.380 With the Least Recoil


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maxsnafu
October 28, 2012, 10:09 AM
Please give me your thoughts on which .380's you think have the least amount of recoil.

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Nico Testosteros
October 28, 2012, 10:12 AM
I've never shot one, the only .380 I've ever shot is my LCP, but I understand a Bersa .380 is fairly heavy and probably doesn't have much recoil.

2wheels
October 28, 2012, 10:25 AM
Of the few I've tried, the Sig P238 is definitely the best. Easily beats guns like the LCP, P3AT, and Bodyguard .380.

Haven't met anyone who can't handle shooting my 238.

LeonCarr
October 28, 2012, 10:48 AM
Try the Browning BDA/Beretta 84 (Same gun) in .380. Mid size frame, 13+1 capacity, hand filling and easy to shoot with mild recoil. Bunches of them on Gunbroker right now.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

taraquian
October 28, 2012, 10:48 AM
The Bersa doesn't feel bad at all, it is my favorite .380 to shoot at the range. The Thunder+ (15rd) has even less recoil but its a bit wider. CZ 83 isalso a soft shooter. As far as the pocketgun .380s I would have to say the Colt Mustang or Sig 238.

As a general rule the heavier it is the lighter the recoilwill seem.

beatledog7
October 28, 2012, 12:41 PM
+1 for the BDA/84. Wonderfully balanced and comfortable in the hand, hardly any recoil at all.

Jaymo
October 28, 2012, 12:59 PM
Taurus PT58.

Arp32
October 28, 2012, 12:59 PM
Probably the only 380 I've shot is a Beretta 84, I've put maybe 150 rounds through my buddy's. It was super accurate and recoil felt like a .22. It's not a pocket pistol, though.

labhound
October 28, 2012, 01:02 PM
Beretta 84 or 85, CZ 83.

ozo
October 28, 2012, 01:19 PM
Assuming you mean 'gun' and not 'ammo'....
Beretta 70S
Yet, any .380 has hardly any.
You cannot beat a Bersa .380 or .22
Something about them is just a plan that came together .
Least malfunctions of any/all semi-autos I have ever seen.

Jaymo
October 28, 2012, 01:43 PM
I owned a steel framed Bersa 383 in the early nineties. Sold it to a buddie's wife who was working in a liquor store, after the store got robbed while she was working.
I regret selling that one. It was a great little pistol.

Luger_carbine
October 28, 2012, 01:52 PM
Tanfoglio FT-9, because it's the size of a full-size nine, firing the 380 ACP:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=173693&stc=1&d=1350779749

The second 380 handgun with the least amount of recoil is the H&K P7K3 - which I believe has the same gas-retards blowback system as the P7M8 / PSP

wild cat mccane
October 28, 2012, 02:00 PM
in polymer it absolutely is the Walther PK380. (note, not the PPK)

9mmepiphany
October 28, 2012, 03:08 PM
The two that stand out in my mind are the Beretta 84 and the H&K P7K3. The Beretta had the more comfortable grip the P7K3 had the least muzzle flip

History.Doc
October 29, 2012, 06:46 PM
CZ 83 and Beretta 84. Probably give the edge to the Beretta but it would be close. The 83 is still a blowback pistol so you still get that snap.

oneounceload
October 29, 2012, 06:52 PM
Walther PP also has low recoil, nice pointability

wnycollector
October 29, 2012, 07:38 PM
I think the new SIG P250 .380 (http://gunnuts.net/2012/01/27/sig-sauer-p250-380/) would be a soft shooter since it is about the same size as the Beretta 84's/Bersa's but is locked breach and not blow back.

Coltdriver
October 29, 2012, 07:45 PM
Generically speaking look for .380's with a locked breech. Kahr, Colt, Sig etc.

Any blow back model, PPK etc, will have a lot more snap.

We still have a custom tweaked Colt Pony Pocketlite. My wife took it right after I had a Smith in NC tweak it. I haven't seen it since. She loves it because it is so easy to shoot.

You would pay too much for a Colt Pony today to make it worth having.

So my next choice would be a little Sig. Go here http://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_380_pistols.htm for the model because Sig does also make a blowback model. I have never fired one but according to Chuck Colt sold the tooling to Sig for the locked breech version.

