Ammo Identification


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skt239
November 5, 2012, 09:49 PM
Hello all,

I went to a gun show in York, PA about two weeks ago and was given the pictured box of ammo with a larger purchase...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/06/zu7yjady.jpg

Anyone have an idea of how old the ammo is?

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/06/ha6ajuju.jpg

Is it ok to shoot?

Thanks

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Certaindeaf
November 5, 2012, 11:25 PM
I don't know how old it is. It'd be safe to shoot.. it looks original/factory but I probably wouldn't. It's too cool and probably has some collector value.

303tom
November 5, 2012, 11:26 PM
Semi-wad cutter, that`s a hell of a good bullet, probably made in the 50`s or 60`s & heck yes they would be OK to shoot...............

ArchAngelCD
November 6, 2012, 01:01 AM
I agree, that ammo should be fine to shoot but I would not. That's a cool old box of ammo with good looking ammo. I can't ever remember seeing a box of 18 rounds before.

beatledog7
November 6, 2012, 08:47 AM
Given the prevalence of 38s that are six shooters, 18 rounds per box, or 24, 30, 36, etc. makes sense. Manufacturers these days tend to package 20 or 50 per box, less frequently 25, but never multiples of six. Reloader market ammo boxes for revolver cartridges are always made for 50 or 100 rounds.

Is all that because of the rise of the 5-shooter?

I'm with the "don't shoot 'em" contingent, but only because of their collectability potential.

Certaindeaf
November 6, 2012, 09:27 AM
That there's apparently a tactical loadout! (hey, nutnfanchy!)
Back in the day, one carried his loaded six shooter with two reloads on his duty belt. Makes perfect sense.

firesky101
November 6, 2012, 12:48 PM
Certaindeaf makes a good point, combined with the plain packaging I would bet that was some kind of LEO box. Really neat item.

ArchAngelCD
November 6, 2012, 02:42 PM
Given the prevalence of 38s that are six shooters, 18 rounds per box, or 24, 30, 36, etc. makes sense.
That there's apparently a tactical loadout! (hey, nutnfanchy!)
Back in the day, one carried his loaded six shooter with two reloads on his duty belt. Makes perfect sense.
I'm not saying it doesn't make perfect sense, I'm only saying I never saw a box of 18 .38 Special cartridges. I always did wonder why a box of .38 Special ammo held 50 rounds instead of 48.

rcmodel
November 6, 2012, 02:50 PM
Looks like GI military packaging.

Three loads for a six-shot revolver.

I am not familiar with them ever using 158 grain SWC though.

rc

steveno
November 6, 2012, 02:56 PM
could have been ammo on bid for a police department. I seem to remember a police department back east that issued that load but who I don't know. if there is a lot # on the box you could ask Remington and they might tell you. I don't think the 38 special is used much anymore by police departments so it would have to been a long time ago

Certaindeaf
November 6, 2012, 03:21 PM
I'm not saying it doesn't make perfect sense, I'm only saying I never saw a box of 18 .38 Special cartridges. I always did wonder why a box of .38 Special ammo held 50 rounds instead of 48.
I hear you.
We probably use the decimal (base-10) number system because we have ten fingers and it works pretty good.

skt239
November 6, 2012, 03:50 PM
Thanks guys.

I figured it was ok to shoot as I've shot some pretty old stuff. Just thought I'd ask.

The whole reason I picked up the box in the first place was the number of rounds in the box. I too have never seen an 18 round box of anything. When I asked the guy ringing me up how much for the box, he just took it out of my hands and threw it in my bag. I don't think I'll shot them but i would like to figure out the story behind the ammo.

barstoolguru
November 6, 2012, 04:16 PM
I have shot ammo so old it had crust on the lead bullets, no problems.
Wad cutter where designed to cut paper instead of ripping a hole in it hence the name

wiki:
A wadcutter is a special-purpose flat-fronted bullet specially designed for shooting paper targets,

A semiwadcutter or SWC is a type of all-purpose bullet commonly used in revolvers. The SWC combines features of the wadcutter target bullet and traditional round nosed revolver bullets, and is used in both revolver and pistol cartridges for hunting, target shooting, and plinking. Full wadcutters frequently have problems feeding from magazines reliably in automatics, so SWCs may be used when a true WC is desired but cannot be used for this reason.

tightgroup tiger
November 6, 2012, 04:35 PM
Colt came out with a .38 Colt special after S&W developed the original. They were the same case as the .38 S&W special and interchanged with any .38 special out there, but used a semi-wadcutter bullet instead of the roundnose that S&W used.

