Illinois and NFA


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lilguy
October 21, 2012, 11:01 PM
I have lived in Illinois all my life and have been building a gun collection for 40 years. Finally the NFA door is opening a crack, 1/1/2013, that allows owning a SBR. Anyone here researched this in depth yet. I have a CR lic. and am interested in adding these to my collection. The NFA trust lawyers blog says the law is poorly written and some details may need to be worked out with the authorities. I don't want to be a Guinea Pig so I would like to get as much info as possible before taking the plunge. several questions if I may.

Does SBR include Shotguns?

Where in Illinois can I find lawyers that specialize in NFA arms. My firm NO.

If the gun is tied to my license can I keep it with the rest of my collection,
are my adult family members precluded from handling it in my presence at my home.

When I applied for my CR license my CLEO sent me a response acknowledging my notification letter and assigning a file # to me. Will I need a trust or CLEO sign off if I decide to do this.

This is all new to me and I don't want to make a mistake. Thanks all

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floorit76
October 21, 2012, 11:12 PM
Could you post a link to how this is happening? Bill number, or something?

shotgunjoel
October 21, 2012, 11:24 PM
Since C&Rs can only be held by individuals and not trusts, you can't go the trust route and will have to get your CLEO to sign off. Here is an applicable thread.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8399979

Geneseo1911
October 21, 2012, 11:54 PM
I've not heard of this either, and I like to think I keep up on IL laws. I believe a bill to allow suppressors for police was passed, but that is the only NFA related bill I've heard of.

lilguy
October 22, 2012, 09:40 AM
Thank you SGJ. Some seem to feel it may not survive the veto session. Would anyone in the know address the rest of my initial questions. Thanks.

Geneseo1911
October 22, 2012, 10:46 AM
Well, I stand corrected. From what I can glean, you cannot do a trust, so a CLEO letter is necessary, and it is SBR ONLY, no SBS or anything else. I couldn't get an answer if you can manufacture an SBR yourself, or if you have to buy it. I think we will hear a lot more once it goes into effect; my main source of info is oddly quiet about this one for the time being.

lilguy
October 22, 2012, 12:27 PM
I can understand quiet, if this gets in the media all hell will break loose. Obviously not many libs in the state house understand what they just did.
In as anti gun a state house as it is to open the door to the NFA registry is a huge step.

Would someone please explain actual physical possession of an NFA item. Can I keep it with my other guns and have family members handle it under any circumstances? Thanks

MasterSergeantA
October 22, 2012, 03:57 PM
You can keep it with your other guns so long as it can be secured when you are not present. If your wife/kids/significant others can access your storage when you are NOT around, that could create an issue. Other family members handling "it" is the same issue. So long as you are present, you can hand the item to anyone...that does not constitute a "transfer" in the eyes of the law as you still retain control by virtue of your physical presence. But if you were to leave a range while your family members were shooting your NFA item and the ATF happened by, you could wind up losing it.

The answer to that problem is to execute a trust or create a LLC, but neither will help with C&R SBRs for reasons already delineated.

lilguy
October 22, 2012, 09:50 PM
Thanks MSA, very helpful. Keeping fingers crossed that this is an opening to more access in the future for us captive of the people's republic of Illinois.

lilguy
October 22, 2012, 11:49 PM
If you develop a relationship with a local CLEO and he retires does a new one have any power to revoke the authorization?

Can one get an NFA rule book before applying for a stamp?

MasterSergeantA
October 23, 2012, 01:00 AM
The NFA Handbook is online.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/nfa-handbook/

Once the transfer is approved, you would have to be convicted of a felony...or the state laws would have to change...before you would have a worry about surrendering the NFA item.

lilguy
October 23, 2012, 09:15 AM
Is The NFA trade and collectors association a group worth supporting?

lilguy
December 14, 2012, 03:17 AM
Does anyone know if this change survived the just concluded veto session?

Phatty
December 14, 2012, 11:23 AM
Does anyone know if this change survived the just concluded veto session?
Yes, it's still set to become effective on January 1.

rodinal220
December 14, 2012, 01:28 PM
"If you develop a relationship with a local CLEO and he retires does a new one have any power to revoke the authorization?

Can one get an NFA rule book before applying for a stamp? "


No,once the Tax Stamp is issued, they(CLEO) cannot do anything about it. Developing a relationship with your CLEO in Illinois,thats another story.For his close buddies,maybe,for the average joe,I do not see it.Especially if you live anywhere near Crook County or Chicago metro area.

Yes,here it is:

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8.pdf

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