Robert101
October 29, 2012, 07:48 PM
I'm not sure the point of the post. This is how I see the issues. If you want really low felt recoil in .380 then yes shoot a heavier weighted gun. Try the full size versions as others have mentioned. The felt recoil will be less. Now the point of the .380 is to have a smaller package for CCW and the like. To that end the Bersa, or my old Browning DBA, or similer sized guns all have very manageble recoil for male or female. If you are just recoil sensitive then maybe a 22 is the way to go.

jogar80
October 29, 2012, 09:19 PM
Not sure about the lightweight mustangs, but the older all steel colt mustangs felt like shooting a .22!

nwilliams
October 29, 2012, 09:32 PM
I had a chance to shoot a Walther PK380 and of all the 380's I've owned or shot that ranks number one in my book for lowest felt recoil.

The Sig P238 also has very light felt recoil.

gazpacho
October 29, 2012, 09:55 PM
TC Contender with custom 14" barrel

Beretta 86
Taurus PT 59

hammerklavier
October 29, 2012, 10:13 PM
I've fired a Makarov .380 (heavy steel frame) and an LCP, and come to think of it, the LCP had less perceived recoil (blow-back, vs. locked breach).

Armed 24/7
October 29, 2012, 10:15 PM
+1 on the Walther PK380

waidmann
October 30, 2012, 07:56 AM
^ Beretta 84/85

Pilot
October 30, 2012, 10:48 AM
Yes, anything locked breech will have less felt recoil for the most part. My Russian commercial Makarov in .380 with Pearce grips is hard to beat though. Probably due to the grips and all steel construction it has a bit less felt recoil than my Beretta M85FS. Both are straight blowbacks, and both are great shooters.

bikerdoc
October 30, 2012, 10:54 AM
Just me, Bersa or Beretta

Cactus Jack Arizona
October 30, 2012, 11:55 AM
As a few others have mentioned, one of my favorite .380's has been the Bersa Thunder .380 acp. When you add the rubber Bersa grips, the recoil is so light that one could shoot it all day. Well, if the ammo didn't cost so much.

The Sig P238 was a decent gun, however I always felt that I was going to break the trigger. I hated the trigger. Also the 238, being a shorter barreled firearm to the Bersa Thunder .380, was not as accurate.

Lastly, others have mentioned the CZ 83. I've never shot the 83 but I've held one at the local gun shop. It has quite a bit of weight to it so I can only imagine that it's felt recoil would even be lighter than the Bersa.

sidheshooter
October 30, 2012, 04:00 PM
Felt recoil is dependent upon a number of things, not just energy vs weight. The softest shooting (or, maybe better put, most *pleasant*) .380 that I have shot is the all-steel 230/232. Darn big for today's .380, but something about the grip angle/shape/width, spring rate, slide, bore axis, or whatever, just works.

The softest shooting "micro" .380 that I've tried (out of P3AT, LCP, Kahr P380 and even original short PPK) is by far the Sig P238. For some reason, I just never was totally satisfied with the platform, so I sold mine, but it wasn't because it was hard to shoot.

FWIW.

TennJed
October 30, 2012, 11:43 PM
Makarov in 380

fatcpa
October 31, 2012, 02:16 PM
I've only owned pocket-sized 380's. Just about all of them available over the last 3-4 years. To date, the lightest recoiling is the Sig P238. I also liked the Kahr P380. They are both light guns, but I think a lot has to do with the way they are sprung.

golden
October 31, 2012, 02:36 PM
I have shot several different different .380ACP pistols and the BERETTA 84 was the softest recoiling to me. However, it is a large gun for this caliber and the wide grip to accommodate the double stack magazine and 1 1/2 pound weight are the reason.
I also really like the SIG 232 blue frame model with the non fingergrip plastic grips. It weighs 17 ounces, yet the recoil is not wearing at all to me.
Both are very reliable, accurate and usually have very good triggers.

