Thinking about lead 45acp


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sigep749
October 22, 2012, 07:48 PM
I've been reloading jacketed bullets for a while, and am considering starting to load lead for cost savings. I primarily shoot IDPA, and am thinking a 200g swc bullet for my 45acp, but looking around, there are lots of options as far as hardness and shape, and i honestly don't know where to start!

My powder of choice would be AA #2(I have an abbundance and it meters well).

I've been looking at Missouri Bullet company and Mastercast. Mastercast has some soft alloy really reasonably priced, so I'm leaning that direction, but don't want to cause myself leading issues or sacrifice accuracy.

Any suggestions or advice from some experienced reloaders?

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Walkalong
October 22, 2012, 07:57 PM
AA #2 and lead work great in .45 ACP. Another excellent choice is W-231.

ranger335v
October 22, 2012, 08:02 PM
"...there are lots of options as far as hardness and shape, and i honestly don't know where to start!"

Start the same as with jacketed; pick a box off the shelf and go! Good luck.

Pilot
October 22, 2012, 08:04 PM
I use Hogdon Clays for .45 ACP under a 200 grain LSWC.

sigep749
October 22, 2012, 08:11 PM
What effect do the hardness variations have? My biggest fear with switching to lead is leading.

JLDickmon
October 22, 2012, 09:04 PM
just don't get carried away looking for max velocity..
leading should be kept to a minimum..

rduckwor
October 22, 2012, 09:19 PM
Mo. Bullets are very good and the price and service are right.

I shoot the IDPA 200 Gr LSWC over 4.5-4.6 Gr WST at about 850 FPS without leading issues. Nice soft, clean load.

RMD

GaryL
October 22, 2012, 10:04 PM
I starting running the Missouri IDP #4-XD (200gr) a few years back and have had minimal issues with leading. I don't know if my loads meet IDPA spec, but I doubt they are that far off.

Running a few copper jacketed rounds down the barrel along the way can help clear out minimal leading. I would not suggest doing that with seriously leaded up barrel. An old vet I knew back before I stared reloading suggested that and it seems to work (unfortunately he has since passed away).

Certaindeaf
October 22, 2012, 10:06 PM
A .45acp goes slower than a .22lr.

.22lr bullets are pure lead.

.22's don't lead unless something's exceptionally hinky.

cheeze
October 22, 2012, 10:35 PM
.45 velocities are nowhere near enough to worry about leading. If you size the bullets properly and lube, you shouldn't get leading. I use 230 grain roundnose over 5 grains of bullseye in 45acp with great accuracy and little to no leading, sized at .452. With this load I regularly hit paper at 100 yards, which is plenty accurate for me.

mbopp
October 22, 2012, 10:40 PM
I've had good luck with both the Mastercast and Missouri "soft" 200gr SWC bullets.

Is Missouri still selling to individuals? I thought I read where they were concentrating on their wholesale accounts.

Snag
October 22, 2012, 10:42 PM
231/HP-38 work well with lead, as does N320. I've been buying Dardas bullets, good stuff.

oldreloader
October 22, 2012, 10:45 PM
When that news first came out Brad said all that were buying from them before that date could still buy. Now that they are "caught up" they may take new customers. Email Brad and ask. He always responds very quickly to my questions.

1KPerDay
October 22, 2012, 11:05 PM
I've gone through about 2000 MBC "softball" 230 grain LRN and 4.0-4.8 of red dot... I've settled on 4.4 grains. Very accurate, very reliable, no leading to speak of.

Actually I just ran out of Red Dot (again) and will try Herco next (any advice welcome).

BeJaRa
October 23, 2012, 10:35 AM
Everyone seems to worry about leading when pushing the bullet too fast. In my experience you get more leading when you load you 45acp to soft.

Peter M. Eick
October 24, 2012, 02:38 PM
Like Ikperday, I use MBC 230 LRN Softballs. 4.9 to 5.0 grns of Bullseye for me. So far no leading and works well.

RustyFN
October 24, 2012, 05:27 PM
Anything around 12 BHN should be good. The size of the bullet is the most important part to not get leading. I cast my bullets at 14 BHN and size them to .452 and use WST powder. I don't get any leading.

