CZ 52 Who has one?


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throw1out
November 3, 2012, 09:31 PM
I've been wanting to try one for a long time and the bug is getting worse. I cant seem to stop thinking about this gun. Who has one and what are your thoughts about it? I also heard that the firing pins don last long. CZ 52 owners chime in please.

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MikeJackmin
November 3, 2012, 10:55 PM
I have one (original grey finish) that works fine, no complaints at all about function. If you want one, get one, they are not going to be any cheaper later.

So long as you don't dry-fire it I think the firing pin will hold up just fine.

My only complaint is that it does not fit my hands well. I've learned that flat guns are hard for me to grip, which is a shame, because skinny guns are so much easier to carry. I tried a slip-on sleeve but it just never felt right.

wally
November 3, 2012, 11:17 PM
I've got one, it shoots well and is reliable, but I prefer shooting my Tokarov TTC as its 1911-style take down is much easer to do after shooting the (what used to be) cheap corrosive ammo. The TTC grip also fits me better (especially after adding an Hogue sleeve I cut to length), as was said above, the CZ-52 grip is long and thin, quite hard to hang on to for some hands.

Beware of the CZ52 decocker, there are lots of reports of being broken and firing when decocked with a round in the chamber.

Geneseo1911
November 3, 2012, 11:27 PM
I have one. I'll admit, I bought it as much to look at as to shoot. What a cool gun. Unique inside & out: styling and function. Snappy little sucker with that 7.62 round. I don't shoot it much due to the corrosive ammo and the fact that I just don't shoot it that well, but it is so pretty I'll probably always keep it around.

Somebody had a quote in another thread the other day that I thought was pretty good:"If the TT-30 came in art-deco, I"d have one"

M2 Carbine
November 3, 2012, 11:42 PM
I have two and 9mm barrel extra.

Decent guns for the price.

Be sure to give them a bath in soapy water after shooting corrosive ammo. I have one badly rusted barrel.

Also do not trust the hammer drop safety. Last year the gun blew a hole in my shop wall when I moved the thumb safety to safe and the gun fire.

Since then I've found this is a common problem with the CZ52.

Weevil
November 4, 2012, 12:50 AM
I've got one of the grey ones, had a blued one but sold it.


Decent guns but not real great ergos as mentioned.

I've had trouble with the slide stop pin and trigger pin walking out on them. They used to make a bolt and nut upgrade for the sdlide-stop pin but I don't know if this is still available. Had this on the blued one and also installed a slide-stop lever with a release button. Stock there is no way to release the slide without pulling it back.

The firing-pins are also notorious for being brittle and breaking, so definitely don't try dry-firing one without a snap-cap. Personally I've never had a problem with mine but if you plan on doing a lot of shooting you may want to invest in a spare or upgrade to one of the aftermarket pins.

As mentioned don't trust the decocker. You can try the pencil trick to check them but I still don't trust it.

They're a really cool and unique looking pistol that's quite collectable but if you're looking for a shooter I wouldn't recommend them.

hatchetbearer
November 4, 2012, 01:58 AM
I've got one, and it has sat in the safe for the last 7 years. It's a well made gun, but I don't really have a use for it. Snappy Recoil, and it sounds like a mountain howitzer going off. now that all of the cheap ammo is gone, It may be time to part with it and the 1200 rounds of polish surplus i have.

RON in PA
November 4, 2012, 04:51 AM
For the caliber the Tokarov is far superior, more comfortable to shoot. The CZ-52s in my experience are a pain to take down and tend to have pins work their way out of the gun.

PabloJ
November 4, 2012, 08:00 AM
Kinda interesting piece with lockup similar to MG38/42, G3. These were expensive to make so there will be no more other then what is already out there. I turned one down for $120 the going rate now is about $300 if in excellent original condition. Handgun is just tool to me like hammer or pliers so these do nothing for me.

SWAT1911
November 4, 2012, 08:02 AM
I was thinking you meant the rifle.

