AR-15 Optic? Aimpoint or Eotech


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newglockguy
October 16, 2012, 10:47 PM
I have a Magpul MBUS as my rear sight right now but I want to put a red dot optic on my AR as well. However, I'm stuck in a rut deciding between Aimpoint or Eotech. I've heard good things about both but I've also heard people are ditching Eotech for Aimpoint. Thoughts?

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creeper1956
October 16, 2012, 10:56 PM
Your best bet is to do a search of red dot (reflex) vs. holographic sight systems. They both have positive and negative elements... battery life, reticle types etc etc.
If your search-foo sucks... this (http://ultimak.com/UnderstandingE-sights.htm) is one of the better and more detailed comparisons on the web.

C

CDR_Glock
October 16, 2012, 11:05 PM
I have an Eotech with 3x magnifier. Major negatives are weight and battery life. Major advantage is being able to see the reticle with both eyes because a larger field of view. It also allows me to see the flip up sights - especially with the 3x magnifier since it flips to the side.

My latest Carbine has an Aimpoint T-1. Battery life and weight are excellent. Disadvantage is the smaller field of view. It allows me using the flip up sights by viewing the flip up sights through the reticle. My carbine is just under 7 lbs and the Aimpoint adds to that advanatge.

briansmithwins
October 16, 2012, 11:27 PM
The downsides of the EoTech are short battery life and reliability.

With the Aimpoints you turn it on and leave it on, for years. Too many guys I shoot with have had problems with Eotechs dying while shooting for me to trust them.

BSW

floorit76
October 16, 2012, 11:30 PM
I love my eotech, but many here say they aren't reliable. The sight picture is just what I was after. I'm not chasing bad guys, so even if it were to croak it would be inconvinient, not fatal.

Welding Rod
October 17, 2012, 01:19 AM
I have 2 or 3 each of the EO, T-1, and M4S. If I was getting another for a AR, it would be a M4S. I have a T-1 on my 10/22, and it is great, but I like the M4S better for an AR, and either better than the EO for anything.

The EO is OK, I had one bad one out of the box that was too dim. I didn't realize it until I tried to use it in bright for the first time after it was already out of warranty. EO charged me ~ $80 to fix it.

The EO is OK, but I prefer the Aimpoints' simple dots, battery life, ergonomics, and styling.

Girodin
October 17, 2012, 01:59 AM
I prefer aimpoints to eotechs. For an AR my preference is the micro (either a T1 or H1). Although for the money the PRO is a real good option.

MrCleanOK
October 17, 2012, 02:47 AM
I have used the EOTech 512, XPS-2, Aimpoint CompM2, and CompM4/M4S. I owned the 512, and sold it to upgrade to the XPS line. I preferred the transverse axis battery orientation, and the 1x CR123 vs 2x AA battery configuration. I like the EOTech reticle, it's why I chose that line of optics for my personal rifles. You will hear more reports of EOTechs dying than you will Aimpoints, but my personal rifle really doesn't get knocked around much. If the the EOTech dies, as someone else has said, it's probably going to be an inconvenience for me. I am assuming the extremely miniscule risk that my optic may fail at the very moment I need to shoot a bad guy in the face, in order to get an optic with a reticle, battery, and price that I like.

I have used the Aimpoints listed above on my work rifles. I would not trade my EOTech for a CompM2 or PRO (even though they are comparable in price) because I prefer the A.65 reticle to the Aimpoint's single dot, and I don't like the funky battery that the CompM2 & PRO require. Yes, the battery life is crazy long, but every few years I would still have to go find one of those batteries and I just don't want to. On features alone, I would consider using a CompM4S in lieu of my personal EOTech, as the M4S uses a AA battery and is proven to be more reliable, but the price a dealbreaker there.

Aimpoints win on reliability, it's my opinion that EOTechs win on features. Unless you seriously, really, professionally stand a chance of living of dying by your rifle every day, the differences between the two are negligible. You're going to get a good optic either way, so pick what makes you happy.

justice06rr
October 17, 2012, 02:47 AM
Both are great optics, but personally I would go with Eotechs for the better viewing and true 2-eyes target acquisition. The issue of battery life is over-blown; its not that hard to carry spare batteries or just change them every couple of months. Aimpoints are great with battery life of course, but would you really leave them on for years? I wouldn't.

Weight is not an issue for me when you already have so many other accesories hanging on your rifle. if I wanted lightweight i'd stick with a bare M4 with irons only.

So take your pick and see which works for you. both are good optics; it will all depend on your preference.

