Paddle or Not?


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dbp
November 2, 2012, 12:32 PM
Getting a G26 and trying to decide on a OWB holster. I like the idea of a paddle in being able to easily remove and put back on.

However, I have seen a few posts and a youtube video touting the danger of having a paddle ripped from your side by a BG. In your opinion is this a legitimate concern? I guess it could happen, but what are the odds?

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coolluke01
November 2, 2012, 12:44 PM
I carried my 26 with a fobus paddle holster last night. (under a jacket). They stay put well and wont get ripped off by a BG. They will pull the gun out before they get the holster. Unless you have a retention strap.

I'm thinking about getting a different OWB holster for CC though. The Fobus paddle holster sticks out kinda far. I have a feeling holsters that mount on the belt sit closer to the side and would be more comfortable to wear when sitting in a car and lay flatter under a jacket.

highorder
November 2, 2012, 12:49 PM
The Fobus paddle holster sticks out kinda far.

I have a Fobus Evolution paddle for my M&P9. It's a good range holster, but I have no illusions about it being concealable.

dbp
November 2, 2012, 01:13 PM
Wild Bill claims to have taken care of that problem with their paddle design.

http://www.wildbillsconcealment.com/wildbill/shop/item.aspx?itemid=3014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J22CrBSUDcs

9mmepiphany
November 2, 2012, 03:16 PM
I'm a big fan of the paddle holster and have one for several different guns...Fobus, Uncle Mike, Blackhawk, Comp-Tec, Blade-Tec, Safariland

I'd be more concerned about how far the holster sticks out and how stable it is on the belt and someone ripping it off the belt...after all, it should be out of sight when you CCW.

The paddle holster that sticks out the most is the Fobus Revolution because of it's swivel system. The one that sticks out the least is the Comp-Tec Paddle and Settable Cant Paddle.

The Will Bill Fusion looks a lot like a Comp-Tec Paddle in leather. I really like the leather reinforcement around the mouth and the clearance at the root of the trigger guard. I have some concerns about the lack of adjustment for belt width...but then it's only $60. I found it a bit strange that they make separate models for the H&K P7 PSP and M8, but not for the Kahr CW9 and P9...they don't make a Fusion specifically for the Springfield EMP at all

Teachu2
November 2, 2012, 03:18 PM
Getting a G26 and trying to decide on a OWB holster. I like the idea of a paddle in being able to easily remove and put back on.

However, I have seen a few posts and a youtube video touting the danger of having a paddle ripped from your side by a BG. In your opinion is this a legitimate concern? I guess it could happen, but what are the odds?
Not any more concern than any other open holster. I carry my G30 in one, as I cannot carry at work and it is easy to take on and off. It does require a baggy garment to conceal, but that's the compromise for the convenience.

Any holster/clothing combo that exposes the fact that you are carrying exposes you to the risk of attack. When I'm not going to work, IWB is chosen. When I'm riding my Harley, it's a shoulder holster.

JTQ
November 2, 2012, 04:01 PM
As mentioned, paddle holsters, for the most part, tend to stick out from the body and don't conceal particularly well. Lack of stability and security on the belt are also probably reasonable concerns, though. Another thing to think about is the number of parts involved in the typical paddle holster. Lots of opportunities for something to break.

Possibly a better option for a concealment easy on/easy off holster would be a snap on holster such as the Alessi CQC-S. They are also sold through Brownell's.
http://shop.alessigunholsters.com/Belt-Holster/CQC-S

If you like kydex there is Aholster.
http://www.lefthandholster.com

Or, if you'd like your kydex leather lined, there is Garrett Industries.
http://garrettindustries.mybigcommerce.com/silent-thunder-stx-with-leather-loops/

Another thing to think about is for a "righty", you typically only need to undo your belt and back it out one or two loops to remove most belt holsters. I think I could probably do that easier and quicker than removing a paddle holster that has a secure mount system. If I were a "lefty" it may be worth it to me to have a paddle holster, as I'd practically have to remove my belt to get my holster off.

smalls
November 2, 2012, 05:49 PM
My experience with paddle holsters is limited to the basic Fobus ones. It was alright, especially if I was just heading to somewhere I couldn't carry. But it would flop around way too much, especially if I was running up stairs or something.