Geneseo1911
November 4, 2012, 08:09 AM
About the firing pins- Somebody made (and maybe is still making; I'm not sure) firing pins turned out of bar stock, which my gun happened to have already when I bought it. Included in the sale was the original, broken pin. So yes, they break.

mgmorden
November 4, 2012, 08:11 AM
I've got one. My firing pin is original though I bought an aftermarket replacement just in case it ever breaks.

Its a good gun. Never had any trouble out of it and its relatively accurate. A bit quirky though as it lacks a slide stop lever/release and the magazine release is of the heel variety. The safety is also "backwards" compared to the 1911 and the decocker can sometimes set off a round if the parts are worn enough.

I bought mine when they were going for $99 and they were a steal at that price. At the prices they're going for now I honestly wouldn't purchase it again.

dogrunner
November 4, 2012, 09:05 AM
I bought one from Dealer's Whs back when the things were going for about a hundred bucks. One they sent was an apparently unused mint version with a pristine bore, bearing it's original gray finish.

Grips are a bit awkward if one has smallish hands, one gripe I've had is with the safety/decocker........tends to recoil into my thumb with my normal hold.

Piece is very accurate, easily as reliable as any other service auto I have ever handled. Stay away from certain brands of surplus ammo, if I recall correctly some of the Bulgarian stuff was alleged to be way overpressure...

Far as takedown goes, frankly I think its one of the quickest I've seen once you get the hang of it. Just pull the latch down in front of the trigger guard, use either a screwdriver or a magazine base to retract the bbl back and upward and you have field stripped it.

Ammo, mine eats anything it's fed.........some of the surplus stuff ejects into orbit tho....not that it matters as it's berdan primed anyway. I reload for mine, using both cast 100 gr. wheelweight based bullets or Hornady's XTP's in the 90 gr. version.....as stated, the only problem with reloading is brass recovery.

Haven't seen one on a dealers shelf in several years hereabouts and likely if you can turn one for a decent price it's worth holding onto.

Spike440
November 4, 2012, 03:37 PM
I have one in the original gray finish. It works well and looks good too. I have big hands so the grips are fine for me. The only problem is the ammo is getting expensive. Even to reload it won't be cheap like the milsurp stuff.

That said I only bought mine because of who owned it before me as a remembrance of a great guy. My Romanian TT-33 will get used more often.
-Spike

bigfatdave
November 4, 2012, 04:15 PM
I got a beat-up but functional one off of a fellow forum member a while back.

Nice gun, ammo seems to be drying up, factory mags are rare and aftermarket mags are junk
It shoots accurately, and I like having a loud obnoxious gun sometimes

I replaced the FP and rollers with harrington parts
http://harringtonproducts.com/
I used the "CZ-52-2 Competition Firing Pin and Trigger Enhancement"
The decocker wasn't safe before, adding the comp. FP made the decocker entirely unsafe - one of these days I'll have to disable the feature entirely, somehow.

If I ever find myself in need of a Tokarev-chambered handgun for some reason, I even have a Kydex holster for the CZvz52, made by a local custom guy that seems to be out of business - it goes IWB or OWB with a nifty moveable loop setup, and has a built-in channel to keep the safety lever set to "more safe".
I have a holster coming for a yugo M57 as well, I just like having a useful holster for any gun that could be carried, even if they're not in the normal carry set.
But I seriously hope I never need a gun chambered in Tokarev.

throw1out
November 5, 2012, 12:31 AM
Thanks for the replies.

fatcat4620
November 5, 2012, 11:12 AM
I have one, first handgun I every owned. It's fun to shoot but was more fun when ammo was so cheap.

cougar1717
November 5, 2012, 01:42 PM
Neo-50's styling. Bakalite grips. European mag release. Smooth slide release. Clunky ergonomics. Microscopic sights. Weak firing pin. Interesting camming action. Flinch-o-matic (IMHO). It used to be the best gun you could get for around $100. Now, it just makes more sense to put $250 - $300 toward a modern gun.

barnbwt
November 5, 2012, 09:25 PM
Neo-50's styling...

