Texas Highway with 85mph speed limit meets hog infestation


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TexasPatriot.308
October 26, 2012, 10:23 PM
in my part of Texas, we are overrun with feral hogs, couple days ago state highway 130 a toll road with an 85mph speed limit opened up, first nite, 4 wrecks with hogs, one vehicled totaled.....gee, us locals could have told them that.. :). it has even made national news, hogs are out of control and we up the speed limit 15-20 mph. what next "wild hog crossing" signs. around here you drive cautiously at night, a 300 pound boar can do some major damage to a compact car, and oh by the way, we now have a $2 a tail bounty on them....my gas and beer bill makes that plain stupid. what a joke.

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Texaszach
October 26, 2012, 10:58 PM
Yeah I cant imagine hitting one of those beasts going that fast, even a whitetail in my truck wasnt too pretty..

beatledog7
October 26, 2012, 11:12 PM
As I understand it the bounty in SE VA and NE NC is $75 for a coyote. Seems like a hog ought to bring at least that given the damage they do.

rondog
October 27, 2012, 12:51 AM
I hit a dead javelina laying in the road once in Florida, in the middle of the night. Hit it square with the left front tire, really messed up the steering and I damn near lost control. And that was a small one that was already dead! It was black, after midnight, and it just looked like a wet spot on the road. Was just like hitting a damn log, and we were probably only going 55 or so. I couldn't imagine hitting a big live one at 85.

kyletx1911
October 27, 2012, 05:52 AM
Hey i live just down the road. Is there anyone over there need help
Getting rid of them?

Sav .250
October 27, 2012, 06:29 AM
At those speeds, by the time the hog it`s the highway, he`s already ......packaged bacon.

Captcurt
October 27, 2012, 08:02 AM
You know some lawyer will try to sue the state because some DA hits a state hog on a state highway. This opens up a new can of worms.

tinman080
October 27, 2012, 08:03 AM
I'm sure some enterprising Texan will come up with an easily mounted ''hogcatcher'', something along the lines of a ''cowcatcher'' on the front of a steam locomotive. Going to Granny's house using the toll road- why snap the hogcatcher on the old Suburban and fly.....:neener: and yes boys I'm a native Texan so a little tease is on the up and up!;)

jmorris
October 27, 2012, 08:28 AM
Down around Kerrville/Junction, at night the deer are so thick they need school zone signs running down the highway. I have had to weave back and forth across the road before when they wouldn't get out of the way.

Readyrod
October 27, 2012, 08:31 AM
As I understand it the bounty in SE VA and NE NC is $75 for a coyote. Seems like a hog ought to bring at least that given the damage they do.

From what I hear about the numbers of hogs in Texas that would probably double the deficit.

Art Eatman
October 27, 2012, 10:31 AM
rondog, if you hit a javelina in Florida, it was an escapee from a zoo. :D

MCgunner
October 27, 2012, 10:33 AM
I've been known to follow bear bait at 120 MPH while on my motorcycle. What's the big deal? You wanna live forever? :D

MCgunner
October 27, 2012, 10:36 AM
You know some lawyer will try to sue the state because some DA hits a state hog on a state highway.

Well, I say we have too many district attorneys and we need to thin THEM out, too. :D

Double Naught Spy
October 27, 2012, 10:40 AM
Not to worry. This won't happen again. Hogs are supposed to be very smart animals. They will learn to avoid cars very easily, right? After all, they have all learned that the should avoid cars everywhere, hence why nobody ever hits them anywhere else. :D

Hogs get hit regularly around the state. There will be no lawsuit against the state except maybe to lower the speed limit, but there will be no settlements. The State is not liable for for collisions with wildlife.

W.E.G.
October 27, 2012, 10:53 AM
I need to make some mods on my truck.

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cadcom
October 27, 2012, 11:04 AM
Are you forced to drive 85 mph or could you actually slow down if you wanted to...

MCgunner
October 27, 2012, 11:10 AM
Are you forced to drive 85 mph or could you actually slow down if you wanted to...

Slower traffic keep left. I'm not sure if there's a minimum speed limit, but probably so, like 55 or something.