JLDickmon
October 25, 2012, 08:53 AM
A .45acp goes slower than a .22lr.

.22lr bullets are pure lead.

.22's don't lead unless something's exceptionally hinky.


excellent point

And to the OP, Sig, I use a lot of these..
http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=160&category=5&secondary=13&keywords=

but they do make a couple of bullets just for IDPA
http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?pageNum_rsCWResults=1&category=5&secondary=13

jr_roosa
October 25, 2012, 06:05 PM
MBC bullseye 200 gr SWC shoot great and don't lead for me with 3.6-4.2 gr bullseye.

MBC softball 230gr LRN lead the first inch of the barrel ahead of 5 gr bullseye but it comes right out with a copper chore boy wrapped brush. Just cleaned some out a few minutes ago. Not a problem.

J.

Miata Mike
October 25, 2012, 07:29 PM
Anything around 12 BHN should be good. The size of the bullet is the most important part to not get leading. I cast my bullets at 14 BHN and size them to .452 and use WST powder. I don't get any leading.

I shoot the IDPA 200 Gr LSWC over 4.5-4.6 Gr WST at about 850 FPS without leading issues. Nice soft, clean load.

I love WST and 200 grain LSWC sized at .452. I cast a whole bunch of double lube groove bullets that I think should shoot pretty good considering the amount of contact this style semi wad cutter will have with the rifling. I was loading 4.2 grains of WST but noticed my groups get WAY better on a super hot day this July. Moved right up to point of aim too. I am going to test 4.5 - 4.6 since that is the next size larger on my Lee powder dispenser. ;)

RustyFN
October 25, 2012, 08:41 PM
I cast a whole bunch of double lube groove bullets that I think should shoot pretty good considering the amount of contact this style semi wad cutter will have with the rifling.

That's what I'm casting. I'm using a Lyman 452460 four cavity mould. I really like these bullets.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8d826b3127ccec41a2c0e7ef800000020O00DZOGblm4Yg9vPhI/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

DoubleSawbuck
October 25, 2012, 08:48 PM
I'm sure you'll have no problem using most LSWC.

I've loaded thousands of 200g LSWC from Missouri Bullet Company, Mastercast and Z-Cast and guess what, they all shot the same.

I now mainly shoot Mastercast, the price can't be beat.

I seat em' at 1.25" over W231/HP38.

oldreloader
October 25, 2012, 11:33 PM
I'm with JLDickmon.. That MBC 225 gr Flathead works great!

Arkansas Paul
October 25, 2012, 11:33 PM
Before I started casting my own I ordered a few hundred from Missouri Bullets. If I ever decided not to cast, that's who I would use for sure. Great product, reasonable price and blazing fast shipping.

ColtPythonElite
October 25, 2012, 11:40 PM
The MBC 200 gr. SWC feed smoothly and group great in my guns., There's no way I would waste my $$ on jacketed/plated bullets for a .45.

ljnowell
October 25, 2012, 11:48 PM
I load pretty much all my lead in 45acp with AA#2. That includes 200gr SWC and 230gr LRN. I find AA#2 to be much better than bullseye or w231. Its certianly much cleaner burning and meters unbelievably through a powder measure.

Hootus
October 26, 2012, 12:04 AM
I've had outstanding results with Penn Bullets' 230gr "TCBB" truncated cone bevel base. It gives the most accurate load I've developed yet for my Kimber and its design has been 100% reliable. I normally load using 231 powder and don't have experience with AA#2 but it may do just as well with that powder also. As others have noted, at .45 velocities I've never had any problems whatsoever with leading.

furfinsandfeathers
January 31, 2013, 08:24 PM
Softer lead can use light to moderate loads and will actually run very clean in your barrel and more accurate. Harder lead can let some of the flash get through and make your barrel dirtier. Soft lead is great for shooting bowling pins because they flatten out,while a hard lead bullet is very hard and does'nt give at all and would be great for hunting...
Check this video out on youtube... Hard Cast Lead Bullets vs Soft Lead Bullets
And call Mike at mastercast.com in Carbondale, IL... He is very friendly.

mljdeckard
January 31, 2013, 08:32 PM
I bought some cheap SWC bullets and loaded them. The thing that makes me never want to use them again or cast my own, was that the bullet lube made my guns dirtier than they have ever been.

garyn
January 31, 2013, 08:48 PM
Check out Bayou Bullets

orionengnr
January 31, 2013, 08:53 PM
I am a fan of Missouri Bullets, and especially their "Bullseye #1" 200 gr. SWC.
Great product, and fantastic people to work with.