Nah, man, it was 50's styling :cool:. It has probably the most unnecessarily beautiful lines (seriously, I don't think any of that machining was necessary) of any service auto up to that point (and since, too, probably). Yes, I'm saying it's prettier than a 1911, because those look mean not "elegant"

Elegant was definitely not how those things operated, though:
-Parts breakage issues due to poor cast tempering (firing pin, rollers)
-unreliability of critical components (decocker/safety unit)
-"tool" (I use that term loosely) needed for full field strip (not normally necessary, though)
-Poor ergonomics (long, skinny, square grip profile), and a trigger notorious for slapping your finger silly
-Funky (but awesome) chambering that never gets any cred due to lack of non-FMJ
-The tiniest sights ever concieved
-Weird ergonomics (not necessarily bad, though) of the safety/decock lever, lack of slide release, heel magazine release
-Ugly (to some) grip material (which has held up for 60 years, despite being plastic)

Fortunately, American ingenuity has triumphed over most of these issues where the Soviet Bloc failed:
-Harrington and others make machined replacements for the firing pins
-New old stock decockers are still to be found (going fast, though), and can be disabled on the gun easily for the surest fix
-A couple people make replacement grips/sleeve to fatten up the grip profile and make the gun even more classy. I'm still waiting on some talented soul to add some weldment to the frame sides and fabricate a doublestack mag :cool:
-Wolf and PPU make soft/hollow point ammo for tok now, and Hornady make bullets as well (I think). All have been shown to be extremely reliable expanders because of the high velocity. 9mm drop-in conversion barrels are available in (extremely) short supply for the price of the gun.
-Novak will machine the rear sight dovetail and install one of their fabulous sights. I was able to file down the front sight, drill a hole (carbide bits, people), and install a peened-on tenon sight (1911-style) with minimal fuss (if you have carbide bits).
-After-market slide releases and extended mag floorplates are available to remedy euro-style ergos to American sensitivities. I believe Sturmgewer has also gotten a push-button mag release to work with slightly modified mags, as well.

There's a lot going against the CZ52, but a whole lot of potential as well. I'll always have a soft spot for them, being my first project gun. You won't regret buying one if you like shooting magnums :D

TCB

khegglie
November 5, 2012, 09:36 PM
Some PICS would be nice Gents...............:)

jdh
November 5, 2012, 09:48 PM
There is a hollow point. Wolf Gold 85 gr. JHP at 1591 FPS. It is loaded by Privi Partizen in reloadable brass cases. It is accurate in my 52. Haven't had a chance to test expansion yet.

Fastcast
November 5, 2012, 10:20 PM
Someone say pics? :)

Mine appeared unissued when I purchased it....I still went ahead and replaced the recoil spring with a Wolff spring and switched out the firing pin for a machined one.

A simple Hogue grip feels great....S&B ammo is ridiculously accurate from end zone to end zone out of my 52....It's unusual, was made in low numbers and shoots a nasty round.

I didn't buy mine for CC or home protection, I bought it simply because it was intriguing. With that said it's not going anywhere as I believe I'll save it for a possible zombie apocalypse. :evil:


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/fastcast/CZ52-1.jpg

GBExpat
November 6, 2012, 07:48 AM
Funny, but I decided to purchase my first CZ52 over the Polish TT-33s being offered because of appearance ... I thought that the TT-33s were unattractive.

I found the CZ52s (I have 3) to be accurate & fun to shoot but heavy, clunky and uncomfortable.

TTs, on the other hand (I current have 3 Soviet TT-33s and 8 other Variants) are accurate & fun to shoot ... and comfortable & light & concealable ... and, now, to my eye, quite attractive. :)

bds
November 6, 2012, 08:01 AM
I had a CZ-52 with the grey finish ... nice shooter and now wish I had kept it as I reload .223.

Why?