Some seem to think 85 is something neat. Well, I don't get that big a thrill out of raw speed. I have gone twice that on the race track. It's the CORNERS, stupid! :D Driving straight for miles and miles at 85, I'd probably pass out and run off the road out of boredom. Anyway, 85 is a strain on my old van and my little Toyota. I have no reason to drive that road, anyway. There's plenty of highway options in Texas. I ain't in that big a hurry.

jmorris
October 27, 2012, 12:36 PM
Slower traffic keep left. Yep, you live in TX.

It's just the fastest legal road in TX. Run down 190 or NDT at 85 and you will be passed.

Patocazador
October 27, 2012, 12:57 PM
I hit a dead javelina laying in the road once in Florida, in the middle of the night. Hit it square with the left front tire, really messed up the steering and I damn near lost control. And that was a small one that was already dead! It was black, after midnight, and it just looked like a wet spot on the road. Was just like hitting a damn log, and we were probably only going 55 or so. I couldn't imagine hitting a big live one at 85.
Since when do we have javelina in Florida???

MCgunner
October 27, 2012, 01:59 PM
Quote:
Slower traffic keep left.


Yep, you live in TX.

It's just the fastest legal road in TX. Run down 190 or NDT at 85 and you will be passed.

Ooops, don't know my right from my left, but yeah, usually they run the left lane at the same speed as some numb nut in the right land. :rolleyes:

Yeah, seems like the standard speed on any road around is 80 mph by much of the traffic whether interstate or not. Between Fr. Stockton and El Paso, hell, is there a speed limit? :D

tarosean
October 27, 2012, 02:11 PM
Between Fr. Stockton and El Paso, hell, is there a speed limit?

Least the deer are so small out that way, they're like road bumps. Miserable drive thou..

Texan Scott
October 27, 2012, 07:11 PM
Jmorris ain't kiddin' bout the deer here. Tinman, you don't already have a toyota-catcher on your truck? They work.

Deltaboy
October 27, 2012, 09:49 PM
This Thread reminds me of my cousins friend who hit a 500 pound running without headlights in a 76 Trans Am Smokey the Bandit package 400 doing about 80 or so and it ripped the front and rear axles out from beneath the TA. He ground to a stop and they totaled the car. On a good note he did get a years suppy of Pork.

MCgunner
October 27, 2012, 10:41 PM
Some years back, a guy was coming back from Indianola to Port Lavaca, swamps and rice fields all around that road, about 1AM. He hit a big gator stretched across the road, flipped his truck and killed him. I don't think there's any gators where they built that toll road, though. :D

medalguy
October 27, 2012, 11:25 PM
Remember, the speed LIMIT (Read: maximum) is 85. A prudent driver slows down at night, whether you're looking for deer or hogs. No smart driver drives the hill country, at night, doing the full-out speed limit. Not more than once, anyway.

By the way, there are some pretty nasty hogs up in north Texas too, around Abilene. I've seen a few up there that look like Red Angus cattle on the road.

AirForceShooter
October 28, 2012, 07:23 AM
They still would have hit them at 70.

AFS

Double Naught Spy
October 28, 2012, 08:04 AM
Up where I am, they still hit them regularly at 50-55. The only difference is the potential amount of damage.

Of course, the slower you go, the more likely you are to be able to avoid such a collision, but in limited visibility (nighttime, limited headlight capabilities, etc.) and at such speeds, there is very little reaction time, assuming there is even enough to prevent the collision. Then there is the problem of whether attempting to abait the collision is safer than the collision itself. Not just with hogs, but lots of people end up in wrecks, even fatal wrecks, avoiding critters as small as rabbits and squirrels.

Art Eatman
October 28, 2012, 09:55 AM
A "not-always" generality about critters, cars and night:

If you see a critter in the road, dim your lights and honk the horn while braking.

If it's a deer, steer toward the direction it was going. Deer tend to retreat back to where it was safe.

If it's a cow, steer toward the direction it came from. Cows tend to avoid being headed. I guess it's an inherent stubbornness feature.

If it's a horse, all bets are off. Horses are suicidal and will work to stay in the headlights.

If it's a large hog and you can't steer clear of it, try to center it while braking to avoid a rollover.

desidog
October 28, 2012, 02:38 PM
Why not get a snow plow on the front and leave a knife and cooler in the back?

rondog
October 28, 2012, 03:13 PM
rondog, if you hit a javelina in Florida, it was an escapee from a zoo.

