A More Negative Reaction To Open Carry Of Knife than RIFLE?!


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Cosmoline
November 2, 2012, 02:15 PM
I always make a point of keeping a knife in the old maxpedition manpurse. There's always a need for something to be cut. Earlier this summer I reorganized the setup and strapped a small sheath knife with a big handle and 2 1/2" blade on the outside of the maxpedition. It's easy to get to and I won't leave it on the desk and leave without it as I kept doing with the Case folder. It's clearly a hunting/utility blade with a deep leather sheath and bears no resemblance to any fighting knife. The idea of using it in a fight is a little ridiculous, though I suppose it might give a flesh wound.

Yet that knife has garnered me FAR more reactions than even carrying a rifle has! I've had guys come up and demand to know what I'm doing with a knife, I've had people ask me if it's for protection and had about half a dozen people stop and stare. One fellow came up and demanded to know: "What are you supposed to be?" And this is in Alaska!

Have others noticed this kind of thing?

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bainter1212
November 2, 2012, 02:20 PM
I regularly carry a 4" fixed blade skinner on my belt. Ironically here in CA, it's techically a concealed weapon to carry a knife hidden in your pocket, however perfectly legal to open carry any knife legal to own. People never say anything but they do give me the occasional raised eyebrow.

General Geoff
November 2, 2012, 02:30 PM
only the pocket clip of my knife is normally exposed, and I get zero attention even while working in New Jersey.


Years ago when I was younger and stupider, I occasionally would open carry a ka-bar fixed-blade combat knife because I thought it looked cool. Can't say I recall ever having someone notice it, or at least not confront me about it.

hso
November 2, 2012, 04:32 PM
I'm surprised by the reaction in Alaska, but I would not be surprised by people reacting to a sheath knife openly carried on a bag.

JimStC
November 2, 2012, 04:40 PM
Unfortunately in our greatly uninformed and fearful culture discretion is the better part of valor. It isn't right, but it is the reality in which we live. I never open carry any weapon just to avoid the hassles. Am I right? Probably not. Just my choice. ymmv,

Jim

Vonderek
November 2, 2012, 04:43 PM
I was on a job and had to cut something and used my Buck Vantage folder. By my fellow crew members' reaction you would have thought Charles Manson was among them. I thought it was pretty funny. I showed them the knife blade on my Leatherman Wave which is about the same length but I guess because it was a multi-tool they were much more calm about that. There's no accounting for what goes through people's minds.

On a side note, when I was very young...maybe 8 years old... we took the Polar Bear Express while on a vacation in Northern Canada. A couple of locals were on the train wearing sheath knives on their belts. I thought it was pretty cool but a little frightening at the same time. I grew out of that fear by about age 9 but I guess other segments of the population never do.

Sheepdog1968
November 2, 2012, 05:57 PM
I think when folks see things such as knives, it makes them realize just how vulnerable we are all and can be and this doesn't sit well. Where I am right now I can't CCW or open carry. It does make me a bit uneasy in case the cosmic dice roll funny.

Rob0321
November 2, 2012, 08:06 PM
The campus here (CU Boulder) made it abundantly clear that CCW holders are NOT authorized to carry a knife over 3" Had to swap the CQC-8 for a Spyderco Harpy.

bikerdoc
November 2, 2012, 10:43 PM
Have others noticed this kind of thing?

Couple of years ago we drove up to Mass. for my dads 90th Birthday.
It was a huge crowd of close to 100 people. As the party wound down and the crowd thinned I went to the truck and brought out a few knives I had made to let Dad see my work. A distant cousin, of all of 14 looked at them and said "why does anyone need a knife like that"
Not feeling particularly partial to seizing a teaching moment, I said, " to scare sissies like you."
One of the few times Dad and I agreed on anything.

billybobjoe
November 3, 2012, 12:19 AM
A customer walked in and told me that she was sorry she missed her earlier appointment, but she had had a nearly tragic weekend. As her husband and children traveling on the interstate the 10 year old said there was something wrong with the six year old. They pulled over and found that the seat belt had become wrapped twice around the child's neck, ratcheted tight, would not release and was completely cutting off circulation. In a panic, her and her husband did not have a knife or anything to cut the belt. Finally they realized that the 10 year old had a pair of kiddy scissors in her back pack. The got half way through the belt and the scissors broke. They used the dull scissors as a knife to get the belt cut. The woman said her daughters face went from red to completely blue in the time it took to free her. The child was rushed to a hospital, spent several days there and her doctors are not sure how much brain damage she suffered.

One thing this woman said, She will never be without some kind of knife on her person again. She showed me about five she is now carrying. Even a small Victorynox Classic a key chain could be a life saver. This woman nearly lost her daughter because of the lack of a knife.

billybobjoe
November 3, 2012, 12:22 AM
I am going to tell anybody who says there is something wrong about carrying a pocket knife about this incident.

toivo
November 3, 2012, 01:22 AM
Here in NY State, a large locking folder carried in the pocket (as opposed to on the belt) is considered a concealed weapon. Carry permits are for pistols only, not other weapons. Therefore, you could be legally carrying a pistol but get busted for your knife.