EMS_92
October 17, 2012, 03:00 AM
Aimpoints tend to be more durable, and yes there battery life is ridiculous "Look! I dont have to turn it off and it last years!" which is great but how hard is it to push a button or change a set of batteries? No experience with the EOTeh though, just think they get a bad rep for no reason. With that said, id still pick a Aimpoint COMP ML3 (or M3 if you need night vision) and stick it in an American Defense AD-68 mount :)

MrCleanOK
October 17, 2012, 03:38 AM
Guys who are touting the EOTechs as "two eyes open optics" as if Aimpoints aren't, you seem to be missing the point. Both optics are intended to be used the same way, that is: both eyes open, focused on your target, one eye happens to perceive the reticle by way of looking through the optic.

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MrCleanOK
October 17, 2012, 03:45 AM
Aimpoints are great with battery life of course, but would you really leave them on for years?

Would, and do. Depending on who you are, and why you need a rifle, there may or may not be time to turn an optic on and adjust the reticle brightness. You could "what if" it all day, but if you have the ability to leave an optic on indefinitely, why wouldn't you?

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MistWolf
October 17, 2012, 05:35 AM
I am a batteryphobe. I don't want anything on my rifle that takes a battery I need to change all the time. I have an Aimpoint H1 that's been on for close to a year and there is no dimming of the dot and it does not have an "OFF" position. Pick the rifle up and the red dot is always there, just like iron sights.

I like that

cfullgraf
October 17, 2012, 09:08 AM
I have not used an Aimpoint, so I will not compare the two. I do like my Eotech. I will try an Aimpoint at some point.

But, one of my requirements was that it used batteries that were readily available. AA batteries are in abundance, some of the others may be not so easy to find at times.

Of course, the down side is the AA battery powered sites are bigger.

W.E.G.
October 17, 2012, 09:15 AM
When batteries are hard to get, AA's will be as hard to get as 123's.
As in, you won't be able to get either one.
Its not like the Taliban is going to bomb the 123 factory, while the AA factory keeps on shipping.

Actually might be harder to get AA's, as the shelf-life of an AA is considerably less than a 123.

Older EOTECHS (like the ubiquitous 512) with the in-line battery array, have undeniable battery-terminal/compartment issues. The newer EOTECH models with the sideways-battery may eliminate that issue.

benEzra
October 17, 2012, 10:14 AM
The Aimpoint has longer battery life; the Eotech has a larger field of view that may make it slightly faster to pick up, the dot is as small as you can get (sub-MOA, making it great for use with a magnifier), and the bottom of the circle provides a nice aiming point for very close range.

For use in very bad weather or severe mud, they are both waterproof but the Aimpoint is easier to fit with flip-open lens covers (though they do make them for the Eotech).

I have an Eotech 516 myself and really like it. I change the batteries about once a year.

guyfromohio
October 17, 2012, 10:49 AM
I battled with this same dilemma. Ultimately, I ended up ordering a 1-4x scope. I'll let you know what I think after I mount it.

JustinJ
October 17, 2012, 11:19 AM
Definitely aimpoint. I do prefer the eotech reticle but it's not much use if the battery is dead or the thing breaks. Aimpoints are nearly indestructible with insane battery life. For home defense its a great advantage to not need to worry about turning on the optic or worrying about battery life. Both eotechs i've owned drain batteries even when off.

jem375
October 17, 2012, 11:27 AM
I have an EOTech 512 on one of my AR's and it is all I need for a red dot.. works just great and doesn't cost as much as some others and does the job just as good..

Destructo6
October 17, 2012, 11:30 AM
I've seen plenty of Eotechs and Aimpoints break (in addition to Acogs). They were abused in ways none of us will do to our personal weapons. I don't really see one being significantly more durable than the other.

Battery life is great with the Aimpoint, but I prefer the reticle of the Eotech as well as its nearly unrestriced field of view.

Creature
October 17, 2012, 11:30 AM
I prefer the Eotech myself.

The EOTech is a true Holographic weapon sight. The advantage over the Aimpoint is that what you are seeing through the EOTech is a laser generated hologram, which puts the reticule out at the same focal plane as the target. When your eyes are focused on the intended threat, the illuminated reticule will also be in crisp focus.

Another advantage is that the EOTech is completely parallax free...it makes no difference to accuracy if your cheek weld is correct or not.

The proper way to use the EOTech is NOT to look through it the way you would typically peer through a rifle scope. Keep both eyes open and only look at (and focus on) the threat/target and allow the lighted reticule to superimpose itself into your total sight picture.

