Would you buy a gun with someone else's initials?


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Tipro
October 18, 2012, 09:11 AM
I'm considering buying my first revolver - just a shooter, nothing fancy. Anyways, found a deal on a S&W Model 10 that could be a good deal (negotiations remain to be done), if only some dimwit hadn't carved his initials into the frame just below the cylinder (the seller didn't do the carving). Apparently this was done with "electropencil."

Would you consider buying a gun that had some initials carved into it, or some other means of personalization that was permanent and obviously not yours? If so, how much of a discount would you want, if any? I'm leaning towards purchasing, but only for the right price. Just wondering what other people think about it. Haven't seen this question arise before.

Update: Bought the gun. See post #35 for some pictures

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RugerBob
October 18, 2012, 09:16 AM
Depends on the situation, but yes. I had been want a model 1897 pump shot gun for cowboy shooting and usually to expensive for my budget. Found one at local trading post for $225. Had someones social security number engraved in it. Oh well, it was in my budget and its mine now. All I did was cut barrel and used it all year with no issues. SS# was on receiver and is still there. Doesn't bother me. Price/purpose and depends.

critter
October 18, 2012, 09:17 AM
It won't effect shootability but will effect aesthetics and resale value. If I wanted it, I'd negotiate 'hard' and EXPECT a really, really good deal on it.

Then, I'd shoot the heck out of it!

MedWheeler
October 18, 2012, 10:18 AM
Apparently, my dad did. When he died in 2010, his two remaining guns became mine. One is a Charter Arms Undercover .38, circa 1966, and it has someone's initials scratched in the face of the recoil shield. It also has a date (in November of 1971) scratched into the frame, facing the bottom of the cylinder when it's closed.
My dad did not have the gun that long, likely acquiring it in the late 70's or early eighties. I don't know if he knew anything about the engravings' meanings.
I don't think it would bother me if I found a gun I was considering buying had such markings, provided they weren't too conspicuous, and the price was accordingly appropriate.
I've never bought a gun with the idea in my head that I'd one day resell it. But, resale value on a marked, used gun isn't impaired in correlation to my purchase price if it was appropriately priced when I got it anyway.

JohnM
October 18, 2012, 10:32 AM
Wouldn't bother me if it was something I wanted and the price was right.
And it didn't look like Billy Bob had done it with his 12 inch Bowie when he had a couple 6 packs under his belt.

David E
October 18, 2012, 11:07 AM
All the above is true......but for your FIRST revolver, I wouldn't want it on there. For ME, I'd keep my first revolver forever (and have) and would want to be proud of it each time I looked at it. (and am)

horsemen61
October 18, 2012, 11:11 AM
For the right price yes i would.

bannockburn
October 18, 2012, 11:30 AM
Really wouldn't bother me at all, as long as the gun was mechanically sound and the price was right

tarosean
October 18, 2012, 11:57 AM
Model 10s are abundant and cheap enough I would probably just find another...

If it was a rare or hard to find I would live with it...

460Kodiak
October 18, 2012, 02:06 PM
I would expect at least a 50% reduction in price off of the "going rate". Then use it up and enjoy. Any less and I'd walk.

On that note though, I don't trust people, and I never buy used guns. I just don't know what someone has done to it, and I'm not enough of an expert to be able to detect some of the possible bubba gunsmithing. This is a lack of experience on my part. For this reason, I buy NIB or previously owned but still never fired guns. I realize never fired doesn't mean it hasn't been monkeyed with, but it makes me sleep better at noght.

If someone had a gun engraved that's one thing.

If they just carved their initials in a gun themselves, it seems to indicate a higher possibility of bubba gun smithing to me.

danweasel
October 18, 2012, 02:20 PM
Sure, but I would expect to pay a little less depending on all kinds of factors already discussed.

You could always hire a tattoo artist to "cover up" the initials. Electro-pencil, tattoo gun, what's the difference?

Walkalong
October 18, 2012, 03:17 PM
I bought one with someones SS # on the frame under the grip. Great shooter.

Kiln
October 18, 2012, 04:10 PM
The only thing that kept my from buying an Excam GT32 a couple of weeks back was that somebody engraved TIM on the side with a sharp object. Initials carved into guns make them look like crap and alot of people feel that way so it will have some effect on resale.

Vern Humphrey
October 18, 2012, 04:48 PM
I'd point it out to the seller and use it as leverage to knock the price down.

tomrkba
October 18, 2012, 05:17 PM
No unless the price was right. There would have to be a very significant discount.

Then again, if I needed a "drop" gun, then that's the ticket. Folks with such guns just need to find the right buyer. ;)

Kiln
October 18, 2012, 07:04 PM
No unless the price was right. There would have to be a very significant discount.

Then again, if I needed a "drop" gun, then that's the ticket. Folks with such guns just need to find the right buyer. ;)
A "drop" gun implies somebody shot criminally and then planted with a firearm. Not an appropriate discussion.

tomrkba
October 18, 2012, 07:24 PM
Joking kiln. Lighten up.