Do I have to mention how stupid this is?

Harley Rider 55
November 3, 2012, 06:32 AM
Anyone ftf and demanding any kind of information from me, will very likely be put on the ground.

hmphargh
November 3, 2012, 10:46 AM
Interesting reaction. I wonder if it has more to do with the fact that it is attached to the bag than that it is openly carried. In Texas, I frequently carry a mini-fox river in a leather sheath, vertically on my belt, and I've never noticed as much as a second look.

Sometimes, I partially cover the knife with a shirt, but I frequently wear a tucked shirt as well. I actually feel more self conscious about it when I partially cover the knife.

Deltaboy
November 3, 2012, 05:44 PM
The only time I have been questioned in TX was at a Resturant after a Civil War Event and a wet behind the ears LEO got interested in my Bowie. But his Grizzled Sgt shut him up and set him straight.

Alaska I am very suprised by the reaction.

jeepnik
November 3, 2012, 07:56 PM
I regularly carry a 4" fixed blade skinner on my belt. Ironically here in CA, it's techically a concealed weapon to carry a knife hidden in your pocket, however perfectly legal to open carry any knife legal to own. People never say anything but they do give me the occasional raised eyebrow.
Be careful. Some local jurisdictions have prohibitations on carrying fixed bladed knives. It may be leagal according to the State of California, but still be a violation of a local ordinance.

A folding knife that clips to your pocket, as long as you don't cover the clip with other garments is not concealed and as far as I can tell, so far, legal thru out California.

MCgunner
November 3, 2012, 08:35 PM
Everyone carries something like a Buck 110 in Texas. Me, I carry a Buck multitool in a case I made from a Tandy kit that also holds a miini mag 1 AAA cell flashlight. In the little towns around where i live, it's not unusual to see a 4" sheath knife carried openly. A fixed blade knife can be grabbed with one hand to open a feed bag or something, why farmers and ranchers like 'em. It's totally legal if under 6". Odd that Alaskans would question a knife, of all things. Of COURSE they carry rifles up there when out of the city. LOL

MCgunner
November 3, 2012, 08:40 PM
The only time I have been questioned in TX was at a Resturant after a Civil War Event and a wet behind the ears LEO got interested in my Bowie. But his Grizzled Sgt shut him up and set him straight.

If over 6", that blade is in violation of state code. I believe it's a felony, not sure on THAT, though, maybe just a Class A misdemeanor.

shiftyer1
November 3, 2012, 08:54 PM
6"??? I thought the limit was 5 1/4.......although I could very well be misimformed

Sam Cade
November 3, 2012, 10:23 PM
6"??? I thought the limit was 5 1/4.......although I could very well be misimformed

In Texas?

5 1/2". Class A Misdemeanor. Felony in any place with a liquor license.

MCgunner
November 3, 2012, 11:30 PM
In Texas?

5 1/2". Class A Misdemeanor. Felony in any place with a liquor license.

AH, that sounds like a definitive answer to the confusion. :D

Fred_G
November 3, 2012, 11:41 PM
Couple of years ago we drove up to Mass. for my dads 90th Birthday.
It was a huge crowd of close to 100 people. As the party wound down and the crowd thinned I went to the truck and brought out a few knives I had made to let Dad see my work. A distant cousin, of all of 14 looked at them and said "why does anyone need a knife like that"
Not feeling particularly partial to seizing a teaching moment, I said, " to scare sissies like you."
One of the few times Dad and I agreed on anything.
LOL That made me laugh.

Amazing how many people think it is odd I always have a pocket knife on me. But they never hesitate to ask to borrow it to cut something...

meef
November 4, 2012, 01:36 AM
Anyone ftf and demanding any kind of information from me, will very likely be put on the ground.::gasp!::

:eek:

Cosmoline
November 4, 2012, 01:54 AM
Yeah that seems a tad excessive. I tell people the truth--it's for rutabaga and oysters.

hso
November 4, 2012, 01:59 AM
The NY and TX opinions are incorrect in particular details.

In TX, since it was part of a reinactor's "costume" there is an exception to the law prohibiting carry of the prohibited big blades, swords, spears, but be warned that it only goes so far off the stage and only in costume.

In NY state there is no blade length law. In NYC there is a limit and they've been arresting people for having the clip exposed and treating one hand openers as "gravity knives", but there are lawsuits against the city because of the abuse of the law. NYC is not all of NY.

As to absurd posturing about attacking someone for talking to you about a knife, such behavior would land you in jail or a psych eval in the real world and such posturing won't be tolerated here.

Harley Rider 55
November 4, 2012, 06:12 AM
hso
Demandind and talking are not the same. The OP said someone DEMANDED information. You refer to it as ASKING or TALKING.
If a homless person asks you for some money, it (most places) is NOT a crime.
If that homless person demanded some money from you, it is called robbery.

Personal business and information is intellectual property. Demanding property is robbery.