I dont worry about battery life as much as some others do simply because the Eotech has an 8-hour automatic shutoff. If the batteries do die, I have spares with the rifle in my CAA stock's storage compartment.

Also, I have found that the Aimpoint can washout in bright light, making the aim dot very difficult to pick up when compared the brighter settings on the Eotech.

JustinJ
October 17, 2012, 11:33 AM
Also, I have found that the Aimpoint can washout in bright light, making the aim dot very difficult to pick up when compared the brighter settings on the Eotech.

I've had the exact opposite experience. Some eotech models may be brighter than others but on a bright Texas day i've found it a challenge to see the eotech reticle. I've never had that promblem with my aimpoint.

Fishbed77
October 17, 2012, 12:35 PM
Aimpoints tend to be more durable, and yes there battery life is ridiculous "Look! I dont have to turn it off and it last years!" which is great but how hard is it to push a button or change a set of batteries?

Harder than having the rifle ready to go at all times.

I love my Aimpoint PRO. I can treat it just like iron sights. Always ready to go with nothing to fumble with.

josiewales
October 17, 2012, 01:00 PM
get them both and send the one you don't like to me. Seriously!

Girodin
October 17, 2012, 02:29 PM
I don't like the funky battery that the CompM2 & PRO require. Yes, the battery life is crazy long, but every few years I would still have to go find one of those batteries and I just don't want to.

Its not like the batteries are particularly difficult to come by. 123s are also the batteries that a fair number of lights use. The micro's 2032s are also very easy to find One can also buy a big box of either of them. I have a box of 12 123s sitting on my shelf right now. Furthermore, there are a lot of options for storing a couple spare batteries on the gun itself. For an aimpoint micro that means you cold easily have 2-3 batteries on the gun and not have to worry about finding another one for 15 years. Some of us wont even be around to worry about it then.

Also, I have found that the Aimpoint can washout in bright light, making the aim dot very difficult to pick up when compared the brighter settings on the Eotech.

I have never experienced that with an aimpoint. I have with other sights but non of the aimpoints I own or have used. Even on very bright days I've had enough settings.

I will say it is tragic one cannot get an aimpoint with this reticle:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR2FYb0yLuUvWXGs5g8PIMo4Vmg1sGnQSyuTrIDKzv_jZGjGGkMZA

waterhouse
October 17, 2012, 02:57 PM
Aimpoints are great with battery life of course, but would you really leave them on for years? I wouldn't.

I do. My T1 made it over 5 years, and might have gone longer but I switched batteries when I put in on my work rifle. It is always on. I can hit the gun lock button in the car, grab the rifle, and be ready to go. I've seen other guys respond to an active shooter call and the first thing they are doing is turning their Eotech on. This may not be a concern to some, but having that dot always on is pretty important to me.

I prefer the Eotech reticle, but over the years I've broken two of them and the battery life of the aimpoint means I can deal with the dot.

Fishbed77
October 17, 2012, 04:04 PM
Aimpoints are great with battery life of course, but would you really leave them on for years? I wouldn't.

My PRO has been turned on for 1.5 years so far. There's no reason to ever turn it off.

I plan on just replacing the battery on a 3-year schedule (though the battery life is supposedly a bit longer).

horsemen61
October 17, 2012, 04:13 PM
I have used both and I prefer the Aimpoint.

Skribs
October 17, 2012, 04:15 PM
I've not tried either personally (too expensive for me on my current financial situation), but I've read a lot of negative reviews regarding the battery life of EoTechs. Not only are they already a drain on batteries compared to Aimpoint, but I've read stories of them draining the battery even while off. Personally, I'd go Aimpoint or Trijicon for a RDS if you want a high-end one.

Girodin
October 17, 2012, 04:26 PM
Aimpoints are great with battery life of course, but would you really leave them on for years? I wouldn't.

Yes, the models I own don't even really have an "off" setting. You can turn them down to the NV settings. I've read (I want to say in material from aimpoint) the battery life turned down to lowest the night vision setting is about 10 years. Unless I know I'm putting it away for a long time, I leave it on a visible setting. There is no reason not to. I can easily afford.

joed
October 17, 2012, 04:59 PM
I went with the EOTech 512 which uses AA batteries. Sure, I don't get the life of an Aimpoint but you can get AA batteries just about anywhere. Not sure what battery the Aimpoint uses.

Tim the student
October 17, 2012, 05:06 PM
I've used both in combat. Both will likely be much more durable than you need them to be. (Both have survived jumps, IED's, falls etc etc.) I don't recall having seen either one fail, but my memory may not be up to snuff on that. If one did fail, it was outside of my platoon, or company. Battery life was not a great concern for us. I greatly prefer the Eotech reticle, personally. I think you will be pleased with either.

