[Revolver Ocelot]

just got a new pistol (cz 75 sp 01 tactical) and it is the only 9mm in the house so I'm planning on stocking up on some ammo and one I wanted to test out was the winchester sxt.

anyone have any expierience with these two grain weights and have some insight/input on it?

any help is appreaciated.

[Lonestar49]

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A lot more than you're used to (or remember) when the surprise moment hits - you'll be likely to get 2 surprises going standard pressure range ammo then the much higher pressured +P or more +P+ ammo will give, kick/recoil wise along with accuracy decline if quick follow-up shots are needed..

Best not to get "surprised" (as you can find out by trying some) between standard pressure range FMJ vs higher pressured +P or more +P+ JHP's to see "the difference on getting back on target "quickly".. vs staying close with 124gr or the, better IMHO, heavier 147gr sub-sonic JHP's.

In any of my 3.9 or 4" barreled 9mm's I've used the Winchester xst 147gr JHP's as there is no recoil difference between the heavy grain, yet sub-sonic, bullets and the 115gr or 124gr FMJ ammo I shoot for range practice..

No surprises, gun feel/recoil is always the same and Winchester sxt 147gr 9mm, heck, even their FMJ ammo is the "cleanest shooting" ammo I've ever had the pleasure shooting along with consistency/accuracy without fail..

Great stuff IMHO, wouldn't leave home without it.. lol

Just for note, in my EMP 3" barreled 9mm, I use Federal or Remington Golden Saber 124gr JHP's, again, no difference/surprises in recoil vs the same size/weight FMJ range practice ammo.. Memory re-call is instant over times in-between actual shooting/s.

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just got a new pistol (cz 75 sp 01 tactical) and it is the only 9mm in the house so I'm planning on stocking up on some ammo and one I wanted to test out was the winchester sxt.

anyone have any expierience with these two grain weights and have some insight/input on it?

any help is appreaciated.

Guess it depends on what you intend to use it for.

If you plan on using it simply for target practice/fun, you can save a bunch of money by just buying FMJs (Winchester, Federal, Remington, Speer, S&B, etc.) and using it.

If you plan on using it for CCW/SD/HD, I'd suggest going with the standard pressure 147 JHPs since they'll offer you more controlability (shot-to-shot follow up times are kept as brief as possible) and minimize unnecessary wear- the 127 gr +P+ tends to beat up guns pretty quickly and offers no demonstrable benefit over the 147 gr JHP other than a bit more recoil and muzzle signature.

[Revolver Ocelot]

it would be carry ammo, thanks for the advice, it would make more sense to go with the 147 if for no other reason standard pressure practice ammo can be had in the same weight.

[amd6547]

I have shot the ranger 127gn +P+ load in several different 9's...never had a problem with shot times or excessive wear. It is my favorite 9mm load in my Glock 26 and Glock 17.

[CZ57]

For a defense load the Ranger 127 gr. +P+ is hard to beat. It will provide greater expansion while delivering the necessary 12" of penetration after passing through four layers of denim. About as good as it gets for civilian use. I very much doubt that the Ranger 127 gr. +P+ is actually loaded above the pressure spec for 9mm +P @ 38,500 PSI, which incidentally is almost identical to the original 9mm pressure spec of 35,700 CUP. Two different measuring systems but nearly identical if measured in PSI (38,500 PSI max) or CUP (35,700 CUP max). The same holds true for the European max pressure for 9mm at 36,200 PSI CIP. European pistols are designed for this pressure and sprung lower for the US market. You can bet that any quality American manufacturer does the same thing. Solution? If you plan to use a steady diet of +P 9mm get a recoil spring 2 - 3 Lbs. heavier than the factory weight rating for your pistol and practice until you can accurately place your shots with +P. ;)

[smalls]

Why not buy a few boxes of each and try em out first, before you stockpile? Then you'll know which you like better.