Cosmoline
November 4, 2012, 11:58 AM
Wow, how have you stayed out of prison all these years? I ask because the approach you are approving is a felony. A very serious one. You don't get to use deadly force, or indeed any level of physical force, simply because someone comes up and makes a verbal demand. Someone can demand $5 from you. Or $5,000. Maybe you owe them the money, maybe they're nuts. But either way, unless there is a threat of force you don't get to respond with force. And unless there is an imminent and unlawful threat of DEADLY force, you are not justified in responding with deadly force. You really need to learn your state's laws on these matters. None allow you to attack or kill someone simply because they make a verbal demand for information.

In fact the demand has little to do with anything. It's the threat and any tool the person has to carry out the threat that are important. If someone comes up and says "Please can I borrow ten dollars and if you don't I'll kill you with this pistol," then you're facing imminent unlawful deadly force. Even if the person is polite. Conversely if a rude person says "Give me ten bucks, moron!" but makes no threat and displays no weapon, then your response is simply "no" or just walk away.

meef
November 4, 2012, 05:16 PM
Wow, how have you stayed out of prison all these years?Well, (making the assumption that he has) it may be due to the fact that testosterone-laced assertions are infinitely easier to make from a keyboard than in person?

hso
November 5, 2012, 07:05 AM
We've established that no one here considers bombast and posturing worthwhile here or in the real world, so lets get back on topic.

glistam
November 5, 2012, 08:32 AM
I can't help but be amused when people reach negatively to knives, so I love that "To scare sissies like you" remark. Probably my fav type of situation is when I open a manual one-handed knife in front of someone and they accuse me of packing a switchblade. It's usually nervously good-natured though, and gives me an opportunity to explain the difference, as well as educate them about knife laws and the stupidity of banning knives such as switchblades for being "fast" when a fixed blade is always open.

Deltaboy
November 5, 2012, 09:06 PM
If over 6", that blade is in violation of state code. I believe it's a felony, not sure on THAT, though, maybe just a Class A misdemeanor.
There is an exemption for renactors while at events and for the most part when you have the whole outfit on the Police have enough sense to realize what your doing. Mine is 12 inchs Indian Bone Handle with polished Brass Hilt. It was tied down in my sheath since I keep it razor sharp for ham cleaving demonstrations.

il_10
November 7, 2012, 06:29 PM
One of my earliest experiences with OC was a time I was going for coyotes with a few friends one night. We stopped into a convenience store to pick up a few packs of smokes, and a buddy in front of me had a ka-bar on his belt. The woman behind the counter noticed and became noticeably shaken, to the point where she had difficulty cashing him out. I hadn't yet turned 21 an acquired my CHP, and I had my cz-82 carried openly on my hip right behind him. When it came my turn to pay, she noticed my pistol and immediately calmed down. I chalked this up to her assuming anyone with a big knife is there to do harm, and anyone with an openly carried pistol is a cop.
That was one of my earliest experiences with OC and stuck with me. It's oft suggested on this board that people either don't notice or don't care about OC or printing, but it was interesting to watch the reaction to a ka-bar be incredibly negative where the reaction to a pistol was positive in someone behind the counter of a convenience store and only seconds apart.

Stress_Test
November 7, 2012, 10:00 PM
For some reason it seems like there's more visceral fear towards a knife.

Heck, I feel it myself sometimes when a co-worker flips open a spring loaded blade. That *clack* sound always raises my alert level a bit (unless it's my knife making the sound of course! :) )

Owen Sparks
November 9, 2012, 01:34 AM
Knives give some people the willies. I myself am a little bit scaired of straight razors even though I own dozens of knives in practically every other configuration and several swords. I don't own a straight razor and could never relax in a barbers chair for a traditional shave with one. Watching the movie Sweeny Todd the demond barber of Fleet street did not help my phobia at all.

RTR_RTR
November 9, 2012, 01:46 AM
Thanks for making this thread. I've gotten a couple surprised responses from friends when I've pulled out a pocket knife before (an Opinel actually, come to think of it :rolleyes:...), but never thought much of it. Will certainly be more aware of who I mess with a knife around in the future!

the count
November 9, 2012, 06:23 PM
Say thanks to the main stream media for making the entire population paranoid. But what do you expect with guys like Michael Bloomberg that thinks soda pop is a weapon of mass destruction.

armoredman
November 9, 2012, 08:06 PM
Interesting. I have never experienced any negative reactions to any bladed item I have ever carried. At one time, for grins and giggles, I carried a short sword, (functional and good looking), and I had some people look confused, but nobody panicked or "freaked out". Of course carrying of a knife in AZ is generally nothing, except government buildings, airlines, schools, etc., but I can't remember any reactions at all to my Benchmade Resistor or my Leatherman being used in public. I also have a seatbelt slicer velcroed on the drivers side door for emergencies.
We did pass knife preemption in 2010, as well, no patchwork of laws to watch out for. Only knives we can't carry are "switchblades", go figure.

zorro45
November 11, 2012, 09:51 PM
I have noticed the same reaction to bringing out a knife to open a package or slice an apple for someone. I think it is the sound that a folder makes when it is quickly brought out from a pocket and opened. It is the knife equivalent to chambering a round in a 12 ga.shotgun, it just gets people's attention. It might be slightly juvenile, but I can't help it.

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