Transporting Shotgun in Vehicle


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Captains1911
November 5, 2012, 07:45 PM
I just purchased a new SUV, and discovered an excellent hiding spot for my Remington 870. I live in Virginia but very close to MD and WV that I travel to often. I also travel into DC occasionally. My question pertains to the legality of transporting the shotgun out of state. I plan to keep it in a gun sock, unloaded but with shells in the side saddle, and additional shells in a seperate unlocked compartment. My understanding is that this should be no problem in VA and WV, but I'm unsure about MD and DC. I also visit NYS a few times a year, sometimes with brief stops in NYC. Any guidance on the legality of all this would be appreciated.

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Sam1911
November 5, 2012, 08:19 PM
Any time your destination is some place in a state you are not covered by FOPA in that state. "Safe passage" means just that -- passage through on your way directly to some other destination. Not toolin' around with a gun in your truck.

You absolutely must NOT go somewhere in DC with a firearm, or any ammunition at all. Even possession of one round of ammo is a felony.

In MD, you may transport long guns as long as they are unloaded.

In NY State, a shotgun would be legal to have in a vehicle as long as it is unloaded, but in New York City you MUST have a permit to possess that weapon, issued by the City, otherwise very bad news.

zoom6zoom
November 5, 2012, 10:56 PM
and as I recall, NY does not issue any permits to non residents.

Ehtereon11B
November 5, 2012, 11:29 PM
and as I recall, NY does not issue any permits to non residents.


True. Since New York doesn't honor any other state permits, they do not bother with non-resident permits.

Having a loaded firearm in a vehicle is only legal in the state(s) that you have a license to carry concealed in OR states that honor your home state. For example if I wanted to drive to Florida from Alabama with a shotgun in my trunk, I can because Georgia and Florida hone Alabama concealed carry permits.

hirundo82
November 6, 2012, 12:24 AM
Having a loaded firearm in a vehicle is only legal in the state(s) that you have a license to carry concealed in OR states that honor your home state. For example if I wanted to drive to Florida from Alabama with a shotgun in my trunk, I can because Georgia and Florida hone Alabama concealed carry permits.

It's not quite that simple. In most states, concealed carry permits only apply to handguns. Some states have more strict laws about long guns as compared to pistols, and in others they are more lax.

For example, in Texas anyone who can legally own a long gun can carry it in their vehicle however they want--loaded or unloaded, concealed or unconcealed. However, in Tennessee you can't carry a loaded long gun in your vehicle even with a permit.

Sam1911
November 6, 2012, 09:15 AM
MD is that way as well. Loaded long-guns in a vehicle are illegal. That tends to stem from long-standing game laws.

Captains1911
November 6, 2012, 10:25 AM
MD is my biggest concern as that's the state I travel to most frequently. I don't plan to have the gun loaded with shells in the tube, but as mentioned potentially with shells in the side saddle (which tecnically is considered unloaded). Some research leads me to believe that in MD the ammo must be separate from the gun and one the two must be locked. So if the ammo is in a locked container in the rear cargo area, and the gun is unlocked in a sock under the rear passenger seats, does this comply?

bassdogs
November 6, 2012, 10:31 AM
I was just "Warned" on another thread about weapons traveling into other states. I must tread lightly on this one. With that said, the whole interstate thing is a nightmare that is stacked against the legal and law abiding citizen who chooses to exercise their right to bear arms. The safe passage law has been stated and restated hundreds of times but always seems to be viewed in the narrowest application leaning to the "keep moving" and get out of the state post haste. Some even ? stopping to sleep in a motel or eat at a diner. For sure it doesn't cover you for a 2 or 3 day stop over at a friends house. Now to avoid another "XXXXXXX", I won't mention my experience concerning interstate travel. My point here is simply that the whole of this issue is a nightmare. It is a minefield of do's and mostly don'ts that to be safe, you are forced to leave your firearms at home. Those same law abiding citizens who are traveling between home and a vacation property in another state, or who are heading off on a far away hunting trip often find themselves at odds with the letter of the law. Some say leave the guns at home and borrow or rent one when you get to your destination. Others say ship them or keep a 2nd firearm at your 2nd property. OK that would work, but many are not flush with extra cash or simply prefer to rely on that favorite shotgun or rifle. THR won't allow free expression that might encourage violating the law. So I will stop here.

