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shane8168
November 2, 2012, 11:29 PM
Okay guys, I'm getting tired of spilling my Unique powder in my 9mm loads because of the volume.

Same as I have problems with 28 gauge loads because of the volume... Oddly enough I picked Unique when I started loading metallic because "I already use that" without even thinking of the drawbacks I've already experienced.

So, with that in mind. What are your suggestions for a target/plinking possibly USPSA load with 124 grain lead bullets, 115 jacketed bullets, etc...

I'm looking for good all around performance with LOW bulk!

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ArchAngelCD
November 2, 2012, 11:38 PM
W231/HP-38 is a good choice for loading the 9mm. I use mostly W231 in my 9mm ammo. (and most other handgun calibers too)

918v
November 2, 2012, 11:39 PM
231

Magnum Shooter
November 2, 2012, 11:59 PM
W231/HP-38 is a good choice for loading the 9mm.

Agreed, and Power Pistol for hot loads

J_McLeod
November 3, 2012, 12:07 AM
I only use 231 and HS-6 in my pistols. They're the only ones I've tried besides Unique (didn't like it) and I like them so much I don't see a reason to try anything else.

shane8168
November 3, 2012, 12:13 AM
So... I'm getting that 231 is a good choice! Is it LOW volume compared to my trusty Unique?

texgunner
November 3, 2012, 12:15 AM
AA#5, #7, HS-6, Power Pistol are all good.

bds
November 3, 2012, 12:48 AM
What are your suggestions for a target/plinking possibly USPSA load with 124 grain lead bullets, 115 jacketed bullets, etc.

I'm looking for good all around performance with LOW bulk!
You didn't mention your pistol/barrel length but here are some "low bulk" target/match loads that should make USPSA minor power factor and have worked well in my Glock 22/23/27-Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrels (but you would need to chrono them out of your pistol/barrel to be sure). They are based on current published powder manufacturers' load data and Lyman #49:

115 gr Winchester FMJ, 1.125"-1.135" OAL - 4.8 gr W231/HP-38

124 gr Montana Gold FMJ, 1.135" OAL - 4.5 gr W231/HP-38

124 gr Berry's HBRN-TP - 1.135" OAL - 3.8-4.2 gr Bullseye
124 gr Berry's HBRN-TP - 1.135" OAL - 3.8-4.0 gr Titegroup
124 gr Berry's HBRN-TP - 1.135" OAL - 4.5 gr W231/HP-38

125 gr Missouri RN, 1.080"-1.100" OAL - 3.8-4.2 gr W231/HP-38
125 gr Missouri SWC, 1.045" OAL - 3.8-4.0 gr W231/HP-38

918v
November 3, 2012, 12:55 AM
Is it LOW volume compared to my trusty Unique?

It has about 2/3 the volume of Unique.

918v
November 3, 2012, 12:57 AM
and meters better too!

ArchAngelCD
November 3, 2012, 01:13 AM
I only use 231 and HS-6 in my pistols. They're the only ones I've tried besides Unique (didn't like it) and I like them so much I don't see a reason to try anything else.
I agree but I will add just one more, W296.

My powder trinity is W231 (HP-38), W540 (HS-6) and W296 (H110).

I do try other powders including Clays, Universal, Longshot, Lil'Gun, AA#2, AA#5, Power Pistol, 2400, 4227 and probably a few more I can't remember right now but I always come back to the trinity I listed above...

Getting back to the 9mm, I forgot to mention above, when I don't use W231 I use Longshot for jacketed bullets and hotter SD loads.

GCBurner
November 3, 2012, 02:08 AM
In 9mm, Titegroup and Clays are pretty economical, as they use smaller charges than Longshot or Win231.

spleify
November 3, 2012, 02:39 AM
I also use W231 I like it because I can load 9mm, .45ACP and some light target loads for my .44 Rem mag

Steve C
November 3, 2012, 02:56 AM
I'm getting tired of spilling my Unique powder in my 9mm loads because of the volume.


What are you doing that spills a charge of Unique???

A max load doesn't overflow the case so something is going wrong. Single stage, turret or progressive?