C-grunt
October 17, 2012, 05:06 PM
I use Aimpoints or ACOGs but will say that I have very little experience with the new XPS model EOTechs. The XPS models are supposed to have fixed the problems that the older models had.

A few years back there was a lot of guys who carried EOTechs at work. Every time I would go for rifle qual I would see one go down. Now only a few people use them and many have gone to the Aimpoint or a 1-4 variable.

Another reason I stick with Aimpoint is that I have an astigmatism in my right eye. Without my contacts in I can still use the Aimpoint dot but the A65 reticle in the EOTechs bloom really bad and it becomes one huge blur.

Girodin
October 17, 2012, 05:37 PM
Not sure what battery the Aimpoint uses.

It depends on the model. The models I have use either a Cr123 or a cr2032. I know for sure the latter is available at the corner store here, the very same place I would go to buy AAs. It wouldn't surprise me if the CR123 is too, I just cannot remember for sure having seen it there. Its not like either batter is really hard to come by.

I'm not going to tell someone the are wrong for prefering an eotech, even if I prefer aimpoints. However, I don't think that battery availability is a good reason to go for the eotech or even a very legit argument.

Skribs
October 17, 2012, 05:37 PM
Joed, there are aimpoint models that use AA. So you get the availability and the battery life.

Even the aimpoint model doesn't use AAs, it's not that hard to replace 1 C123 or other type of battery once every couple years or so.

JustinJ
October 17, 2012, 08:39 PM
Joed, there are aimpoint models that use AA. So you get the availability and the battery life.

That model is also awfully expensive. I would not leave a AA in for extended periods for fear of corrosion.

briansmithwins
October 17, 2012, 08:49 PM
The three battery types Aimpoints use are:

CR2032: Micro models. H1, T1.
1/3N: 30mm tube models. M2, M3.
AA: integrated mount models. M4, M4s.

Use a lithium AA with the M4 types. Lithium batteries are less prone to leaks, work at much lower temps, and have a longer shelf life than alkaline.

BSW

wnycollector
October 17, 2012, 09:27 PM
My Aimpoint PRO has been rock solid. I picked it up about a year ago and it has been on all the time. For $400 I couldn't be happier.

PPS43
October 17, 2012, 09:28 PM
If you have less than perfect eyesight, 1-4x scope would be better.

EOTech and Aimpoint reticles are focused at infinity and neither has diopter correction. Unless your vision is 20/20, they look like an asymmetric hairy blob rather than a sharp dot.

76shuvlinoff
October 17, 2012, 10:15 PM
I had a friend tell me this week that the Bushnell Holosight is made by Eotech?

True?

herkyguy
October 17, 2012, 10:29 PM
I went with the Aimpoint PRO, but would have been happy with a comparable Eotech. It's an endless debate between the two. sad really, because they're both decent.

Mot45acp
October 17, 2012, 11:03 PM
Trijicon RX 30

No batteries, built like a tank, 42mm tube.

After shooting one, it will be what tops my 9mm AR

SgtGenDanbo
October 17, 2012, 11:19 PM
Personally I prefer the Eotech, but both are great sights. I love the battery life of the Aimpoints but I used both when I was overseas and nothing can beat the speed and easy sight picture of the Eotech. It depends what kind of shooting you're doing too. In my experience I found it easier to shoot long range with the Aimpoint as the model of Eotech I was issued had a fairly large dot that would obscure targets at distance. But if you're just going out to the range and shooting at relatively close range I don't think battery life should be much of an issue and Eotech sights will work fine. In either case, I think you'll be happy.

fanchisimo
October 17, 2012, 11:38 PM
I haven't used an EOtech on a rifle many, but I will say that my Aimpoint PRO has been awesome and if you choose it, you won't regret it. From the many, many debates between the two, that means the EOtech is a very good option, too. I imagine that either optic you choose will serve you well.

stubbicatt
October 18, 2012, 09:03 AM
Anybody use either of these sights while it is snowing?

Wonder if the more or less open window of the Eotech might not become obscured by accumulating snow.

SpentCasing
October 18, 2012, 10:47 PM
Anybody use either of these sights while it is snowing?

Wonder if the more or less open window of the Eotech might not become obscured by accumulating snow.


Ive used in snow, mud, and rain to no ill effect. Being a true holo sight as long as a portion of the window is visible, the reticle remains. Its one of their selling points.

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