Kcinnick
November 2, 2012, 06:45 PM
I have had paddle holsters made from some of the best in the business, they are all for range use. If I am carrying, I am wearing leather. I get crap from guys at matches when I have a custom kydex holster on when I make leather holsters.

If you want a good OWB holster for carry, get a well made leather pancake holster. If you want something easy to take off, a holster made with snap loops is by far the easiest holsters to remove yet one of the steadiest holsters (short of a pancake) but still very secure.

dbp
November 2, 2012, 07:48 PM
I have a Snapper from High Noon for another gun and liked it fine. I just thought that a paddle would be an improvement in terms of flexibility of wear. But from the replies, I am beginning to think the paddle may not be ideal for EDC.

Well, now to start the search for a good snapper -- HN is just too expensive for me at this time.

Thanks for your input.

Teachu2
November 2, 2012, 08:01 PM
My experience with paddle holsters is limited to the basic Fobus ones. It was alright, especially if I was just heading to somewhere I couldn't carry. But it would flop around way too much, especially if I was running up stairs or something.
If I have to run up stairs (with MY knees) my gun is in my hand, 'cuz someone's gonna get shot!

smalls
November 2, 2012, 11:46 PM
I tend to run up stairs instead of walk, dunno why, haha. But any sort of fast movement including fast paced walking had my paddle flopping around.

barstoolguru
November 3, 2012, 12:12 AM
I have a fobus holster for my G26 an I love it so much I am a second one for my G23 just because they are cheap (23.00 and 15.00 for the sec on EBay). as far as them sticking out mine sticks out an inch. no holster will do every job so get over that Idea but for a throw it on and go to the store holster or a range holster you can't beat them

Tip; take the rivet out just under the trigger and replace it with a fine thread nut and bolt and you can adjust the retention


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9mmepiphany
November 3, 2012, 12:31 AM
I tend to run up stairs instead of walk, dunno why, haha. But any sort of fast movement including fast paced walking had my paddle flopping around.
That's odd, usually the paddle is pretty much secured by the material of the pants...you wouldn't be wearing the paddle only being secured by the belt, would you?

smalls
November 3, 2012, 03:21 AM
Nope, inside my pants. I tried it once just through the belt, and it slid around, and flopped 100x more.

Now that I think about it, it might be because Fobus holsters are made of such thin plastic?

KenW.
November 4, 2012, 07:53 PM
Paddle guys, look at this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ

coolluke01
November 4, 2012, 08:08 PM
That's the crappiest holster I've ever seen. There's no way you could do that with a fobus holster or other good quality holsters.

What a joke.

KenW.
November 4, 2012, 08:12 PM
Hey, they broke it. Look closely at the constuction and materials used before you stake you life on one. Make your own informed decision.

While I do have Serpas (with the belt attachment, not the paddle) for each of my pistols, I greatly prefer my leather belt-mounted holsters.

9mmepiphany
November 4, 2012, 08:34 PM
There's no way you could do that with a fobus holster or other good quality holsters.
What's interesting is that the holster in the video is a Fobus. I've seen that video before and understand the perceived limitations of the holster style

I have a drawer full of various Fobus holsters the I use for different activities...I only paid $9 for each...and I like them quite a bit. But I don't think of them as a good quality holster...they are more useful or serviceable...much like an Uncle Mike's paddle holster (have a couple of these too).

I think good quality paddle holsters start at Blade-tech and Comp-tac

coolluke01
November 4, 2012, 10:36 PM
I guess I should have said my fobus roto holster. It's pretty strong.

I haven't bought any of the others so I can't really speak for them.

The video didn't say what holster they where using, so there's not way to know for sure.

I've seen knockoffs that "look" just like the real thing from a distance.

Frank Ettin
November 5, 2012, 12:28 AM
I'm not a fan of paddle holsters. For an OWB holster that easy to put on and take off I prefer one with snap loops that go over the belt. I like the Milt Sparks Axiom a great deal.

Here's (http://ezine.m1911.org/MiltSparksAxiom.htm) an article I wrote about the Axiom.