[wanderinwalker]

I'd vote go with whichever one shoots best for you. My Glocks are stoked with the 127gr +P+ loads. It's not like I'm shooting them at every range trip, so the "extra" wear and tear doesn't really bother me. And I'm also not particularly concerned over the difference in felt recoil. Practice ammo is 115gr FMJs at 1200-fps, the Rangers are 127gr @ 1250. We're not talking the difference between .38 Special and .357 Magnum here.

Which for the record are my other favorite handguns. But shooting .38 Special after .357 Magnum might make you think something is wrong with your revolver. Shoot some .357s after a few hundred .38s (or after you've been shooting a 9mm) and you'll think your revolver exploded! :eek:

[Steve C]

In my experience the 147 gr guns great in all the handguns I"ve shot it in. Being a standard pressure load makes it fine for older guns. The 147 gr ammo has always shot accurately for me.

I do keep 127gr +p+ loaded for home defense in my Beretta 92 and its a very accurate round. I have found it to eject unreliably in some of my handguns, it will stick in the chamber and not extract. This could be caused by a dirty or rough chamber but I'm not going to blow a $100 in ammo to work out the problem with a particular pistol that works fine with other good quality SD ammo. I shoot very little of this ammo and its loaded for SD only while practice is done with standard velocity FMJ ammo as +P+ is a bit harder on the gun. Make sure to test it in your pistol before committing to using it.

I don't really notice a big difference in recoil with the +P+ and any other 9mm ammo. The +P+ may be a bit noisier or have a bit more flash but the 9 isn't a heavy recoiling round in any loading out of full size handguns.

[Jaymo]

I've shot +P and +P+ ammo out of 3 different 9mm handguns and didn't notice a difference in the recoil. I shot Hirtenberger +P+ from an FEG 9HP (FN High Power copy) and was surprised by the LACK of recoil.

Since when is the 147 grain subsonic a good manstopper? That is the polar opposite of everything I've read or heard about that weight, discounting internet mall-ninja babble.

[Deaf Smith]

The 127gr +p+ Winchester stuff is what I use in my Glocks.

There MIGHT be something more effective in 9mm but I don't lose sleep over it.

Deaf

[Jaymo]

I used to carry nothing but Cor Bon 115 grain HP in my nines. 1350 fps combined with a very good hollowpoint bullet design is nothing to laugh at.

[eldon519]

If you were going to look at the 147gr weight, I would look at the Federal HST. Best round going for the 9mm from what I have seen and read. I think the Winchester Ranger T in 147gr might be a close second, but I believe the latest revision of the Ranger Bonded bullet is being loaded as the PDX1 Bonded instead of in the SXT series. Might want to double check me on that.

[Bozwell]

I never saw the need to mess with higher pressure loads. From what I've seen, the performance gains from +P and +P+ 9mm, if any, don't outpace the drawbacks. 147 gr. Federal HST is what I go with these days as well.

[PabloJ]

just got a new pistol (cz 75 sp 01 tactical) and it is the only 9mm in the house so I'm planning on stocking up on some ammo and one I wanted to test out was the winchester sxt.

anyone have any expierience with these two grain weights and have some insight/input on it?

any help is appreaciated.
If you need 147+P+ you should have bought firearm in caliber .40S&W instead of 9x19. Other then cheaper ammo there is ZERO advantage to picking 9x19 over 10mm short.

[eldon519]

If you need 147+P+ you should have bought firearm in caliber .40S&W instead of 9x19. Other then cheaper ammo there is ZERO advantage to picking 9x19 over 10mm short.

I suppose that would be true if you were just going to fire once. Most shooters can make accurate follow-up shots more quickly with 9mm.

[Thompsoncustom]

If you need 147+P+ you should have bought firearm in caliber .40S&W instead of 9x19. Other then cheaper ammo there is ZERO advantage to picking 9x19 over 10mm short.

I suppose that would be true if you were just going to fire once. Most shooters can make accurate follow-up shots more quickly with 9mm.

There is no way I would trade any 9mm round for a 10mm short and weak.