Win1892
October 18, 2012, 07:43 PM
I recently bought a used S&W professionally built race gun with an aftermarket barrel, barrel weight, Wichita sight, wonderful custom stocks, with the finest trigger I've ever pulled on a Smth for less than $800. A guys name is very nicely engraved down one side of the barrel.

It is big, fancy, accurate and a blast to shoot.

I have absolutely no problem with the engraving.

ApacheCoTodd
October 18, 2012, 07:51 PM
If the price is right and no structural damage is done - I never care. The number I'd have had to turn my nose up at given electric pencil names and SSNs would have left me without some guns that went on to become personal favorites. I'm always certain to factor in a re-finish whether it ever came to that or not.

351 WINCHESTER
October 18, 2012, 07:56 PM
Depends on the previous owner. If it belonged to someone famous and it had providence, heck yea.

Seven High
October 18, 2012, 07:59 PM
If the initials could be buffed out without damaging the revolover, then I wouold buy it. I would confer with a gunsmith before purchase.

KTXdm9
October 18, 2012, 08:59 PM
For the right price, why not?

highpower
October 18, 2012, 09:35 PM
For many years I had a commercial Colt Government Model mfg. in 1917 that someone named Octavio Sanchez had carved his name on along with some of the most amateur engraving you will ever see.

Then he had it buffed and nickel plated to add to the custom look.

beag_nut
October 18, 2012, 10:22 PM
Well, this isn't about a handgun, but they are really just tools, correct? I have some of the machine tools my late father-in-law had, and his name's on them. One of the nicest people I ever knew. I treasure that his name is there, even on some tools that cost more than a typical average handgun. I wish I had a gun with his name on it.
As for strangers' names, one can have a different attitude. Maybe the person was a war hero (like my father-in-law), maybe he was just a guy. After all, I repeat that it is just a tool.

chez323
October 18, 2012, 11:02 PM
I picked up a very nice S&W 65-2 in great shape with an awesome trigger at a great price(pinned barrel and recessed colder). The barrel was engraved with the name Edward J Skyversky Cameo lounge. Great gun, even better shooter.

wlewisiii
October 18, 2012, 11:47 PM
Wouldn't matter much to me. If it's something I'd buy anyway, I might try for a discount but otherwise? Why sweat the little stuff? If it's that fugly, polish & refinish.

Guillermo
October 19, 2012, 12:32 AM
I would consider the initials "idiot marks"

If it is a good deal for an "idiot marked" gun...yes

If not...

JustinJ
October 19, 2012, 12:13 PM
I generally file off any numbers or markings on a gun after i buy it anyways.

Kidding.

It depends on what i wanted the gun for. If it was just a range gun i probably wouldn't mind. I don't think i'd carry it or use for HD though.

Carl N. Brown
October 19, 2012, 12:21 PM
I remember a tale by Skeeter Skelton about acquiring a collectible .45 Colt that had the owners name (Bustamonte?) scratched in the frame.

Just my opinion, but personalized firearms should remain heirlooms within the family.

GCBurner
October 19, 2012, 04:04 PM
Depends on whose name and initials they are. A S&W .44 with "Elmer Keith" engraved on the butt would bring more than one marked "Bubba". My new Mossberg shotgun has Jerry Miculek's name and initials on the receiver, and they charge a premium for that. :-)

Kiln
October 19, 2012, 04:11 PM
I generally file off any numbers or markings on a gun after i buy it anyways.

Kidding.

It depends on what i wanted the gun for. If it was just a range gun i probably wouldn't mind. I don't think i'd carry it or use for HD though.
I'm so glad you didn't just leave it at the first sentence. Lmao.

Sheepdog1968
October 19, 2012, 04:50 PM
Friend of mine got a 94 Win 30-30 lever action (mfg'd in 1960s or 70s) at auction for $150ish. It was a great deal and shoots just fine. I think the biggest reason was that one of the prior owners had engraved their name on it.

damienph
October 19, 2012, 06:26 PM
I have bought a couple but both were stainless and the engraving wasn't too noticeable (at least to me). On that blue Model 10, you might be able to tone it down a lttle with a careful application of cold blue.

My Model 66 is engraved below the cylinder and under the ejector rod shroud with a county PD info and a rack number. I don't think that it is that big of a deal. If it was a blue Model 19 and the engraving was silver colored bare metal, I might feel differently. I did get a good price though because of the engraving.
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/damienph/722.jpg

lefteyedom
October 20, 2012, 03:57 AM
A Model 10 is a fine weapon.

File, stone, bead blast, then blue or "paint" it.

It will give you fine service for a low price.

A gun's true worth is rooted in its functionality.

A gun's price is different from its worth.

Price is driven simply by supply and demand driven .

Tipro
October 20, 2012, 10:08 PM
Well, I bought the gun. All in all, I'm quite happy with it. Believe it or not, when I shot the gun, I didn't even know the initials were there! Imagine that. The seller even turned out to be a member of THR.