The Lone Haranguer
November 5, 2012, 12:52 AM
I haven't tried any premium (e.g., Kramer MSP) paddle holsters, but the ones I have tried space the holster and gun too far away from my body for my liking.

barstoolguru
November 5, 2012, 02:03 AM
the video is 5 years old and improvemets have made and if someone has there hand on the gun why would the they try and rip it off instead of just pulling the gun out?

for every bad video there is a good one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dTc86c_H_k

9mmepiphany
November 5, 2012, 02:07 AM
You don't even have to go premium to get a paddle holster that will pull the gun into your body like a good belt holster. The Comp-Tac Settable Cant I use with my SIG 220ST/226ST is a prime example.

The Will Bill's paddle in post #4 looks like it pulls in pretty snug too

Doc3402
November 5, 2012, 06:07 AM
However, I have seen a few posts and a youtube video touting the danger of having a paddle ripped from your side by a BG. In your opinion is this a legitimate concern? I guess it could happen, but what are the odds?

If the weapon is truly concealed the chance of a bad guy even knowing there is something to go for is lessened. Unfortunately, the paddle holsters make it darn difficult to truly conceal anything. My advice would be get a belt designed for concealed carry and either a good pancake or belt slide type holster. I carry a G27 in a Tagua belt slide that is very comfortable and hugs the body well.

Something to keep in mind. If you need to go somewhere that doesn't allow you to carry, wearing a concealed holster is not against the law. Take the gun out of the holster, secure it well, and leave the holster on.

fatcat4620
November 5, 2012, 02:44 PM
Fobus added a metal strip to their basic holster. The older ones without it could break but the newer ones (with red backing) will not. I like the blackhawk padle because it it's not going anywhere and is even hard to take off yourself. As fit ccw its pancake or iwb for m.e

X-Rap
November 5, 2012, 03:06 PM
I don't like to put myself into a corner with the "If I had to have just one" but if it were true of holsters and my Glock I would probably pick the Fobus.
I don't see the problem some seem to be having with the conceal ability of the Fobus over many of the OWB holsters I own or have seen. If the comparison is IWB then it's apples to oranges.
At this moment I am wearing an Askins Avenger style (which pulls the gun in quite well) and when comparing it to my Fobus under a pull fleece pull over I can't tell any difference.

9mmepiphany
November 5, 2012, 03:52 PM
At this moment I am wearing an Askins Avenger style (which pulls the gun in quite well)
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the Akins Avenger, manufactured by Bianchi, isn't a style or even an original design.

It is based on the Bruce Nelson Professional design originally produced, with permission, by Milt Sparks (BN55). It is one of the timeless designs that many holster makers offer.

Here is one by Rafter-L that is close to the original:
http://www.combatgunleather.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=60&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=46

...and another by Bulman, for Chen Custom:
http://store.chencustom.com/v/vspfiles/photos/categories/97.jpg

Frank Ettin
November 5, 2012, 04:02 PM
...It is based on the Bruce Nelson Professional design originally produced, with permission, by Milt Sparks (BN55). It is one of the timeless designs that many holster makers offer....And it's a wonderful holster design.

My first holster, which I still use on occasion, was a Galco Avenger. Here I'm wearing it at rifle class at Gunsite a few years ago.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/fiddletown_2006/Arizona/GT1_edited.jpg


And here I'm wearing Bulman's version, also at Gunsite.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/fiddletown_2006/Arizona/IMG_0986-Version2.jpg


Forgive the digression please. Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.

mgmorden
November 5, 2012, 05:11 PM
I have a few paddle holsters, but overall I don't tend to prefer them. To me getting the paddle on is actually MORE of a hassle then just unclasping the belt and slipping on a belt holster, AND it feels less secure.

I'm a fan though of the varieties like BladeTech and/or Blackhawk that include both attachments in the package and let the user decide for themselves which they prefer.