Hell, I don't know what it was. It was a pig, black as coal, covered with LONG coarse black hair, and sure didn't look like a normal farm-type pig. It also wasn't huge like wild boars get, so we just kinda assumed the name "javalina" fit. I certainly didn't look it up in a dictionary, and Google didn't exist back then, or PC's for that matter. Wasn't any fun, I can tell ya that.

dogrunner
October 28, 2012, 04:25 PM
Yeah, our Florida Javelinas have real rough hides, lotsa teeth and slap your wheels with that long tail when you thump 'em!

MCgunner
October 28, 2012, 10:00 PM
"If you wanna kill a deer, slow that bullet down to 55 mph, put some little headlights and a horn on it, and the deer will jump in front of it! WOO, that's an elusive creature....."

Ron White

Ain't hard to tell a Javelina up close, just look for the HUGE zit on his back, I mean, if you can't smell it.

sixgunner455
October 29, 2012, 12:33 PM
Guy in my town hit a javelina on his motorcycle back in July. Just hit it solid with his foot and peg.

Turned his whole leg around backwards, laid him and the bike down. He's just now allowed to stand up for more than an hour or two, and doesn't have to wear his brace 24/7 anymore.

Speaking of hitting pig-like critters.

JohnB
October 29, 2012, 10:28 PM
A "not-always" generality about critters, cars and night:


Don't forget chickens and sheep in the daytime. Either will stand on the side of the road until you are right on them, then jump in front of you.

When I was a kid my dad always said the two worst things to hit (in rural Alabama anyway) was a hog or a mule. The hog will flip you and the mule will come through the windshield and kill you. I understand in Maine it's a moose.

nosmr2
October 29, 2012, 10:39 PM
If hogs were a problem in Texas, I wouldn't have to pay someone to shoot their problem.

Jim Watson
October 29, 2012, 10:53 PM
I had the same warning as JohnB from my Dad.
Alabama, too.

Many years later a co-worker hit a mule. Not well centered, he was ok and the car was even still drivable. He drove it as-is until the rain washed the mule blood and brains off.

heeler
October 31, 2012, 09:45 AM
Frankly if they are allowing a speed limit of 85 mph at night that's foolhardy at the least.
Unless you were running 100 watt halogen lights or some other illegal lighting system on your vehicle you are way over driving your lights on a vehicle at night at 85mph.

H&Hhunter
October 31, 2012, 10:01 AM
Since when do we have javelina in Florida???

Lots of folks mistake the term javalina for a wild boar.

So just for the record .........

A javalina is a wild peccary that occurs in the Southwestern deserts of the USA, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. A wild boar is just an old farm hog gone wild some of which have Russian boar genes due to Russians (Europeans) being released on hunting farms and spreading out and breeding over the years.

Now if I can just get folks to stop calling a cape buffalo a "water buffalo" we will have gained some knowledge in the long run.:)

MCgunner
October 31, 2012, 10:44 AM
Well, Javelina DO occur in south Texas, even around Corpus, up to and including the Aransas NWR, and across the brush country. Hitting one would not be the big deal that hitting a hog would be, well, depending on the vehicle. Might deploy the air bag on my Toyota Echo. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-010.gif

Double Naught Spy
October 31, 2012, 03:25 PM
You bring up a good point about the airbags. They go off via X number of sensors being triggered at X levels, one or more of which are in the bumpers.

Hitting hogs can be bad and the Caldwell Sheriff spoke of cars rolling or flipping as a result. So I went on line and looked for stories of cars flipped or rolled by animal strikes. First, there is limited hog crash information in terms of news accounts, though there is a lot of deer accounts in the news. Few hog crash pics, but lots of deer crash pics. Cops, game wardens, wildlife experts, and others all talk about animals flipping or rolling cars, but I could not find a single example of a car being flipped or rolled by a deer strike. This is a subtle but significant point. In every case, the cars that ended up rolling (they all go over laterally, not truck over hood), they rolled after a loss of control of the vehicle AFTER hitting the animal and sometimes without ever actually contacting the animal. The cars appear to lose 4 wheel ground contact stability during the course of some sort of swerve, usually in conjunction with hitting something like a curb or leaving the hard top and transitioning to soft ground, sometimes where there is a dropoff. I found it interesting that there were cases of cars hitting deer and rolling over and the deer strike was to the windshield, a location that would not cause a rollover simply from an impact. The rollover was due to the subsequent loss of control of the vehicle...as sometimes happens with other rollovers not associated with animal dodging or impacts.

