What silencer do the SEALs use?


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JustinJ
November 5, 2012, 02:36 PM
I was flipping through the book, No Easy Day, about the killing of Bin Laden. There were pictures of the weapons used and I was wondering what can they used as one was pictured on an M4 shorty. How about other special forces? What about other calibers?

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TCBPATRIOT
November 5, 2012, 04:44 PM
I had a YHM for my mk12 when I went to the 'stan in 09. Most of the cans in the supply system were open purchase items so it really just depends on the unit.

creeper1956
November 5, 2012, 05:03 PM
Although what type of equipment SEALs use is based on the mission requirements, and they can choose to use just about anything they want... the best place to start would be to research what suppressors have (NSN) National Stock Numbers, as those would be a likely starting point.

You might also try your question at navyseals.com. There are a few there who seem to be quite knowledgeable regarding gear, mission tactics, BUDS/UDTR training and so on. Be advised that the sight is open to one and all, not operated by the Navy... so assume a high level of "faux seal".

C

crazy-mp
November 5, 2012, 09:47 PM
SEAL's operate under SOCOM, meaning they do not use standard issue gear, weapons or tactics. Like one of the earlier post states much is mission specific and based on what each member of the team prefers. There is no way of knowing exactly what model suppressor is used on a day to day basis, or even if that model is being offered to the general public. I highly doubt that some of the big companies like AAC are send the exact same suppressors to the NAVY SEAL's that they send to local dealers.

Actually I know for a fact they are not, most of the weapons manufacturers have to sign agreements with the government that they will not make the same gun for civilian sales that the military is using, ever wondered why there is no semi auto MP5's made by H&K, or why there are no M240B's being sold by FN?

The military also buys suppressors with different criteria in mind than civilian customers, sound reduction is typically lower on the list, POI change, flash elimination or reduction, weight, durability (how many times can it be dropped and still work).

The NSN number search will tell you contracts have been awarded to Gemtech, AAC, Knights Armament, Ops Inc, Smith Enterprises and Surefire.

You also have to remember one other thing when talking about government contracts, they are awarded to the lowest bidder, and lowest bidder does not always mean best for your money.

Ironman
November 5, 2012, 09:54 PM
I just read the book and was wondering the same thing lol. Ill have to scan the pic and zoom in....

TCBPATRIOT
November 5, 2012, 10:18 PM
A good bit of the suppressors in the military are open purchase meaning commercial off the shelf. But there are about 25 Nato Stock Numbers them

Jeff White
November 6, 2012, 01:15 PM
Actually I know for a fact they are not, most of the weapons manufacturers have to sign agreements with the government that they will not make the same gun for civilian sales that the military is using, ever wondered why there is no semi auto MP5's made by H&K, or why there are no M240B's being sold by FN?

There was an HK produced semi-auto MP5, it was marketed as the HK94. The executive order Bush I signed banning the import of so-called semi-automatic assault weapons made it economically nonviable. The MP5 was in the inventory in 1989 when the executive order was issued.

zdc1775
November 6, 2012, 01:32 PM
I have no idea what the SEAL's use but I do know that the unit I was in issued Knight's Armament or SureFire suppressors to the Marines in the CQB platoon that had M-4s.

Ironman
November 6, 2012, 01:35 PM
Somebody email Mark Owen and ask him lol

crazy-mp
November 6, 2012, 08:14 PM
There was an HK produced semi-auto MP5, it was marketed as the HK94. The executive order Bush I signed banning the import of so-called semi-automatic assault weapons made it economically nonviable. The MP5 was in the inventory in 1989 when the executive order was issued.

Yes, and H&K also built a factory in Georgia to build them here as a semi auto version, and the military awarded H&K a contract for undefined number of firearms with a unspecified end date.

Part of the deal was they could not make civilian versions of the weapons they were making for the military.

Jeff White
November 7, 2012, 12:27 AM
Yes, and H&K also built a factory in Georgia to build them here as a semi auto version, and the military awarded H&K a contract for undefined number of firearms with a unspecified end date.

Part of the deal was they could not make civilian versions of the weapons they were making for the military.

Got a contract number. I think the plant was for the ill fated XM8 and the factory met the same fate as the XM8, it never happened.

As far as I know HK produces nothing for the US military in any quantity.

The Grand Baboon
November 7, 2012, 12:48 AM
I don't want to talk out of my ass, but the suppressor on the HK-416 (second full page of pictures) looks like an AAC M4-2000 painted in AOR1.

Edit: It looks like the suppressor on the MP7 is the one produced by HK specifically for the MP7.

jmr40
November 7, 2012, 12:49 AM
Read the book too. He also states that when it comes to weapons the armorers will pretty much put together or build anything he asked for. I'd imagine that would include silencers.

allaroundhunter
November 7, 2012, 01:13 AM
Read the book too. He also states that when it comes to weapons the armorers will pretty much put together or build anything he asked for. I'd imagine that would include silencers.

That's the impression that I got. He had access to most any weapon that he would have liked it seemed, so I would guess the same could be said for suppressors.

crazy-mp
November 7, 2012, 09:29 PM
As far as I know HK produces nothing for the US military in any quantity.

I guess that XM320 that is replacing the M203 grenade launcher is not a quantity contract? It was only for 29 Million,

Or...

The 23.6 Million dollar contract for the IAR

Or...

The 23.7 Million dollar contract (largest ever awarded) for handguns, but in all honesty this contract is for several branches of the government, not one specific one. Everybody who falls under department of homeland security.

