! That's, well, that's... just... " and he trailed off...
I have a friend who lives in a small part of Texas, the city actually doesn't allow for open carry, but you know what? I don't think any of the 600 people in the city care; and the sheriff? Well, he says he only cares if you are carrying and don't live in that town... With only 600 people, I'm sure he knows them all by name too...
My friends who live OUTSIDE of the major cities in AZ tell me the cops have the same general attitude as well...
I was at the Alamo, and walking around, saw quite a few 6" revolvers on the hips, and some even had their big Bowie knives hanging out. I was chatting with a cop, and I asked if the open carry was legal.. He said to me "I don't think so, but come on, this is in front of the Alamo!! I'm not going to arrest a man for wear a gun in front of the Alamo! That's, well, that's... just... " and he trailed off...
I have a friend who lives in a small part of Texas, the city actually doesn't allow for open carry, but you know what? I don't think any of the 600 people in the city care; and the sheriff? Well, he says he only cares if you are carrying and don't live in that town... With only 600 people, I'm sure he knows them all by name too...
My friends who live OUTSIDE of the major cities in AZ tell me the cops have the same general attitude as well...
Skunkabilly
March 10, 2003, 03:33 PM
Bump. Job interview later this month in Arizona! Reehaw!
El Tejon
March 10, 2003, 04:42 PM
Skunk, wrong state. In GWR, "Reehaw" is either "Whaaat?" or "Aaaaah, my back".
Silver Bullet
March 10, 2003, 05:31 PM
Good news for Arizona ! I'll share my chili recipe with you as a welcoming gift !
Another resource for finding jobs here is
www.azcentral.com.
Another resource for finding jobs here is
www.azcentral.com.
.45Ruger
March 10, 2003, 08:43 PM
Still voting AZ because open carry is legal. I live in Phoenix and have never even gotten a strange look let alone a snide comment.
Jeff Thomas
March 10, 2003, 09:42 PM
Skunkabilly, I lived in AZ over 30 years, and just moved to TX last year for business reasons.
Still getting used to TX, but I see it as a push.
First, in AZ, avoid Tucson. Most liberal part of the state, and that is sad, as the terrain there is beautiful. Great example of Sonoran Desert. Otherwise, most of AZ is great. Open carry is nice, but I only used it when hiking ... still, it was handy to be able to carry a nice stainless revolver for whatever might come up, including some impromptu plinking. CCW reasonable, and lots of gun-friendly people. Still ... the state is undergoing a slow turn to the left, my friend. Newly-elected Napolitano is a real problem ... very liberal, and coy about her true political bent, as well as her personal habits. The vast amount of public land is a treat, though the fed's have begun reducing our freedom to shoot in the National Forests. Very sneaky about it, too.
In TX, the CHL is reasonable to get. Lots of friendly folks. Interestingly enough, I do think there are fewer LEO's here. Just don't seem to see them as much as in AZ, and while I generally like LEO's just fine, it's also OK if they don't seem to be hanging around every corner with a radar gun. The lack of state income taxes is great, but the property taxes AND the home insurance are real killers. You can get a much better deal on a quality house here in TX, but I very much wonder if the outrageous property taxes and insurance are holding down the home appreciation here ... a double-edged sword. Lots of gun shows in the DFW area ... seems like many more than AZ. And ... this is important ... there is a lot of business activity here. Many corporate HQ's, and a generally stronger economy. AZ has been suffering, and while TX is weak, it is still doing better than Phoenix.
You'll like either state, I do believe. AZ has great, accessible natural beauty. Been working too much to really enjoy TX yet, but they have a lot of beauty here as well. It just takes 7 hours to drive there! Heck, you can drive 9 hours to El Paso, and you're still in TX, and halfway to LA. This place is huge.
Good luck with your decision. And, thank goodness you haven't found yourself destined for a barbaric state such as CA, IL or MA!
Regards from TX
Still getting used to TX, but I see it as a push.
First, in AZ, avoid Tucson. Most liberal part of the state, and that is sad, as the terrain there is beautiful. Great example of Sonoran Desert. Otherwise, most of AZ is great. Open carry is nice, but I only used it when hiking ... still, it was handy to be able to carry a nice stainless revolver for whatever might come up, including some impromptu plinking. CCW reasonable, and lots of gun-friendly people. Still ... the state is undergoing a slow turn to the left, my friend. Newly-elected Napolitano is a real problem ... very liberal, and coy about her true political bent, as well as her personal habits. The vast amount of public land is a treat, though the fed's have begun reducing our freedom to shoot in the National Forests. Very sneaky about it, too.