Also, I'm not so sure that the markings are initials, unless the person has 4 names. Still can't figure out what "FPRC" means though

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o547/Tipro1/Import10-20-12030.jpg

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o547/Tipro1/Import10-20-12031.jpg

JTQ
October 20, 2012, 10:37 PM
I almost bought one of these, it seemed brand new even, but some dope scratched their initials DK right on the slide, in big letters even.;)

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766387_-1_757894_757775_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

royal barnes
October 21, 2012, 12:27 PM
I've bought a couple. A Smith Model 10 snubbie in excellent condition with the owners first and last name professionally engraved on the left side of the frame. I had my gunsmith buddy buff it and reblue. He didn't charge me. The negotiated price for the Model 10 was $100.00. The second was an original 1873 Winchester rifle in .44-40. Someone had carved WG in the stock. Since those are my initials I had to have it. I call it my "ghost gun". It's a good shooter, too.:)

greenr18
October 21, 2012, 12:30 PM
I saw a WASR10/63 at a gun store once someone had elaborately engraved a full name rank and information about some mission in the most recent Iraq war the person served in complete with the emblem of the division they were apart of and it was marked DOWN for having that on it, someone bought it because the next few days when I returned to said store it was gone.

el Godfather
October 21, 2012, 02:00 PM
Unless I am buying a gun especially because of the initials, the answer is No.

iscareliberalsandlikeit
October 21, 2012, 02:22 PM
I've done it and would do it again...HK, S&W, H&R. :neener:

Friendly, Don't Fire!
October 21, 2012, 02:29 PM
No, unless they are the same as mine, otherwise, absolutely NO.

Ala Dan
October 21, 2012, 05:05 PM
I bought a Smith & Wesson model 66-4 with 2.5" barrel, whereas the previous
owner thought it was necessary to carve his initials ever slightly underneath
one of the grip panels; otherwise this weapon is in great shape.

NG VI
October 21, 2012, 09:50 PM
Why would anyone want their Social engraved on anything?

ares338
October 21, 2012, 09:51 PM
Sure I would....if the gun was good enough I'd just change my name!

Deaf Smith
October 21, 2012, 10:48 PM
I have a old Colt Cobra 2 inch .38 with another guys name under the grips. Name as been there along time.

So... I'm gonna add MINE and the date to it. Hope one day someone else gets the gun and add theirs to!

Now wouldn't it be cool to have a gun with several names and dates going back 200 years?

Deaf

460Kodiak
October 22, 2012, 10:35 AM
Why would anyone want their Social engraved on anything?

I have my SS number on my mailbox, painted on the side of my truck, and on a t-shirt that I wear.

I also have versions with my credit card numbers to.

The risk makes life worth living!!!

Ledgehammer
October 22, 2012, 02:21 PM
I don't think having "fprc" on there is a big deal at all. To me its actually better than having a persons initials on there. You can come up with all kinds of crazy acronyms for that. Lol

2zulu1
October 22, 2012, 03:26 PM
Frank Hamer yes, no on most personal engravings.

Deaf Smith
October 22, 2012, 07:19 PM
Frank Hamer yes, no on most personal engravings.
Or G.S.P. George S. Patton!

But I'm sure his Ivory wood grips would be a dead giveaway.

Deaf

preachnhunt
October 22, 2012, 07:57 PM
If it was just going to be a shooter, I would buy it and consider the initials "character".

Elkins45
October 22, 2012, 07:59 PM
I have a S&W model 28 that apparently was a police gun. There is a place on the frame where an inventory number had obviously been engraved and then removed. It was $200 and in great condition, so I was content to overlook the cosmetic issue. It is a fantastic shooter.

highpower
October 22, 2012, 08:27 PM
I forgot to add to my previous post that I have a Winchester Model 1897 trench gun that has the initials "RPH" stamped on the bottom of the receiver. It doesn't bother me, but I would sure like to know if they are from a private company, police department or a government agency.

http://highpower.smugmug.com/Firearms/Winchester97/i-S3r86QP/0/XL/IMG0978-XL.jpg

Sniper66
October 23, 2012, 03:16 PM
At a guns show awhile back, I saw a Ruger single six, the older 3-screw model, in great shape except someone had etched a birthdate in the butt of it; looked like a dremel tool. The guy sold it for $100 under the typical selling price for that model. The buyer felt good about having a shooter for not much money. I would ahve bought it, had the other guy not done so.

Certaindeaf
October 23, 2012, 04:17 PM
It seems half the wimmens these days have tattoos on them.. probably some initials in there somewhere. Personally, an engraved gun wouldn't bother me.

Vern Humphrey
October 23, 2012, 04:58 PM
It seems half the wimmens these days have tattoos on them.. probably some initials in there somewhere. Personally, an engraved gun wouldn't bother me.
At least you can buff out or grind down the initials on the gun.:p

Spats McGee
October 23, 2012, 05:13 PM
Would you consider buying a gun that had some initials carved into it, or some other means of personalization that was permanent and obviously not yours?
My glib answer: Only if I was going to commit a crime & expected that gun to be found.

My serious answer: Depends on the gun, my intended purpose and the price.

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