Ops one more thing: All of this points to why we need unified firearms laws in all parts of the US. What's legal in Iowa should and what's legal in NC should not be infringed in the states you might pass thru on your way there. The safe passage laws should be revised, expanded, and clarified so that the reasonable movement of citizens between states is not impaired by states like NY, Ill, NJ, Calif, and the like.

oneounceload
November 6, 2012, 10:20 PM
Having a loaded firearm in a vehicle is only legal in the state(s) that you have a license to carry concealed in OR states that honor your home state. For example if I wanted to drive to Florida from Alabama with a shotgun in my trunk, I can because Georgia and Florida hone Alabama concealed carry permits

FOPA covers this anyway, no need to worry about it under any other circumstances

hermannr
November 7, 2012, 01:46 PM
NYS does not have a problem with long guns...NYC and Nassau county (LI) do. Don't go there with any type of weapon. They don't even like the military and law enforcement exemptions...though they are forced to abide by those exemptions they may very well still hassle you.

A "firearm" in NY PL265 and PL 400.00 only applies to pistols and only applies to NY State, not NY city. Your shotgun should not be a problem transported as discribed.

oneounceload
November 7, 2012, 03:40 PM
Long Island has gun clubs that folks do go shoot at

Captains1911
November 10, 2012, 12:07 PM
Some people elsewhere are differentiating between "carrying" and "transporting", however i don't see the difference, nor have I found anything to suggest a difference. My understanding is that transporting and carrying are considered one in the same, whether you are driving through, to a shooting event, or just to the grocery store or whatnot. If anybody could provide a reference to confirm, clarify, or prove otherwise, it would be appreciated.

Sam1911
November 10, 2012, 12:16 PM
Some folks differentiate "carrying" as going about with a loaded, readily accessible weapon vs. "transporting" which would be with the gun unloaded and inaccessible.

State laws are generally a lot more specific than the informal terms we often use. They'll differentiate between loaded, unloaded, secured in a case, under lock & key, etc.

oneounceload
November 10, 2012, 10:18 PM
All of this points to why we need unified firearms laws in all parts of the US.

NO, that undermines Sate's rights, and do you really want the blueprint to be the carry laws of NYC, DC, Chicago or similar? Because that would be the case

bushmaster1313
November 10, 2012, 11:41 PM
Even if you come under FOPA that does not mean you will not get arrested. If you had a handgun in your trunk and You were stopped and searched by a New Jersey State Trooper you could say you were on your way to Vermont, but the Trooper would laugh at you all the way to the slammer.

hermannr
November 11, 2012, 03:54 PM
Long Island has gun clubs that folks do go shoot at
You can have a firearm, pistol, Rifle and/or shotgun in NYC and on LI...IF you have a license that has the MN/SN of that particular weapon on it.

It is so bad, that if you want to shoot your buddy's pistol, (or even you dad's/son's etc) you have to have the MN/SN put on YOUR license...even if it is not your pistol. There are SOME minor execptions...but not many.

mp510
November 12, 2012, 05:43 PM
True. Since New York doesn't honor any other state permits, they do not bother with non-resident permits.

Having a loaded firearm in a vehicle is only legal in the state(s) that you have a license to carry concealed in OR states that honor your home state. For example if I wanted to drive to Florida from Alabama with a shotgun in my trunk, I can because Georgia and Florida hone Alabama concealed carry permits.

NYC will issue rifle and shotgun permits to non-residents who make application and will allow you to register the rifle/ shotgun if it is NYC legal. There is a short time period, 24 hours (I believe) during which a non-resident may possess a long gun in the city without it being registered. A permit is not needed outside of the city.

oneounceload
November 12, 2012, 05:58 PM
If you had a handgun in your trunk and You were stopped and searched by a New Jersey State Trooper

But why would he? A lot of folks make similar statements, but I seriously doubt that a minor traffic stop is going to result in a thorough search or anything similar for that matter

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