In TX, the CHL is reasonable to get. Lots of friendly folks. Interestingly enough, I do think there are fewer LEO's here. Just don't seem to see them as much as in AZ, and while I generally like LEO's just fine, it's also OK if they don't seem to be hanging around every corner with a radar gun. The lack of state income taxes is great, but the property taxes AND the home insurance are real killers. You can get a much better deal on a quality house here in TX, but I very much wonder if the outrageous property taxes and insurance are holding down the home appreciation here ... a double-edged sword. Lots of gun shows in the DFW area ... seems like many more than AZ. And ... this is important ... there is a lot of business activity here. Many corporate HQ's, and a generally stronger economy. AZ has been suffering, and while TX is weak, it is still doing better than Phoenix.
You'll like either state, I do believe. AZ has great, accessible natural beauty. Been working too much to really enjoy TX yet, but they have a lot of beauty here as well. It just takes 7 hours to drive there! Heck, you can drive 9 hours to El Paso, and you're still in TX, and halfway to LA. This place is huge.
Good luck with your decision. And, thank goodness you haven't found yourself destined for a barbaric state such as CA, IL or MA!
Regards from TX
Skunkabilly
March 19, 2003, 09:56 PM
OK the job interview is Friday and I'm driving out tomorrow in the morning.
223 burnt offerings to your favorite deity! I need intervention!
Any fun gun shops to visit so I can drool at all the forbidden fruit?
223 burnt offerings to your favorite deity! I need intervention!
Any fun gun shops to visit so I can drool at all the forbidden fruit?
twoblink
March 20, 2003, 01:40 AM
Skunk,
I know 3 LEO's in TX... who will pull up over, and if you own a gun they don't own... they will "test fire" it... of course "for your safety" :D
The LEO's I know in TX are very cool, as are the AZ ones. They raise an eyebrow to foreigners (what one of the LEO's called PRK people) but if you spit on the french and PRK government, they will become buddies with you in no time.
Texas. AZ. Both are infinitely better then PRK.
I know 3 LEO's in TX... who will pull up over, and if you own a gun they don't own... they will "test fire" it... of course "for your safety" :D
The LEO's I know in TX are very cool, as are the AZ ones. They raise an eyebrow to foreigners (what one of the LEO's called PRK people) but if you spit on the french and PRK government, they will become buddies with you in no time.
Texas. AZ. Both are infinitely better then PRK.
TheEgg
March 20, 2003, 11:56 AM
If you move here, you will have to buy your own pickup truck, but you will be issued, free of of charge, a new best friend named "Cooter".
Jesse H
March 20, 2003, 12:05 PM
Skunk:
Move to Houston...I need to introduce you to Shiner Bock. Besides, I need more tactical shooting buddies.
Speaking of shooting buddies...
No4Mk1:
We haven't hit the range in awhile, this weekend perhaps?
Move to Houston...I need to introduce you to Shiner Bock. Besides, I need more tactical shooting buddies.
Speaking of shooting buddies...
No4Mk1:
We haven't hit the range in awhile, this weekend perhaps?
incursion
March 20, 2003, 01:38 PM
Jesse H, do you shoot at ASC? We should meet up some time.
Smoke
March 20, 2003, 02:33 PM
Ok....I am extemely biased. I have never lived in Arizona. I have only been there once for a long weekend while my sister lived there and one other time when the family did the "Grizwalds go to Wally world trip". I have driven straight across it a couple of times. With that said:
Texas is better!
We have mexican food, not that fake stuff you find in NM & AZ.
We have the best chili (No beans)
We have the best beer.
We have guns.
Privately owned land is a good thing! Buy some for yourself and have your own range.
Property taxes are the equivilant of state income tax, just a different way to go about it.
Cops will often let you go with a warning if you flash your CHL.
It rains in Texas. (East Texas anyway)
We have the Davis Mountains and the Gulf of Mexico.
We have The Alamo (said with reverance)
We have the Hill Country.
We have the Palo Duro Canyon.
WE have the Piney Woods and the Big Thicket.
We have Thunder Ranch and Gunsite (among others)
We have the friendlist people. (Not necessarily in the big cities....get out a little.)
Texas has the most beautiful women in the world!
To respond to others posts:
NewShooter78
The only drawback is you must tell a cop you are packing if you get pulled over and temporarily let the cop unarm you.
Yes you must tell him you are armed, and he can disarm you if he wants. Never found one that wanted to ...yet.
AZTOY
There is no 7 day wanting time on pistols
Not here either!:neener:
hankrearden2000
Don't forget that it is a FELONY to possess a weapon in, say an Outback steakhouse, if the alcohol sales for that particular day happen to attain 50.000000000000000001% of of total sales.