Because you can convert .223 brass to 7.62x25 brass to reload them - http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=42003.0

How to video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhG08yQGD38

Also - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=609366

And for those that complain about snappy recoil, you can simply reload milder recoil reloads. ;)

Enjoy your CZ-52! :D

aarondhgraham
November 6, 2012, 11:41 AM
http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/vz-52/

$285 or $305 depending on which one you order.

Aarond

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ZeSpectre
November 6, 2012, 11:58 AM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/zespectre/2007_SD400_0089.jpg

I like mine just fine, it is a fun range toy. Ammo was so dirt cheap in the past that I have a LOT but eventually that will run out. I like the cartridge as well and wish someone would produce a modern pistol/carbine combination for it.

Snowdog
November 6, 2012, 01:31 PM
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4130/5063169645_c43f710c0f_z.jpg

I was wanting a Cz52 for years before before finally pulling the trigger when my C&R license came in (about 10 or so years ago).

I didn't like it.

I wanted one as the looks and action seemed unique and I really like the 7.62x25 cartridge.
I still like the aesthetics as it looks like a CZ50 on steroids, but I grew disenchanted with the pistol overall. It had perhaps the worst ergonomics of any pistol I've ever handled, it rated higher-than-average on the pita scale to reassemble after field stripping (both aspects being relative, I know) and I found the trigger lousy and my accuracy results mediocre.

I know there are many who love the CZ52, but I'm certainly not one of them.

I bought a Yugo M57 on a lark later and fell in love. It's not perfect, but I like the Tokarev a heck of a lot more than the CZ52 for a whole host of reasons. The M57 is similar in size to the CZ52, but feels much less bulky/massive in the hand. I also shoot the M57 far better.
I eventually sold the CZ52 with no regrets for 3 times what I paid for it (after the supply from the distributors ran dry).

They are not bad pistols and are great for plinking and are a wonderful addition for any surplus military collection. However, I simply do not like them.

Robbins290
November 6, 2012, 07:34 PM
I have 2 duracoated gold. check them out from my older post

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=598062&page=2

Ash
November 7, 2012, 06:03 PM
I like mine, have had it since the good ole $139 days. It is a 1954 original-condition pistol and it has always performed well for me. Ergos aren't so great, I'll agree, but take down and reassemble is real easy and fast. Mine has never failed in any form except for bad ammo (I got some Yugo ammo once that was click-bang, click click bang, click click click in nature).

Carl N. Brown
November 7, 2012, 07:17 PM
I wanted one ever since I saw it in the reference book W.H.B. Smith's "Small Arms of the World" in the 1960s. I thought it was exotic. Still do. Maybe I had low expectations as to practicality, so I was overall pleased with it once I shot it. It is not an ideal weapon, but I bought it as a historic collectible back when they were 129.00 with holster, 2 mags, cleaning rod, and lanyard (ca 2004).

I use the decocker to release the hammer, with the thumb of the offhand blocking the hammer fall, and never lower the hammer on a loaded chamber anyway. And JIC I bought two spare firing pins but normal use (live fire, no dry fire) does not seem to be a problem.

I shoot it occassionally in modern military matches and accuracy depends a lot on the ammo. Some lots of military surplus are all over the paper, others shoot better. Ever so often, I shoot S&G 7.62x25 boxer-primer factory ammo from the bench to collect empties to reload for my old broomhandle C96. In fact I have carried the CZ 52 as a woods walking sidearm on the mountain.

Like Ash above I got a batch of good looking 1986 surplus ammo that at least every magazine there is one round at least that requires a second strike. It is great at the range for curing a case of the flinchies: I learn to hold through and not anticipate recoil, to avoid the embarassment of dipping or heeling when the hammer goes click instead of the round going bang. Commercial ammo from the same manufacturer with boxer primers runs perfect in the CZ52, so I suspect a batch of ammo intended for slam-fire open-bolt SMG use (packed 70 rounds per box, berdan primers, PPU headstamp). I got the same effect with a different pistol by reloading with small rifle primers instead of small pistol primers.

