Recommend me a belt


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Skribs
October 31, 2012, 01:14 PM
I'm interested in a black leather belt (that looks like an ordinary belt) for CCW or just normal clothes when I'm in non-carry locations. Something that will hold up to carrying, but preferably isn't too expensive. Anyone have any advice for me?

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Mikhail Weiss
October 31, 2012, 01:34 PM
Something like this, maybe?

http://www.looperlawenforcement.com/looper-reinforced-holster-belt.html

smalls
October 31, 2012, 01:34 PM
Do you have a price limit in mind?

Glaco offers some good belts in the "value" department. I've been wearing one for about a year now (sorry, can't remember which model), and it shows no real signs of wear.

But, if I had the money I'd go with one from the Beltman.

rondog
October 31, 2012, 02:05 PM
I use a Beltster. Carries a 1911 with ease, and holds my pants up. One helluva chunk of leather too. Just another option. Some people like them, some scoff at the idea, and some act like they just stepped in something unsavory. But for ME, it's the perfect solution.

CPO15
October 31, 2012, 02:07 PM
http://www.agcustomgunleather.com/


These are great. You'll,have the "quick ship" model in a week or less.

bigfatdave
October 31, 2012, 04:49 PM
beltman

I liked mine so much that I bought a second one in horsehide

Double_J
October 31, 2012, 04:55 PM
Mitch Rosen Express Line. I wear one every day and have for 7 years. Still fits just like new.

RUT
October 31, 2012, 05:10 PM
http://www.bullhidebelts.com/

coolluke01
October 31, 2012, 05:48 PM
http://www.hanksclothing.com/amish_belts_black_buy.html

For the price you can't beat it. I have one and it works good. I now have a wilderness tactical belt that works better as it's infinitely adjustable. I still wear the leather belt when I tuck in my shirt.

erikk8829
October 31, 2012, 06:46 PM
I have a couple of Bullhide belts that I like very much

Skribs
November 1, 2012, 11:42 AM
Well I ordered one of the cheaper Galco holsters. We'll see how I like it.

Kcinnick
November 1, 2012, 12:30 PM
Black is $75 and $6 shipping. 1.5", two layers Hermann oak leather. Inside layer is natural, outside is black to prevent black rubbing off on your clothes. The layers are cemented and stitched together. Leather is much higher quality than "Bullhide". Only bull hide I have seen available is cheap Leather from Mexico. Really, would you rather want the skin of a Teenager or an old man? Think about it, the young American cows are a much better source for nice clean, strong leather. Roller or regualr buckle, buckles are brass, some of the tongues may be stainless steel.

http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u514/ferraraleather/146.jpg

mdauben
November 1, 2012, 02:02 PM
I'm interested in a black leather belt (that looks like an ordinary belt) for CCW or just normal clothes when I'm in non-carry locations. Something that will hold up to carrying, but preferably isn't too expensive. Anyone have any advice for me?

My choice for leather gun belts would be The Belt Man (http://thebeltman.net/). Not sure what you consider not too expensive, but they have 1.25" double layer, bullhide belts in standard sized for $70.

AABEN
November 1, 2012, 03:06 PM
Why brake the law? And chance loosing your gun CC or even going to jail!!

Spats McGee
November 1, 2012, 04:42 PM
I use an Aker B21: http://www.akerleather.com/

Kcinnick
November 3, 2012, 04:29 AM
My choice for leather gun belts would be The Belt Man (http://thebeltman.net/). Not sure what you consider not too expensive, but they have 1.25" double layer, bullhide belts in standard sized for $70.
The belt man has some questionable statements about the quality of leather on his website. Bull hide in the leather industry means Branded, Mexican hides tanned in Mexico. Think about it, we don't kill bulls here in the US since we don't have a sporting purpose for them. I like to think about it like this. The American cow hides have skin akin to a teenagers, nice, supple, firm, consistent. Mexican bullhides has skin like an old person. Wounds that heal slowly, scars, brands, these puss ball things that I cannot describe, soft spots or scar tissue, it is quite nasty leather on the back side and not nearly as strong as quality Hermann Oak Leather.

There are a few things you should be looking for when getting a belt.