Unique is one of the best performing powders you can use in the 9mm from mild to +P velocity equivalents at standard pressure.

777TRUTH
November 3, 2012, 06:06 AM
HP-38 & AA#5 work great for me in 9mm.

jwrowland77
November 3, 2012, 07:02 AM
I like Titegroup myself. Very little powder needed to get the job done.

Pilot
November 3, 2012, 07:51 AM
I also switched to Titegroup from HP-38/W231. I can use it in 9MM, .45 ACP, and .45 Colt for practice loads.

DanTheFarmer
November 3, 2012, 08:46 AM
For low bulk 9mm loads try Titegroup, as mentioned above, and/or Bullseye. I've had good luck developing loads with both and neither takes up too much room in a 9mm case.

Good Luck.

Dan

Henry45
November 3, 2012, 08:53 AM
231 for me.

ATLDave
November 3, 2012, 09:46 AM
I'm using AA#5 for 9mm, mostly because it meters beautifully.

TennJed
November 3, 2012, 10:06 AM
I use Bullseye.

dickttx
November 3, 2012, 10:18 AM
Try HP38. It is the same as 231 but $1 per pound cheaper. A double charge will fill up the case and is quiet apparent. It is also very easy to see a regular charge in the case, so no squibs.

MarshallDodge
November 3, 2012, 10:58 AM
A fellow production USPSA shooter turned me on to Winchester WSF.

Burns clean, meters nicely through my Dillon, and has a very low flash. While flash is normally not a huge issue, I had the opportunity to shoot at a night shoot recently and was surprised at how minimal the muzzle flash was compared to some of the others that were shooting.

5.0 grains behind a 124 FMJ bullet is the load I use.

Josh45
November 3, 2012, 01:16 PM
I've had good accuracy results with W-231 ( HP-38 ) and with Universal.
Give either of them a try. If I had to go with one, I think W-231 would be my choice as it works good in most calibers.

Blue68f100
November 3, 2012, 01:24 PM
For 9mm WSF and 231 are my favorites.

slowr1der
November 3, 2012, 02:24 PM
I also like Power Pistol, but I've never tried the Winchester powders. Just never really had a need to.

BYJO4
November 3, 2012, 07:06 PM
I've been using Bullseye for 9MM for a long time and feel it produces excellent loads.

dirtengineer
November 4, 2012, 12:11 AM
W231 and Power Pistol.

Hondo 60
November 4, 2012, 12:16 AM
I'm looking for good all around performance with LOW bulk!

Tite Group!!!!!!!
4.1 grains with a 124 gr JHP will get you ~1050-100 fps.
Economical because of the low charge weight & they claim it's not sensitive to the position in the case.

My own tests say it's a tiny bit sensitive, but not so's you'd notice if your not chronographing 'em.

1SOW
November 4, 2012, 01:33 AM
So, with that in mind. What are your suggestions for a target/plinking possibly USPSA load with 124 grain lead bullets, 115 jacketed bullets, etc...

For minor power factor loads Vit n320 works very well and is used by many USPSA production-class loaders. (check the Benos forum).
4.0 grs will run a 125gr HP at 1040 fps.
4.1 grs for a 124gr rn at 1040

These are almost exactly 1/2 a 9mm luger caseful of powder. Can't double fill, but plenty of room for seating.

Runs cool, as a SINGLE BASE powder it burns clean at LIGHT LOADS which only a very few do, not temp sensitive, meters very accurately with the very small rod shape, zero muzzle flash. Also works for 40S&W and 45ACP light loads.

Costs approx. 1 cent more per round to load than 231/HP-38, and worth every penny.:D

MarshallDodge
November 4, 2012, 02:17 AM
1SOW- I agree, N320 is awesome stuff. A bit pricey but well worth it.

ku4hx
November 4, 2012, 03:41 AM
I too grew weary of spillage and tried many other powders. Current I'm working my way through four pound "kegs" of Alliant Power Pistol and Ramshot True Blue.

Once the PP is gone I'm going exclusively with the TB. TB had proven to meter very accurately in my Dillon measures, it burns exceptionally clean and gives very low shot-to-shot variances in muzzle velocity in my BHP and Glocks 17, 19 and 26.

tightgroup tiger
November 4, 2012, 07:27 AM
I wish I could buy Ramshot around here. It's no where to be found.