Jim

cwl1862
October 31, 2012, 09:53 PM
I have and do own several 380 autos and the easiest recoiling was my Taurus PT58HC, followed closly by the Beretta 84, Bersa Thunder 380 Plus, and then there is my Colt Govt model 380 and Walther PK380. The worst recoiling of the lot is the LCP but then for such a small pistol there has to be a trade off, light small pistol combined with a cartrige like the 380 and you have got to expect some recoil. and the last although not a 380 it's a 9mm Mak is my CZ83 which is one great little pistol and if the 380 version (CZ82) si anything like its 9 mak brother I would rate it right up there with the PT58HC and Beretta 84. That CZ has one of the sweetest triggers both single and double action that I've ever had the pleasure of shooting.

TCBPATRIOT
October 31, 2012, 11:41 PM
PK380 all the way. I shoot my buddies and its a great gun. I just don't like the magazine release at allm probably the same reason why I'm not a huge fan of HK pistols

bannockburn
November 1, 2012, 06:12 AM
In a larger full-size gun then the Beretta Model 84 or Browning BDA 380. Great for the range and a decent home defense gun. For something a bit smaller for CCW I would go with the Colt Mustang or the SIG P238.

Bohemus
November 1, 2012, 06:26 AM
Skorpion in .380 http://www.zelenysport.cz/pistole/sa61s-9mm-br-samonabijeci-pistole
Also Kahr P380 has surpisingly low recoil.

rodinal220
November 1, 2012, 03:30 PM
My PPK/s isn't bad for blow back due to the weight.Colt govt/mustang series with the locked breech are good for small guns.

Litlman
November 1, 2012, 04:31 PM
Beretta 84. Lama made one like a mini 1911.

CoRoMo
November 1, 2012, 04:44 PM
I haven't shot them all, but the Star D recoils the least out of all that I have shot.

C0untZer0
November 1, 2012, 05:14 PM
You guys are forgetting the Beretta 86

Paul7
November 1, 2012, 06:06 PM
My new Colt Mustang is the first .380 I've enjoyed shooting. Waaay more comfortable than an LCP or Kel-Tec.

cid71
November 1, 2012, 06:34 PM
I think I have only fired a PPK and a Beretta 84 in .380, but the Beretta made me feel like I was shooting a .22....

PaulKersey3
November 3, 2012, 09:20 AM
I agree with the Beretta 70s. Also the 1911 style lock breech autos in .380 like the colt mustang and Llama III-A

harmon rabb
November 3, 2012, 09:46 AM
PK380 all the way. I shoot my buddies and its a great gun. I just don't like the magazine release at allm probably the same reason why I'm not a huge fan of HK pistols

This. The pk380 is almost as soft as a 22.

larryh1108
November 3, 2012, 11:13 AM
The Llama .380 with the locked breech (mini 1911 design) is a joy to shoot. They went to a blow back design in the 70s but the Especial models were well made and had very low recoil.

Certaindeaf
November 3, 2012, 11:38 AM
Browning M-1922.

http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Manufacturers/Browning/Browning%20380%20Pistol-M1922FN/brp_0039-02[1].jpg

maxsnafu
November 3, 2012, 03:40 PM
I'm not sure the point of the post. This is how I see the issues. If you want really low felt recoil in .380 then yes shoot a heavier weighted gun. Try the full size versions as others have mentioned. The felt recoil will be less. Now the point of the .380 is to have a smaller package for CCW and the like. To that end the Bersa, or my old Browning DBA, or similer sized guns all have very manageble recoil for male or female. If you are just recoil sensitive then maybe a 22 is the way to go.
The point of the post is to satisfy my curiosity. My wife is recoil sensitive and she wants a home defense gun that hasn't too much recoil.

brody
November 3, 2012, 07:11 PM
Everyone that has shot my Walther pk380 has loved it. This includes my wife and mother who had never shot before and both of my daughters. We all agree that there is no more recoil than any of my .22's.

JDBoardman
November 4, 2012, 09:54 AM
If you can find one, you might try the Remington Model 51. Locked breech, delayed recoil operation with very low perceived recoil. It naturally points where you want it to hit, and has a very ergonomic grip design.

It is a flat, easily concealable design, and was one of General Patton's favorite pistols.