CGT80
February 1, 2013, 02:52 AM
My dad has a 1911 45 acp. Bear Creek moly coated lead bullets ran great for him. They were only slightly more money that lubed lead, but they are not sticky to load, and smoke less. He uses red dot powder. We load on the low end of published data.

I also shoot my own cast 270 grain hollow points from my 460 Smith revolver. They work very well at 600-1200 fps, depending on load (45lc and 460 brass).

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k484/CGT80/45270SAA.jpg

USSR
February 1, 2013, 08:35 AM
Like RustyFN, I cast the Lyman 452460 200gr SWC. I also cast the hollowpoint below that comes out weighing about 205gr. Casting your own is not difficult, and something all reloaders should consider.

Don

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFbx9GTdXwhFvHEb4YqI9oWzeQ8Q8MDFndtXd8Ge3zBxR6Mule21nrjG7xcg

rdhood
February 1, 2013, 09:04 AM
I shoot MBC softballs with 5gr of W231... exclusively. No problems with leading.

furfinsandfeathers
February 1, 2013, 06:56 PM
Soft lead can leave less lead and residue than harder lead... Call Mike at Mastercast.com not .net... they seal better and don't let the flash get between the bullet and the barrel... Use light to moderate loads. and softer lead is easier on the barrel... Hard lead keeps its shape even when hitting it with a hammer. SOFT LEAD for bowling pins (It makes a better THUD)... :)

Rugg_Ed
February 1, 2013, 07:03 PM
I like rduckwor reply. I have no idea how many 1000s of 200 Gr LSWC over 4.5 To 5.2 Grns WST depending on power factor required. Works great, others brands work well also.
Enjoy

jody3870
February 1, 2013, 08:07 PM
Mo. Bullets - IDPA #1, 200gr. LSWC, 18 brinnell hardness. I've loaded several thousand after trying others..

hueyville
February 2, 2013, 12:09 AM
Been shooting lead bullets in 45 acp for 30+ years. Occasionally you get a soft alloy and others you drive them too hard. If rios happens, a single pass with a Lewis.Lead Remover fixes you righhttp://www.waterproofpaper.com/targets/t up. A few jacketed bullets down the spout helpe but occasionally the lead remover makes it like it never happened. Lead is too.cheap and.accurate to not fling some down range.

GLOOB
February 2, 2013, 01:43 AM
Start the same as with jacketed; pick a box off the shelf and go! Good luck.
This has always been my method with cast. Instead of slugging bores and casting chambers, I just pick a bullet and a load and see how it works. Adjust from there. Hard, soft, fast, slow... it's all relative to your starting point.

If every bore needed to be slugged and every bullet needed to be custom-sized with custom hardness/alloy, the big cast bullet retailers wouldn't exist. They're in business cuz the bullets they make will probably work for you.

rskent
February 2, 2013, 06:16 AM
Everyone seems to worry about leading when pushing the bullet too fast. In my experience you get more leading when you load you 45acp to soft.
This is pretty much my experience as well. If you just pick up a box of laser cast or other fairly hard bullet you are going to want to run them pretty fast or they will lead a bit.

Walkalong
February 2, 2013, 09:15 AM
If every bore needed to be slugged and every bullet needed to be custom-sized with custom hardness/alloy, the big cast bullet retailers wouldn't exist. They're in business cuz the bullets they make will probably work for you.
Yep.

I used to buy the cheapest commercial cast bullets I could find, and never had leading in my .45. Matter of fact, it seems hard to lead up a .45 ACP. When I started casting, I used wheel weights with a little 95/5 solder, sized to .452, and never had leading.

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