.38 sp help with 148 BB/FB WC and W231 (not hollow base)?


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1KPerDay
November 3, 2012, 07:58 PM
I have read these
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=301714
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=602337
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=602484

I have some old speer and Markell 148g BB and FB WCs (not double ended, not hollow base, they have a crimp groove). They are about .580" long and about .445 from the base to the crimp groove. Any input? I'm getting very contradictory info from Lyman, Hornady, and Lee. Varying from 2.2 start to 3.4 max., to 3.7 start to 4.2 max. Hornady has the same info for BB (discontinued) and HBWCs. Others have said BB and FB cast WCs can be driven to higher velocities, etc.

No, I don't have any bullseye. ;)

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ArchAngelCD
November 3, 2012, 11:15 PM
I don't know if I'm right or wrong but i always crimp a bullet in the crimp groove if one is supplied by the bullet manufacturer. HB WC bullet I seat flush but solid end WC bullets with a supplied crimp groove get a crimp in that groove...

RON in PA
November 4, 2012, 06:25 AM
They discontinued those Speer 148gr bevel base bullets a few years back, they were a favorite of mine. Not being hollow based they took a heavier charge than HB bullets, I used 4.4 gr of 231 and crimped at the crimp groove.

1KPerDay
November 4, 2012, 01:47 PM
Thank you.

Steve C
November 4, 2012, 05:50 PM
Speer data showing their 148gr BBWC.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=174239&stc=1&d=1352065788

poco loco
November 4, 2012, 11:09 PM
I use the Lyman 358496 plain base button nose, about 148 or so with my alloy and lube, crimp in the crimp groove with a medium roll crimp using W231 at 3.5 for mild (800fps book) and 4.0 for a bit harder hitting (900fps book)

Both very accurate out of all my 38/357 with very minimal recoil.

Actually they are my favorite .38 by far to shoot and I even use them for EDC in my model 60 Chiefs Special 1 snake and 4 wads with 2 speed loaders of 110XTP +p for hopefully unneeded backup, 6gr iirc of 231. Even with a 1 7/8 barrel, the little revolver puts the wadcutters right where I want them at 15 yards every time and follow up is very quick. And always double action.

I recently acquired the Lyman 358425 mold for their 112g button nose but have not tried them yet......cute little boogers......:) anyone have data for them? my Lyman CBH does not show loads for the little wadcutter. I wonder if they could be double loaded in .357 brass?

1KPerDay
November 4, 2012, 11:18 PM
many thanks, steve!

joneb
November 5, 2012, 01:18 AM
For this bullet 174259 I load 3.6gr of Bullseye with F-100 and seated to the crimp groove, with excellent results in my S&W 36 and 10-5.

1KPerDay
November 5, 2012, 01:35 PM
Do you crimp them?

joneb
November 5, 2012, 05:58 PM
Do you crimp them?
I use a light taper crimp. I light roll crimp will do fine. I have a $10 Harbor Freight caliper in my range bag to check for bullet pull. Some brass may require a bit more crimp, R-P comes to mind.

1KPerDay
November 5, 2012, 06:19 PM
Thanks.

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