J_McLeod
November 4, 2012, 10:53 AM
I think a CZ83 is very light shooting. However my LCP with a 95gr bullet and .28gr of 231 is also pretty light.

bds
November 4, 2012, 11:17 AM
How about Glock 25/28 chambered for .380 Auto?

IME, Glock polymer frame and RSA do a nice job of taming felt recoil, even for snappy 40S&W.


Glock 25 - 4" barrel, 20 oz empty and 15-19 round capacity - http://www.glock.com/english/glock25_tech.htm

Glock 28 - 3.46" barrel, 18.6 oz empty and 12-19 round capacity - http://www.glock.com/english/glock28_tech.htm

And before you comment that G25/G28 are for sale to law enforcement personnel only, consider the following (this is for California so check your state gun laws) - http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/FAQ
Is there any way to buy a handgun that is not on the Safe Handgun Roster?

Yes. Current law enforcement (not retired) is exempt from the Handgun Roster, and may resell off-Roster handguns to non-LEO.

Non-LEO may also sell off-Roster handguns through the CA Private Party Transfer (PPT) process at an FFL.
LGS stock G25/G28 in "LEO only" display cases.

herkyguy
November 5, 2012, 04:36 PM
Sig P238. I had given up on a fun-to-shoot .380 until I found this little gem.

History.Doc
November 5, 2012, 06:11 PM
I own the LCP and the CZ 83 and the recoil on the two really doesn't compare. The LCP is no fun to shoot. The CZ 83 is really fun to shoot. For my wife and mother I went in a different direction though. For my mom I recommended getting the LCR in .357, then had her shoot .38 out of it. For my wife we have the single action blackhawk, also in .357 but loaded with .38. To each his/her own. I just know that my wife and mother don't shoot often and the revolver is so much easier to understand, conceptually. Less to remember and very easy recoil seemed to be the way to go. You know your spouse better than anyone else. I just can't imagine my wife or mother racking a slide or doing anything else necessary to fire an autoloader safely. I really like the Ruger single six in stainless with the .22 wmr as an option. Very effective, simple, safe, and almost no recoil. Just something to think about.

gazpacho
November 5, 2012, 09:52 PM
Home Defense Gun with low recoil?

A pistol caliber carbine, probably 9mm.

Or, if money is no object, an H&k SP89 or proven reliable clone.

If extreme low recoil is needed, then a tuned Ruger 10/22 Charger with a drum mag and a passive red dot sight.

TennJed
November 5, 2012, 10:21 PM
I have not seen it mentioned and have no experience with it but sig now chambers the P250 subcompact in 380. Has anyone shot it? I would assume the recoil is low

mr.natural
November 13, 2012, 09:34 PM
I shoot a Browning BDA .380.. It's not a pocket pistol.. But I can't hit the side of a barn with a .40 or .45 or 10 mil.... With the Browning on a quick draw, i can put 13 into a softball size circle at 8 yards in 4 seconds... I think that will do the trick...

popper
November 15, 2012, 03:42 PM
Star D - had one years ago, a fine all steel pistol. Europe police issue. Goes 'pop' and you are still on target.

maxsnafu
November 15, 2012, 08:01 PM
If you can find one, you might try the Remington Model 51. Locked breech, delayed recoil operation with very low perceived recoil. It naturally points where you want it to hit, and has a very ergonomic grip design.

It is a flat, easily concealable design, and was one of General Patton's favorite pistols.
How right you are! I have one of these (inherited from my dad) and it is wonderful. The only problem is that it's a bit of a booger to field strip.

303 hunter
November 15, 2012, 08:25 PM
what about the High Point? It's bigger than my 1911,should not kick at all! lol

Dr.Rob
November 17, 2012, 02:35 AM
Browning BDA/Beretta 84.

You can really get a grip on them unlike many pocket pistols.

snooperman
November 17, 2012, 09:51 AM
My Grand daughter carries the Walther PK 380 and it has the least recoil of any I have shot for a light weight carry gun. It is very easy to rack the slide as well.

AABEN
November 17, 2012, 09:54 AM
The heaver the gun the less felt.

Hokkmike
November 17, 2012, 01:33 PM
From experience I can tell you that the Bersa has no thumb wracking recoil.

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