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Busyhands94
October 30, 2012, 08:50 PM
This morning I went out nice and early to go blow off some steam with my Remington NMA as well as a couple other firearms that I love. I brought the steel framed one, got about three cylinders through with round balls and 30 grains of Goex. Oh boy I love that pistol, and ever since I put a nice cold blue on her and modified the sights to suit me, I've been in love. My friend went along with me and shot too, she loved that revolver! She even asked to shoot some hotter rounds so I bumped it up to 40 grains and a ball, she was like Annie Oakley! :what: I was getting outshot by a lady. She liked my shotgun too, oh man she can really shoot! :D

So on about the 6th cylinder I was loading a ball with the rammer, it sheared the pin and boogered up the hole that it goes through. They both snapped at once, is that uncommon? :confused:

So I seated that ball with a short starter from my range bag, fired the 4 shots I had loaded, and put it away for the rest of the trip.

My question is where's the cheapest place to get a Pietta Remmy loading lever and pivot screw? I really hope I don't have to shell out $100 to fix my gun, does anyone here have one that is used?

Thanks!
~Levi

P.S. kinda off topic but I figured I would share, I have been developing BP loads for my 16 gauge shotgun that are for extended ranges. I am using a three fingered wad made from an empty 20 gauge hull over 2.5 drams of Goex and a mini nitro card wad. I haven't detected any plastic deposits so far! More info when I continue testing.

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vagunmonkey
October 30, 2012, 09:07 PM
try dixiegunworks.com and search for "loading lever" there are several options...

Jim, West PA
October 30, 2012, 09:10 PM
Here's a parts list and prices Levi from VTI

Looks like an under $50 fix.
Why not drill it out for next size pin ?

http://www.vtigunparts.com/store/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=67&cat=Pietta+1858+Remington%2C+Tiro

arcticap
October 30, 2012, 10:22 PM
There's a new old stock Pietta/Navy Arms complete loading lever assembly that's bargain priced on Gunbroker:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=314207745

Busyhands94
October 30, 2012, 11:20 PM
Steve, you da man! I might just have to scrape up the dough for that, I mean that's a really good price! Guess I'll be selling knives and bullets, I also need to get a new card.

Lunie
October 30, 2012, 11:49 PM
Where is the usual banter about the NMA's mythical strength? You mean they are mortal after all? ;)

Hope you get it fixed soon Levi. You're a handy feller, I'm sure you'll manage.

Busyhands94
October 31, 2012, 12:01 AM
Smith's or Colts break, and Rugers break too, guns were made by man and man is imperfect.
Now if God started going into the gun biz, and making 58's you'd have an indestructible revolver. 25 grains of Bullseye? No problem if you're wrist can take it! :D

I have been thinking about this a lot, there might be a soloution other than just buying a new loading lever. I may need to re-manufacture a screw to fit the hole once I get it out, but I could possibly make a new one.

Lunie
October 31, 2012, 11:50 AM
Smith's or Colts break, and Rugers break too, guns were made by man and man is imperfect.
Now if God started going into the gun biz, and making 58's you'd have an indestructible revolver. 25 grains of Bullseye? No problem if you're wrist can take it! :D

I have been thinking about this a lot, there might be a soloution other than just buying a new loading lever. I may need to re-manufacture a screw to fit the hole once I get it out, but I could possibly make a new one.
I know they do Levi, I was just poking a little fun. ;)

I was wondering when you would start thinking about homebrew solutions. Post some pics if ya like.

raa-7
November 2, 2012, 12:12 PM
Let us know how you made out with it.(I'm betting you can fix it with your own part/parts and work . I'm saying this because I've seen all yer videos. :D

Busyhands94
November 2, 2012, 04:30 PM
Gentlemen, I have been pondering over this matter for quite a while now. Probably 8 cups of coffee and about 12 pipes of Capt. Black later I still haven't come up with a way to fix this in a way that would be durable enough for my standards. I thought about dovetailing something in but abandoned that idea due to there not being enough metal (I think) for a good strong dovetail. To make it worse I am not very good at dovetailing, of course I did put that front sight on my Remington. And yes, it is accurate. 20 grains and my 360 grain monster bullets will do this at 50 yards. Keep in mind I'm not the best pistoleer.
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/Photo0077.jpg
The sights are a lot like what I have on my Smith and Wesson M-10, but higher profile and easier to see. Just a square notch with a squared off post that is the front sight. I may make a thicker version of this sight though, I'm not getting the control over windage that I'd like.

Cosmoline
November 2, 2012, 08:25 PM
Am I reading that sign right? You're *upset* with not having all 6 in a tight group at fifty YARDS?

Busyhands94
November 2, 2012, 08:43 PM
Well... I'd be really really happy to have baseball sized groups. Cloverleaf groups would be very lovely as well, silver dollar sized would be delightful. And if I did as good with my windage as I did with my elevation I'd be a very happy man.

351 WINCHESTER
November 2, 2012, 09:31 PM
Where did you get 360 gr. monster bullets? Looks like they stabilize just fine in your 58.

Busyhands94
November 2, 2012, 09:37 PM
I made them by deepening the cavity on my Lee 200 Grain round nosed bullet mold. They are very deadly, and sail right on through cinder blocks without much of an issue at all.