I use mostly titegroup for 9mm but also use Universal , and Power Pistol.
But with Berry's plated bullets in the FPHB 124gr I have gone as high as 4.5gr of Titegroup. It's really hot but shot and fed really well. To hot for plated but didn't have any problems. I wouldn't recommend it anything over 4.3gr. for Berry's.
4.3 gr is hotter than Berry's say to load but I put 2k through my Ruger and have never had a problem. I loaded down to 4.0 of titegroup for a while but my PF-9 wouldn't cycle them so I went back to 4.3 and my problems went away.
I will say this, Win231 is next on my list to play with.

JO JO
November 4, 2012, 11:00 AM
I have been experimenting with HS6 for 9mm and 40 s&w seems to have
a lot of potential have worked up some very accurate loads with it, it also
has good case fill to

shane8168
November 4, 2012, 08:39 PM
What are you doing that spills a charge of Unique???

A max load doesn't overflow the case so something is going wrong. Single stage, turret or progressive?

Unique is one of the best performing powders you can use in the 9mm from mild to +P velocity equivalents at standard pressure.
Ah, "spill" probably isn't the best choice of wording... I load on a LnL AP progressive and every time the shell plate rotates, a couple - maybe up to 12 or so - flakes of powder kick out because of the turning and clicking into place.

My press is new, so it clicks pretty good and that may be part of the problem.

But, eventually all those flakes work their way into the ejector system or the primer system and gum things up...

bds
November 5, 2012, 12:31 AM
FYI, here's a comparison picture of powder fill in cases.

Comparison picture below shows max charges of Unique, Universal, Promo and W231/HP-38 for 185 gr 45ACP jacketed bullet. I know the Unique charge is significantly higher at 8.2 gr but that was the powder charge indicated in the load data. 6.0 gr charge of Unique would be comparable to Universal/Promo case fill.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=167327&stc=1&d=1341162642

deadeye dick
November 5, 2012, 11:41 AM
I use 5 gr.green dot under 125 gr. RNL 1.160 OAL in my 9MM Taurus millenium with good results.

rodregier
November 5, 2012, 12:04 PM
WSF in 9mmx19 for 115g and 124g projectiles has "perfect" load density, meters well. I've burned many lbs of it, still very happy.

Shmackey
November 5, 2012, 12:20 PM
WST for very easy-shooting loads. PP for hot.

CountryUgly
November 5, 2012, 04:24 PM
Power Pistol..... again

Certaindeaf
November 5, 2012, 04:34 PM
That's one neat thing about the Lee Classic Turret.. the case doesn't move from start to finish (except up and down) so no powder is spilled unless you're having an epileptic seizure.

jjjitters
November 5, 2012, 06:07 PM
I'll bite, again. AA#5,WSF,N320,N330,Sr7625(really nice powder),AA#2. That will cover most of my better ones.

CZ57
November 5, 2012, 07:24 PM
Once the PP is gone I'm going exclusively with the TB. TB had proven to meter very accurately in my Dillon measures, it burns exceptionally clean and gives very low shot-to-shot variances in muzzle velocity in my BHP and Glocks 17, 19 and 26.

True Blue is an excellent powder. I consider it the ball powder equivalent of Unique in that you can load any handgun round with it.

For full power 9mm and .40 S&W, I use Silhouette. It is similar to VV 3N37 and costs much less. Meters very well, burns clean and is probably the lowest flash powder you can buy as it has a flash inhibitor.

Like many here I have 231 on the shelf that doesn't get used much since I switched to ZIP. Very much like 231 but with a little better performance range and it burns cleaner. It will work very well for lower case fill loads in 9mm, .38 Special target loads and light to full power .45ACP loads. My 200 gr. SWC load using ZIP will shoot one hole groups at 50'. ;)

judgecrater
November 5, 2012, 08:13 PM
If you are spilling Unique, your press is the problem not the powder. I would check with the manufacturer as it should not do that. But putting that aside, WSF, Universal and Bullseye have been great for me.

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