SilentScream
November 8, 2012, 10:36 PM
NO MP5s have ever been manufactured by HK in the U.S. The Georgia facility does not manufacture anything. It is more of a Hub so to speak, everything inbound from Germany stops there first then is sent off to it's respective customer.
Actually I know for a fact they are not, most of the weapons manufacturers have to sign agreements with the government that they will not make the same gun for civilian sales that the military is using, ever wondered why there is no semi auto MP5's made by H&K, or why there are no M240B's being sold by FN?
Actually no, try the NFA, as well as other B.S. laws, executive orders, etc. That is why you have no MP5's M240's etc.

JustinJ
November 9, 2012, 09:02 AM
NO MP5s have ever been manufactured by HK in the U.S. The Georgia facility does not manufacture anything.

HK manufactures the MR556, MR762 and HK45 at the Georgia factory.

brnmw
November 9, 2012, 09:52 AM
They use different one's for specifice duty requirements.... but for the sake of argument see about getting a Knights Armament.

Havok7416
November 9, 2012, 10:40 AM
As of a year or two ago there was a semi-auto belt-fed M240 available for the cool cost of $10,000. I believe it was offered by SOG.

Cesiumsponge
November 9, 2012, 11:18 AM
I had a YHM for my mk12 when I went to the 'stan in 09. Most of the cans in the supply system were open purchase items so it really just depends on the unit.

How is it possible to fit a YHM can on a Mk12 mod1/2 upper when all the contracted Crane Mk12 SPRs use a Douglas barrel blank machined by Compass Lake Engineering specifically to utilize a unique profile that only works with the Ops Inc Model 12th reflex suppressor and collar indexing system?

The Grand Baboon
November 9, 2012, 02:14 PM
How is it possible to fit a YHM can on a Mk12 mod1/2 upper when all the contracted Crane Mk12 SPRs use a Douglas barrel blank machined by Compass Lake Engineering specifically to utilize a unique profile that only works with the Ops Inc Model 12th reflex suppressor and collar indexing system?

It's to take advantage of the space time warp capabilities of the double top secret feature of the Mk12's custom built flux generator powered by a 9V battery from Wal-Mart.

In all seriousness, he's BTDT, just take his word for it.

SilentScream
November 9, 2012, 02:37 PM
HK manufactures the MR556, MR762 and HK45 at the Georgia factory.
Nope, NOTHING is manufactured at the Georgia facility. Those weapons are manufactured in New Hampshire.

JustinJ
November 9, 2012, 04:22 PM
Nope, NOTHING is manufactured at the Georgia facility. Those weapons are manufactured in New Hampshire.

My bad. The press release about manufacture of those guns starts "Columbus, Georgia" which must just be as an indicator of where the release was generated.

Cesiumsponge
November 9, 2012, 05:24 PM
In all seriousness, he's BTDT, just take his word for it.

And a friend in the 2nd bat 75th who finished his tours with all fingers and toes still insists a .50BMG passing by your head will suck out your brains.

crazy-mp
November 9, 2012, 11:22 PM
As of a year or two ago there was a semi-auto belt-fed M240 available for the cool cost of $10,000. I believe it was offered by SOG.

Ohio Ordinance still makes it, closer to 14K. Not original FN.

http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/Firearms/OOWExclusiveFirearms/M240_SLR.rif

There are a handful or transferable 240B's out there, but they are quite a bit higher than the semi-auto version ;)

TCBPATRIOT
November 10, 2012, 04:19 AM
Are you a Marine Corps armorer? Our ordnance officer was an armorer at the Marine Corps Precision weapons shop before he traded his chevrons for bars. He built a few rifles in his day so I trusted him in the fact that that he issued me a MK 12. Maybe it was some sort of fraken-gun I don't know. But I can tell you this it was the most accurate rifle I've ever shot. And it came with a YHM can in flare pouch.

Prince Yamato
November 11, 2012, 10:07 AM
Knights Armament, B&T, and AAC are the main military suppressors.

Cesiumsponge
November 12, 2012, 10:18 AM
The Mk12 SPR was a NSWC Crane project. Every branch has something similar now for a designated marksman rifle, maybe even a Mk12 but if it doesn't have the Mk12 barrel and Ops Inc 12th model suppressor, it isn't a Mk12 by definition. Don't the Marines run the SAM-R?

The authorities in the subject?

Chief Monty LeClair, Navy SEAL and owner of Centurion Arms along with Kevin O'Neill who co-owns High Caliber Sales and employs AJ Brown who was an engineer tech at NSWC Crane Division for 25 years and worked on the Mk12 project. Both are authorities and coincidentally are the only two companies selling 100% genuine Mk12 SPRs (the barrel is the hardest part to obtain, if you're going for a 100% authentic copy) to the civilian market. I talked with Monty at length years ago when he first started his business but his Mk12 builds were over six months backlogged and I wasn't aware of HCS so I ended up with an almost-Mk12 from Wes Grant of MSTN (who is no slouch himself) and a custom Mk12 barrel profile done on a Noveske blank. The suppressor itself took about a year to track down as its a fairly small company that tailors to military contracts and has a very small trickle of product that makes it into the commercial market.

The Mk12 is also a well documented project with various historical revisions and with known parts build list. It isn't anything confidential or secret and 95% of the parts can be easily obtained.

Charles S
November 12, 2012, 06:09 PM
Without any sort of confirmation I have heard Smith Enterprise is involved with naval weapons contracts.


http://www.smithenterprise.com/

txgunsuscg
November 12, 2012, 08:40 PM
KAC QDSS-NT4 suppressor (National Stock Number 1005-01-437-0324)

Whether the particular unit you are referring to uses them, I don't know, but I know the Mk18 comes with the above. The above suppressor is also a part of the SOPMOD system, so it stands to reason SEALs would have access to them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOPMOD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_Quarters_Battle_Receiver

TCBPATRIOT
November 14, 2012, 11:17 AM
We had some along side the SPRs. I had frakengun. He told me it was a special purpose rifle so I just assumed that it was a mk12

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