They are a tad rough (probably since I still haven't gotten around to polishing the cavity) but are accurate and nasty. Here they are, hope you can see em' close enough to get an idea of what they are like.
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/remmyguncontrol.jpg

swopjan
November 3, 2012, 01:54 AM
I think some pics of your ladyfriend holding the other guns would help this topic. For... comparison! or something...

Busyhands94
November 3, 2012, 02:25 AM
That trip I brought my camera, but forgot the SD card. :banghead:

Of course next time we do a little "blackpowder dating" I will take pictures. She's a great shooting buddy, although I'm seriously outclassed! That gal shoots my pistols, rifles, and shotgun better than I do! :D Humbling to say the least. :)

YumaKid
November 3, 2012, 02:40 PM
Yup. One of the "Most Favorite Sayings" on a couple of the classic musclecar forums I visit is "Pics or it didn't happen!" Must see this lass playing Annie Oakly with your pistolas and shotgun and such.

Don't feel bad about the girl's shooting prowess. My wife outshoots me with just about everything except full-house .44Mag rounds out of my 629, and anything out of a shotgun - she just doesn' like shotguns.
Those few times when we get a REAL day off together (neither one of is on-call) will find us on horseback or out shooting. She's telling me that, next time we can go shooting, she wants some time with my Remmies. Bet I lose my 5-1/2 incher before we go home. That's what happened with the sweet little Model 13 that I had.... now I get to look at it when she has it out, but otherwise, IT'S HERS!

TomADC
November 3, 2012, 02:48 PM
Levi, check with CaptainKirk he may have a spare he'd sell.

Busyhands94
November 3, 2012, 03:40 PM
The sad part is I knew exactly where I left the SD card for my camera sitting. :( That would have been great to make a nice shooting video and get some proper footage with that Armsport Remington. Chelsea loved shooting that one because the grip was smaller than the Pietta. Good gun for sure!

Tom, outstanding idea. I'll send Kirk a PM today and see if he's got one that he could sell.

scrat
November 3, 2012, 05:31 PM
Stop the presses Stop the presses


Levi what bullet mold is that for the conical in the pic.

Busyhands94
November 3, 2012, 05:34 PM
Scrat, it's a modified Lee mold that I did by deepening the cavity.

scrat
November 3, 2012, 06:06 PM
wow those are nice

Busyhands94
November 3, 2012, 06:25 PM
Thanks, I'm considering selling some once I polish the mold. They do require you start them before getting them under the loading lever to finish the job, but it's worth it IMHO to be shooting 360 grains of lead and to have raw power like that!

Oh yeah, and 20 grains doesn't sound like a typical 20 grain charge. It's actually a lot deeper boom than with a ball or regular conical. Hotter charges make it sound a lot like Dirty Harry's .44! :D

damoc
November 3, 2012, 10:35 PM
do you think loading your monster homebrew bullets is what caused the breakage?

are you using a soft lead or wheel weights?

Busyhands94
November 4, 2012, 12:15 AM
I actually only loaded one cylinder of monster bullets with the loading lever, the rest were with a loading stand. I was using soft lead to cast these too, as with all my BP revolver bullets. When I was loading a round ball it snapped, so I'm guessing I should melt down that batch and turn them into buckshot so I don't have to pay for two loading levers.

damoc
November 4, 2012, 12:34 AM
what about ball size ae you using 454 o 457?

just tying to figure if this is just a freak breakage or something i may have in my future

Busyhands94
November 4, 2012, 01:08 AM
The balls were .454's.

Busyhands94
November 4, 2012, 10:59 PM
Update: Tested out those home brew conical bullets today. The load was 20 grains of Pyrodex Pistol, fired into some lumber. Untreated 2X4, might have been maple. Not sure though, but the bullets did this out of an 8" Remington:
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/SAM_0430.jpg
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/SAM_0432.jpg
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/SAM_0431.jpg

What do you guys think about this expansion?

Jim, West PA
November 4, 2012, 11:39 PM
Don't 'spect ya could ask fer any better 'nat Levi.
Gotta shoot some flesh with 'em.

How ya gonna polish that mold ?

Oh, and real cool old porcelan sink.

Oh yeah, and if you got maple 2x4's stop shootin 'em and sell 'em.;)

Busyhands94
November 5, 2012, 12:07 AM
Jim, next time I'll have to take out some kind of ballistic testing media to get an idea of the penetration. Of course, that being said bad guys or medium game isn't going to be packed with wet newspaper!:neener:

As for polishing the mold, I bet some very fine emery cloth around a wooden dowel and carefully turned that by hand would do the trick. Maybe just some polishing compound like Brasso and a .45 cotton brush in a drill press to give it a nice shine!

My dad told me they are fir, and it was only a 1' long section of board. I reckon if I were to find a bunch of maple 2X4's there's be a nice new gun around here!

Another thing of interest but a little off topic, here's what 80 grains of Goex and a 1 oz slug will do from a 16 gauge shotgun. To tell you the truth I honestly thought it would not make it through the piece of lumber. The recoil was actually lighter than a Remington factory game load with birdshot, but WOW... 4" of pressure treated lumber! I literally watched that deer slug tumble on the ground and harmlessly land at the base of a gopher mound after going through that piece of wood. The pencil marks the path of the slug, tip is going through the same way the lead did. Not really on topic, but BP related and I figured I should share it with the THR community. :D

BlackNet
November 5, 2012, 09:50 AM
We never use the loading lever on the revolver. Just pop out the cylinder and use this stand for it.

http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/d/30709-2/IMG_8292.JPG

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