Thats 51.0000000000000000001%
Jeeper
Plus all the ranges are dirt which makes it easier to find your brass. I cant stand picking brass up out of grass.
Just east of I35.:D
You can basically shoot and kill people for stealing property and it is completely legal in texas.
Yeah, but I don't think I'd try it....:uhoh:
CatsDieNow
I recently moved to Texas from Indiana and I think the laws are actually less restrictive in Indiana. Folkes just brag about them more down here.
We brag on EVERYTHING more!:D
chieftain
And by the way about the CHilli! Good Texas Chilli hurts going down and coming out!
Ain't it so true. Get to enjoy it twice!
Silver Bullet
I seem to recall that Dallas and Foat Wuth were about 3 hours from the water at Houston.
Your car must be WAAAAYYYYYY faster than mine. Three hours from Dallas will get you somewhere between Waco and Austin. You'd be about a third of the way there.
twoblink
I know 3 LEO's in TX... who will pull up over, and if you own a gun they don't own... they will "test fire" it... of course "for your safety"
Not mine they won't! Let them waste their own ammo! Where are they gonna fire it anyway? Tell them it is against the law to discharge a firearm on a public roadway.:D
TheEgg
If you move here, you will have to buy your own pickup truck, but you will be issued, free of of charge, a new best friend named "Cooter".
Or Billy Joe, or Jim Bob, or Bubba, or Earl Ray, and we'll fix you up with Billie Jo, or Jimmie Sue, or Rheadine.
Jesse H
Move to Houston...I need to introduce you to Shiner Bock.
Sorry but as much as I love the Great State of Texas I wouldn't advise anyone to move to Houston. But if he does, introduce him to Lone Star, Pearl, and Ziegenbach too!:D
Skunk,
What line of work are you in? There is bound to be something here for you. And I can help you put a gunrack in your Honda, I have a welder we'll get it in there somehow:eek:
Texas is better!
We have mexican food, not that fake stuff you find in NM & AZ.
We have the best chili (No beans)
We have the best beer.
We have guns.
Privately owned land is a good thing! Buy some for yourself and have your own range.
Property taxes are the equivilant of state income tax, just a different way to go about it.
Cops will often let you go with a warning if you flash your CHL.
It rains in Texas. (East Texas anyway)
We have the Davis Mountains and the Gulf of Mexico.
We have The Alamo (said with reverance)
We have the Hill Country.
We have the Palo Duro Canyon.
WE have the Piney Woods and the Big Thicket.
We have Thunder Ranch and Gunsite (among others)
We have the friendlist people. (Not necessarily in the big cities....get out a little.)
Texas has the most beautiful women in the world!
To respond to others posts:
NewShooter78
The only drawback is you must tell a cop you are packing if you get pulled over and temporarily let the cop unarm you.
Yes you must tell him you are armed, and he can disarm you if he wants. Never found one that wanted to ...yet.
AZTOY
There is no 7 day wanting time on pistols
Not here either!:neener:
hankrearden2000
Don't forget that it is a FELONY to possess a weapon in, say an Outback steakhouse, if the alcohol sales for that particular day happen to attain 50.000000000000000001% of of total sales.
Thats 51.0000000000000000001%
Jeeper
Plus all the ranges are dirt which makes it easier to find your brass. I cant stand picking brass up out of grass.
Just east of I35.:D
You can basically shoot and kill people for stealing property and it is completely legal in texas.
Yeah, but I don't think I'd try it....:uhoh:
CatsDieNow
I recently moved to Texas from Indiana and I think the laws are actually less restrictive in Indiana. Folkes just brag about them more down here.
We brag on EVERYTHING more!:D
chieftain
And by the way about the CHilli! Good Texas Chilli hurts going down and coming out!
Ain't it so true. Get to enjoy it twice!
Silver Bullet
I seem to recall that Dallas and Foat Wuth were about 3 hours from the water at Houston.
Your car must be WAAAAYYYYYY faster than mine. Three hours from Dallas will get you somewhere between Waco and Austin. You'd be about a third of the way there.
twoblink
I know 3 LEO's in TX... who will pull up over, and if you own a gun they don't own... they will "test fire" it... of course "for your safety"
Not mine they won't! Let them waste their own ammo! Where are they gonna fire it anyway? Tell them it is against the law to discharge a firearm on a public roadway.:D
TheEgg
If you move here, you will have to buy your own pickup truck, but you will be issued, free of of charge, a new best friend named "Cooter".
Or Billy Joe, or Jim Bob, or Bubba, or Earl Ray, and we'll fix you up with Billie Jo, or Jimmie Sue, or Rheadine.