9mmepiphany
November 5, 2012, 06:15 PM
What I like about a paddle holster is the freedom it offers as to placement on the belt regardless of the location of beltloops and such

Double_J
November 5, 2012, 06:49 PM
I have both a paddle holster (serpa) and a belt holster. They both get used, which one depends on what I am wearing and where I am going. I prefer the serpa when I am going to be wearing a loose fitting jacket/shirt, or if I am OCing. The belt holster is used when I am wearing a less loose fitting cover garment. I no longer own any IWB holsters due to weight gain, and the holsters being cheaply made. I don't care for the entire rig digging into my hip, it gets old very quickly. I had a fobus holster that I used before I got the serpa and had no problem using it. I gave it to my father for his sigma as all he had was an uncle mikes one size fits most holster. He prefers it as it is easy on/off when he goes to work.

340PD
November 6, 2012, 10:00 AM
I did not have a holster for my Sig 226 that I wanted to carry for my RSO/instructors job. I won a auction bid for a used Galco FED paddle holster. I am very impressed. It keeps my firearm close to the body. Easy on and off but extremely secure. Very comfortable with this full size gun for all day carry.

http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=381&GunID=151

rodinal220
November 6, 2012, 10:49 AM
Paddle holsters have always shifted on me or in some cases come off with the draw.I do not use them or anything with a simple money clip for the same reasons.I like the holster to stay in one spot and the gun moves only when I move it.

9mmepiphany
November 6, 2012, 03:43 PM
Paddles have gotten more sophisticated over the years.

The retention clips have been spaced out to the edges of the paddle and many offer adjustments for belt width. I've also noticed the some are adding a layer of rubber to the back of the paddle to limit sliding on clothing

dbp
November 6, 2012, 05:59 PM
Well, this thread really grew legs. I'm the OP and I really appreciate everyone's input.

I made the decision on and purchase of both a gun and holster today. My LGS just got in a Glock 26 and I relieved them of it. Browsing while waiting for paperwork to be finished I noticed that they had a Wild Bill's Fusion paddle holster to fit the 26. After trying the gun and holster on my hip I bought the holster. It is very well made and sturdy. It will not come out of the pants by pulling on it - very secure. Sits close to the body and I easily adjusted to forward cant.

Very happy with both gun and holster. Different strokes for different folks I guess, but this works for me.

Again, I really learn from the input on THR.

http://www.wildbillsconcealment.com/wildbill/shop/item.aspx?itemid=3014

9mmepiphany
November 6, 2012, 08:40 PM
Congrats on your new gun and holster.

Post some pictures when you get it home

mljdeckard
November 6, 2012, 08:42 PM
I have had problems with them before, I got a Fobus for my Glock, and when I would practice drawing, all too often it would still be on the gun when I drew it. But I recently got a Galco single mag/flashlight paddle carrier, and it has a mean inclined tooth that goes against the belt line, I have to use two hands to get it off. That is much more confidence-inspiring. If you're going to use one, use a very pronounced belt, and practice a lot with it.

barstoolguru
November 7, 2012, 01:30 AM
I got a Fobus for my Glock, and when I would practice drawing, all too often it would still be on the gun when I drew it.

All you have to do is remove the rivet under the trigger and replace it with a nut and bolt and you can adjust the tension. I just got one in yesterday and did it for my G23. I can get it so loose I can wear sweats and draw my gun. There might be better but for about 15.00 it gets me by. Canít open carry in TX so its mostly range and practicing he at the house

One thing is they did add a metal brace to the back to strengthen it up and what I do is glue a piece of leather or felt to the strip so it doesn't bite against bare skin

mljdeckard
November 7, 2012, 02:07 AM
Instead I use a Serpa with the belt loops.

340PD
November 7, 2012, 02:43 PM
Nice combo you have. We need pics.

mljdeckard
November 8, 2012, 12:58 AM
If you're talking to ME, I got rid of the Glock years ago. Now it's a 1911, and it's currently attached to my vest, I can't grab it and get a picture.

fatcat4620
November 8, 2012, 09:07 AM
The fobus out of pants issue can be solved with a tighter belt and quick jerk at the beginning of the draw motion.

22-rimfire
November 8, 2012, 10:41 AM
I also like the freedom the paddle holster gives you on placement. I carry my Glock M23 in a paddle usually. The weight does however drag down my pants at times and becomes inconvenient.

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