Ash
November 8, 2012, 06:21 AM
The ammo would have been for both pistols and subguns, but I imagine the focus was on subguns with a nod to pistols. Hard primers are preferred on a submachine gun, and that was their main focus. It is safe to shoot in a pistol, particularly a 52, but it can be frustrating.

I picked up some hollow points made in Portugal that I like.

bds
November 8, 2012, 08:24 AM
I got some Yugo ammo once that was click-bang, click click bang, click click click in nature ... The ammo would have been for both pistols and subguns, but I imagine the focus was on subguns with a nod to pistols. Hard primers are preferred on a submachine gun, and that was their main focus ... but it can be frustrating.
If you reload by converting .223 cases to 7.62x25, you can address the powder charge, primer issue and especially the "click bang, click click bang, click click click bang" issues ;):D - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8496129#post8496129

fatcat4620
November 8, 2012, 08:24 AM
Oh. So we are posting pics now? I see how it is. This bad boy cost $99 way back in like '95

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj532/Jimmy_McPherson/Snapbucket/0D8759E5-orig.jpg

grimjaw
November 9, 2012, 09:11 AM
CZ52: interesting idea and look. I've owned two.

I had nothing but feed issues out of both. I blamed the magazines, but it seems common to find crappy magazines for them. For me, the ergonomics were horrible. The gun was more useful as a bludgeoning device than as a pistol. I don't need to go into the issues about firing pins and decocking.

The Tokarev TT33 was more practical and concealable. The only reason the CZ52 should command a price above $100 in today's market is rarity.

jm

mgmorden
November 9, 2012, 09:54 AM
If you reload by converting .223 cases to 7.62x25, you can address the powder charge, primer issue and especially the "click bang, click click bang, click click click bang" issues

Indeed. Having went this route though I will say that the .223 case isn't quite as wide as the original 7.62x25 case. Reloading this way produces bulged cases, so I tend to prefer to use 7.62x25 Starline brass.

If that ever dries up 9mm Winchester Magnum brass can also be cut down and used and is dimensionally better than .223.

Heck I've even HEARD of someone successfully converting .38 Special cases by turning down the rim and somehow forming an extractor groove, but that's beyond my skill level :).

chris in va
November 10, 2012, 12:25 AM
I had one, couldn't wait to get rid of it. Probably the worst gun i've owned to date. Ironically my 75 was one of the best, go figure.

Ash
November 11, 2012, 07:29 AM
There is no irony, since the CZ-52 was made at the Strakonice plant whereas the 75 was designed by CZ-UB, a different plant and organization (that was folded into Agrozet and then privatized). The CZ-52 was not made by the same folks as the 75. Indeed, neither was actually called CZ until well-later. Both were actually referred to as Vzor 52 and Vzor 75, or Vz 52 and Vz 75 (Vzor being the Czech word for Model). CZ 52 is an American term.

As for me, mine still uses the same firing pin it had when it was new (don't dry fire many 22's either) and the decocker works just fine.

Pilot
November 12, 2012, 08:37 PM
I had one. Interesting pistol. I wanted to like it as I like a lot of Combloc stuff. However, I didn't like the grip angle, ergonomics, or shooting characteristics, even for just a range plinker. I sold it. No regrets.

Twmaster
November 30, 2012, 01:42 PM
I had a CZ52 until three weeks ago. It blew up. I am heartbroken. Nice to see some folks still using my conversion tutorial for .223 brass...

:D

JR47
November 30, 2012, 03:15 PM
I've had one for decades. Several thousand rounds worth of ammo have gone through it, without any failures. Mine was part of a recall shortly after I got it, where they reworked the decocker function.

Everything has worked as designed for the past 20+ years. I have large hands, and the gun points well for me.

FYI Provo Partizan, and Wolf Gold ( which, I believe is manufactured at Privi) both offer a JHP for the gun s in 7.62x25. It's also non-corrosive primed.

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