Jesse H
Move to Houston...I need to introduce you to Shiner Bock.
Sorry but as much as I love the Great State of Texas I wouldn't advise anyone to move to Houston. But if he does, introduce him to Lone Star, Pearl, and Ziegenbach too!:D
Skunk,
What line of work are you in? There is bound to be something here for you. And I can help you put a gunrack in your Honda, I have a welder we'll get it in there somehow:eek:
ambidextrous1
March 20, 2003, 03:19 PM
A most educational and entertaining thread!
Skunk, be careful while you're in Arizona; I have been told that public urination there is treated as a SEX CRIME!
Being from Southern Kalifornia, you are undoubtedly aware that Los Angeles has NO law against public urination - and, in my experience, it seems to be encouraged !
:uhoh:
Skunk, be careful while you're in Arizona; I have been told that public urination there is treated as a SEX CRIME!
Being from Southern Kalifornia, you are undoubtedly aware that Los Angeles has NO law against public urination - and, in my experience, it seems to be encouraged !
:uhoh:
Nightfall
March 21, 2003, 01:27 AM
I didn't learn too much about gun laws or such from this thread, but I damn sure got a cravin' for chilli! :D
Skunkabilly
March 22, 2003, 01:22 AM
Well I'm back from the interview. 300+ people applied, 18 people were chosen to do the intervew, so I have an alright shot at it. I hear back in 2 weeks.
AZ guns stores are nice but IMO the selection wasn't as good as I thought they would be.
Each place I went to only had a few black things most of them seemed to be used, consignments, etc.
I guess I was expecting mountains of AR-15s? The HK91s looked nice. Stuff was overpriced, it's cheaper out here in CA (at least the things you can get), and sales tax is less :eek:
I saw a Beretta Billenium, the single action with carbon fiber grips (110% Skunk) NIB which looked tempting and I will definitely get one when I move out of state.
I visited 5 gun stores in Phoenix, but wasn't overly impressed. I should have done some research before taking off to see where the cool stores were.
Class III seems interesting, but not sure if I want to pay $10000 for a novelty?
AZ guns stores are nice but IMO the selection wasn't as good as I thought they would be.
Each place I went to only had a few black things most of them seemed to be used, consignments, etc.
I guess I was expecting mountains of AR-15s? The HK91s looked nice. Stuff was overpriced, it's cheaper out here in CA (at least the things you can get), and sales tax is less :eek:
I saw a Beretta Billenium, the single action with carbon fiber grips (110% Skunk) NIB which looked tempting and I will definitely get one when I move out of state.
I visited 5 gun stores in Phoenix, but wasn't overly impressed. I should have done some research before taking off to see where the cool stores were.
Class III seems interesting, but not sure if I want to pay $10000 for a novelty?
Skunkabilly
May 9, 2003, 09:55 PM
Didn't get the job :(
Meow
May 9, 2003, 10:37 PM
Run! Skunk! Run!
Get out of the Liberal Culvert California!
Run to the Desert! Run!
Run to the Forest! Run!
Run to the Swamp or wherever you want!
Anything but Liberal Culvert Cal-ee-forn-ya!
Copy right 2003 by Meow yes skunk you may use it as you please
My first song
Get out of the Liberal Culvert California!
Run to the Desert! Run!
Run to the Forest! Run!
Run to the Swamp or wherever you want!
Anything but Liberal Culvert Cal-ee-forn-ya!
Copy right 2003 by Meow yes skunk you may use it as you please
My first song
Desert Dog
May 10, 2003, 05:18 AM
Smoke, you actually call that Tex-Mex stuff Mexican food??? That wasn't what we called it... :rolleyes: I believe the word "gringo" comes to mind... :D "Weak" is another... :rolleyes:
Us folks in NM have it the best... AZ on one side, and TX on the other. Open carry is legal here, but there are quite a few of the "300.06" signs around. BLM land is everywhere so there are no issues with finding places to shoot.
For me, it is just too darn hot in AZ, and entirely too humid in TX... But that is just me...
Mike
Us folks in NM have it the best... AZ on one side, and TX on the other. Open carry is legal here, but there are quite a few of the "300.06" signs around. BLM land is everywhere so there are no issues with finding places to shoot.
For me, it is just too darn hot in AZ, and entirely too humid in TX... But that is just me...
Mike
Elminster
May 11, 2003, 09:32 PM
You should seriously consider the San Antonio area (not that I'm biased or anything of course ;))
If you're looking for a techie job I can probably point you in the right direction...
If you're looking for a techie job I can probably point you in the right direction...
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