I also noticed that by and large, hitting hogs tends to produce damage mostly BELOW the hoods of even smaller cars and much lower on bigger vehicles. Bumpers suffer greatly as do radiators and even sometimes front wheels. Deep impacts tend to be above the bumper on lots of vehicles and often are from the higher grill/hood area and above. The salient points here are that deer, even small deer, have longer legs and tend to bound or leap when they run and this elevates them that much further. Hogs have shorter legs and tend to travel at speed at much lower altitudes than deer and so their locations of impact and damage tend to be lower.

People injured in collisions with hogs tend to have minor or no injuries if the car did not have a subsequent secondary wreck such as hitting another vehicle, fixed object, or rolling. I could not find anyone killed by striking a hog only. People hitting deer often don't have much in the way of injuries either, but because of the hits being higher up, deer come through windshields in quite horrific ways sometimes, resulting in serious injuries and even deaths of car occupants.

Of course there are exceptions, I am sure, but I didn't find any during the 3 or 4 hours I spent Monday reading over dozens of articles and watching online news accounts. I am not saying that hitting a hog (or anything else) can't roll a vehicle directly, only that I could only find accounts where vehicles rolled due to a loss of control either after hitting animals or as a result of swerving with ZERO animal contact. I would not want to hit a hog or deer, but between the two, hitting a hog actually seems safer than hitting a deer, if only because hogs don't tend to come through windshields, probably not even on Echos. ;)

bob barker
October 31, 2012, 03:57 PM
Frankly if they are allowing a speed limit of 85 mph at night that's foolhardy at the least.
Unless you were running 100 watt halogen lights or some other illegal lighting system on your vehicle you are way over driving your lights on a vehicle at night at 85mph.
No offense, but good halogen headlights are perfectly fine at those speeds. I travel that area quite often and have never felt unsafe. Try traveling the Houston beltway. Driving 85 will get you run over.

heeler
October 31, 2012, 04:07 PM
I travel flyway 8 each and every day and it's a fast road for sure.
However a highway in the middle of the dark country side going 85 mph at night is sheer folly.
Is the tollway completely lit by street lighting if so this situation I speak off is moot.
60 watt halogens(high beams) are not enough for the feet per second you are traveling in the dead of dark at 85mph.
And few places can you run endlessly with your high beams on.
Dont forget 55 watts is the light output on most low beams.

jmorris
October 31, 2012, 06:17 PM
That is why they poured the extra concrete, every road should have a right lane so faster drivers can pass MC driving slow in the left lane....

peyton
November 3, 2012, 06:17 AM
I have seen a hog fly!! The car ahead of me hit a hog and it spun like a top three times before it landed. The honda that hit it was pretty messed up. This happened on IH35 just north of Austin at 5PM.

aussiepedro
November 3, 2012, 06:34 AM
Here in Aust we've long had a problem with hitting Kangaroos so we came up with a frontal protection system called either a Roo bar or a bull bar, these are made out of alluminium or mild steel and are designed to protect the vehicals radiator(so you can keep driving, its no fun being stranded miles from help) and hopefully prevent the beast from coming thru the windscreen. If I had the I.T skills Id do a linky thing to some local manufacturers, as an aside I spent some of last May/June in Nth Western New Jersy and saw scores of Deer on, beside, and near the roads so much so that I wondered why the locals didn't use Roo bars as well?.

Double Naught Spy
November 3, 2012, 08:02 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullbar
http://www.southerntowbars.com.au/bars.shtml
We have these as well, but they are usually called names such as brush guards. Some are very heavy duty. Some, not so much. I don't know that we have too many designed for sedans, however. Mostly, you just see them on pickup trucks and the like.

Sheepdog1968
November 3, 2012, 09:49 AM
I have in laws who live in an agricultural part of Ca. They were paid small amounts to shoot crows, etc. it gave them enough pocket change to be happy for a day or two (soda, comic book, ability to buy a few more reloads). I could see some young teens who like to hunt enjoying the small bounty, especially if dad reloads or foots the ammo bill.

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