I expect that's what those are. I wouldn't have any problems with trying six of them to see what they do as long as you try them in a .38 that is built for higher pressure.
The ammo companies made some pretty brisk rounds back then, especially for the 38-44.

rcmodel
November 6, 2012, 04:35 PM
I think it deserves more research before you shoot it up.

Cartridge collectors might pay some good money for it as long as it is all still there.

rc

skt239
November 6, 2012, 05:02 PM
I think it deserves more research before you shoot it up.

Cartridge collectors might pay some good money for it as long as it is all still there.

rc

I'm not going to shoot it and I would love to figure out its history. Maybe I'll send the picture and questions over to Remington.

barstoolguru
November 6, 2012, 07:15 PM
hold on to them in about a 100 years they will be worth something. come one folks they are 38 semi-wad cutters hardly a collectors item. shoot them up

Certaindeaf
November 6, 2012, 08:16 PM
Holy crap. While trying to find a price or anything on those .38's, I came across this..

I bought a heaping pile of it about 35 years ago or so when monkey wards stopped selling ammo. I've been shooting it ever since.. maybe I should stop. They're asking $15 for a box of 50

http://www.oldammo.com/boxes.htm

http://www.oldammo.com/BoxesForSale/Lightning.JPG

scaatylobo
November 6, 2012, 08:37 PM
I had a few boxes from the early 1980's [ JUST after the FBI shootout in Miami ] that were called 'Q' loads,they came in the same box and were +P+ 110 grain .38 special.

I fired them only in K frame or larger guns and they were HOT.

Mine were JHP,and I shot most of them up,a few were used to destroy critters.

MMCSRET
November 6, 2012, 10:33 PM
The R-P head stamp came into use in the late 50's, the Rem-Umc head stamp was dropped at the same time. Mil-spec ammunition made under contract by Remington uses the RA head stamp.

skt239
November 7, 2012, 06:17 AM
Certaintdeaf,

That's a really interesting website, thanks for posting.

Scatty,

Are you talking the ammo I posted a picture of?

Certaindeaf
November 7, 2012, 08:04 AM
^
I found that site by trying to find out something about that ammo of yours.. well, if memory serves I remember seeing it years ago while surfing.

I clicked on "centerfire handgun" and there's nothing but teeny text but in a fairly linear/logical order. I did a "control F" search but couldn't really find anything on those .38's.
If my not really that old fifty count .22's are worth $15 ea, those .38's gotta be worth something, especially boxed how they are.

scaatylobo
November 7, 2012, 05:07 PM
YES

I still have a box around here someplace and it was from a federal agency and issued to their LEO's for the .357 'K' frames that they had to carry +P .38's in.

If I find the box I will take a pic to compare for you.

I would cover the box in 'saran' wrap and take it to a gun show and see if a collector of ammo is interested.

Certaindeaf
November 7, 2012, 06:45 PM
I had a few boxes from the early 1980's [ JUST after the FBI shootout in Miami ] that were called 'Q' loads,they came in the same box and were +P+ 110 grain .38 special.

I fired them only in K frame or larger guns and they were HOT.

Mine were JHP,and I shot most of them up,a few were used to destroy critters.
Those might have been the "treasury load".. +P+ 110 grain .38 Special.

skt239
November 7, 2012, 06:53 PM
Certain Deaf and Scaaty, thanks for the great info!

scaatylobo
November 7, 2012, 09:06 PM
YES, other than the name 'Q' load that was the name I knew them as.

It looked like the same box that the OP showed up top - leastwise to me.

Jim K
November 7, 2012, 09:58 PM
I have seen a fair amount of .38 Special +P+ and it was all headstamped and box-marked as +P+. Pressures approach those of .357 Magnum and one box I have is marked not to be fired except in revolvers chambered for .357.

All I can add is that the OP's ammo appears to be contract ammo for some agency. The packaging is odd, but I can guarantee that if you order, say, two or three million rounds of ammunition, you can get it packaged any way you want.

Jim

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