1. The leather used, Hermann Oak is best, Wicket and Craig is acceptable (won't last as long as Hermann Oak, then the Amish run factories in Mexico using American hides produce the next quality of leather. Bull hide is not used by respected leather workers, at least in the circles I have been associated with. It is a good marketing term.
2. Construction. There are many choices the maker can make as far as skiving and attaching the buckle to the belt, but you want two layers cemented together then stitched. One without the other is pointless, together they will provide a very strong belt. I don't like to double stitch because it puts a few hundred more unnecessary holes to let water in.
3. Buckle - Should be solid brass, I have sacrificed on a few designs to get a solid brass buckle with stainless tongue in order to have a reasonable sized tongue. Sometimes the brass Tongues are too big to be practical.
4. A good belt keeper. I use to sew my belt keepers thinking that is the way it should be done, then I was introduced to the copper staple. I had a handful of hand stitched keepers come apart, mainly the knot pulled through the leather, the copper staples stay put.
5. Should be attached with chicago screws. Snaps can wear out and stitching doesn't give you the option to change buckles.

I will give the first High Road member $10 off their belt order if they are the willing to post about the belt when they get it. It takes getting in someones hand that you are getting a belts that should sell for over $100 in the $75-$90 range.

TAKtical
November 3, 2012, 05:14 AM
Zlogonje.com He has really nice belts starting at $45. Very nice guy, I met him and his wife at a competition earlier this year. Definitely worth taking a look.

maskedman504
November 3, 2012, 06:46 AM
I got a belt from thebeltman.com last month and am nothing but pleased.

bigfatdave
November 3, 2012, 09:00 PM
Why brake the law? And chance loosing your gun CC or even going to jail!!

1 - what does this have to do with anything? Are you even posting in the right thread?
2 - "break", not "brake" ... "lose", not "loose" (you'll be taken more seriously if you aren't writing with confused homophones)

bigfatdave
November 3, 2012, 09:02 PM
Kcinnick - I've yet to see any dis-satisfied reviews on Beltman's product, in fact I see the opposite, a whole bunch of people who got belts that are tough and look good.

Are you making assumptions about the leather source, or do you know for sure?

coolluke01
November 3, 2012, 09:38 PM
for CCW or just normal clothes when I'm in non-carry locations.
This can be misread as CCW in non-carry locations.

The belt man has some questionable statements about the quality of leather on his website.

I had to read this twice before I got (what I think) is his true meaning. This is a statement from the beltman about other leather quality. Not questioning the quality of the beltmans leather.

The Lone Haranguer
November 4, 2012, 12:25 AM
I'm very pleased with my own Beltman belt.

22-rimfire
November 4, 2012, 12:30 AM
I have one from Rafter S that I have been pleased with.

Kcinnick
November 4, 2012, 01:45 AM
Kcinnick - I've yet to see any dis-satisfied reviews on Beltman's product, in fact I see the opposite, a whole bunch of people who got belts that are tough and look good.

Are you making assumptions about the leather source, or do you know for sure?
I have never seen Bull hide for sale from an American source. I have experience working with variety of leathers. IMO Hermann Oak is the best. All the bull hide I have seen I wouldn't buy, the grain side may look OK, but flip it over and you can tell the age from defects in the leather. I can't say where the beltman gets his leather from, but bull hide is just a marketing thing. It's cheap leather, I can get it for 1/2 or less than what I buy Hermann Oak for, but I get good deals on Hermann oak leather with the amount I purchase and go through I am on the lowest pricing tier.

I deal with the 3 largest leather suppliers in the US and NONE of them have US bull hide, not that I want it. An American cow hide is taking the hide in the prime and I have no desire for old man skin type leather.

bainter1212
November 4, 2012, 01:09 AM
Just an alternate suggestion here - go to etsy.com and search for "leather belt". Etsy is a huge marketplace where folks make and sell handmade goods. You can get some very well made leather goods for sometimes a criminally low price. I found a guy on etsy who is my go-to guy for custom leather holsters. He is a retired guy in Texas who goes the extra mile as far as quality goes, and charges just over cost. Just my 2 cents.

rondog
November 4, 2012, 02:54 AM
Guess I'd better put up a photo of a Beltster, since nobody knows what I'm talking about. http://www.banderagunleather.com/

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/holsters%20and%20grips/Beltster.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/holsters%20and%20grips/DSCN1465.jpg

Kcinnick
November 4, 2012, 09:22 AM
Somebody should really cover that trigger.

I have done designs incorporated into belts for knives and magazines, but I would never imagine doing it for a full size gun, the trigger is not covered, I am sure the pull is minimal. Looks like an AD waiting to happen. Obviously it is only a single layer belt, and from the looks of the picture the back looks to be unfinished, but I know this can be deceiving since I have taken pictures I know the leather is smooth as class and it looked unfinished in the picture. Still, looks to be a very rough grain, not a quality tight piece of leather. I might take some pictures of good and bad leather and an entire hide to show the difference in what Is used and what the typical back of a bull hide looks like.

TAKtical
November 4, 2012, 09:37 AM
Kcinnick, I see that you never have anything positive to say about any product that isnt yours. When I wanted to advertise my products on this forum I sent out free holsters to THR members and just asked them to do a review after they had worn them for a while. Then I started a for sale thread and Ive sold quite a few holsters. Just a little advice, speaking ill of everyone elses products is not good advertising for you. This is the High Road, so just put a link to your website in your signature or something.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 4, 2012, 09:46 AM
Search for Big Jim, c5 Leather, Colorado.

TAKtical
November 4, 2012, 09:58 AM
+1 for c5. If his belts are even half as good as his IWB mag carriers you wont be disappointed.

Kcinnick
November 4, 2012, 10:25 AM
Oh, I have said positive things about other products. The "Bull" brands and single layer stuff is quite lacking. Rosen makes some quality products. I mean, Akers and triple K have been offered as quality products on this forum. I do want to sell as much as I can, but didn't join to sell, I just ran across a belt thread with bad advice. A 1911 with exposed trigger isn't safe, just a fact. Here is a quote from MitchRosen.com that pretty much backs up the other things I have been saying.

"Q: Is there any advantage to horsehide?

A: There is absolutley no advantage to horsehide as a material for high-quality holster manufacture. All of our standard products are constructed of best quality cowhide. However, we do keep some horsehide in stock for those who have been successfully advertised to.


Bullhide a bunch of bull.

The latest fad among some gun belt makers is bullhide. Bullhide is an extremely low quality leather imported from Mexico at low cost. Bulls are killed for their hides at a much older age, and therefore the leather tends to be raggy and full of fat wrinkles (soft spots in the leather). You will observe that many bullhide belts have stiffening "inserts" in them to overcome the leathers deficiencies. This is completely unnecessary with best quality cowhide, and is clear evidence of bullhide's inferiority. "

I am just trying to tell people they are paying too much for inferior products. I could put together a list of quality leather workers, as I know most of them personally. Like I said before if you ever need anything, let me know, I am more than willing to help a craftsman out. I believe I said at one point I was honored to have my belts compared to Rosen belts. Only issue with Kramer Belts was cost, not quality. There are other quality products out there, most are "Small time" like me. I make my belts and holsters by hand with the best leather in the world and don't charge an arm and a leg for them. I just don't want bad advise from the "bull" sites to get regurgitated as fact, when bull hide is just cheap Mexican leather.

340PD
November 6, 2012, 09:16 AM
Rick Garcia at makes a great product at very affordable prices. I have three and they are all used on a regular basis. The black one is 1-1/4" and embossed to keep it on the dressier side.
http://www.rgleather.freehomepage.com/

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/sidebyside.jpg

Ehtereon11B
November 7, 2012, 03:11 AM
I use a Gould and Goodrich Security Pro 1.5 inch belt. Holds a firearm pretty well and has a removable buckle to dress up for flashier occasions. Or rodeos. Uscav carries them for $11 and they work amazing.

birdshooter
November 7, 2012, 08:15 AM
I've been real pleased with my belt from Simply Rugged. I think it was $50.

AC1911
November 8, 2012, 09:37 AM
+1 for Rick at RG Leather, excellent work and a great guy to deal with.

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