Sig P290RS- review


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hariph creek
November 6, 2012, 02:45 PM
Well I've finally replaced the snub nose, as my deep cover/summer carry piece.
Converted to the metric system, too. 10mm for my "big boy gun" and 9mm for everything else.

I got a new two-tone Sig P290RS for $493, shipped. Included Sig-lite night sights, a laser (sold it) and the mags and holster.

When I first handled the old version I was not impressed. It looked BIG and blocky. Upon further reflection though? It's "looks" bigger than it is. It's quite comparable to the Kahr CM/PM series in height and length. Right between the Kahr and Shield in width. Unlike the Kahr, to me at least, it feels stout, almost robust.
I like the improvements on the newer "RS" version.
The trigger is better and resets (duh! Who thought up the first version?) Reminds me of a double action revolver trigger, only a little lighter. If you're used to a snub, you'll feel right at home. With a little practice you can even get it to stage. The trigger is quite nice after, a couple weeks, of dry fire and then live fire. (I call it dry fire but, let's be honest I was playing with my new toy.)
The finger extension on the six round mag insures no shifting during recoil.
Fit and finish are excellent. It's a tightly toleranced sturdy little gun.

I finally got out between rain showers, to shoot it, last Saturday.
50rds 115gr FMJ WWB
50rds 115gr FMJ Federal Champion
100rds 124gr FMJ Blaser Brass
80rds 124gr +P Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel

No problems what so ever. Shot in that order without stopping to clean.

I found it very accurate and recoil was no issue. I feel that the fact that this is on the heavy side for this class of gun. Makes it much more "shootable" than the lighter competition. It looks bigger than it is and shoots bigger than it is. Not too heavy for convenient carry, though.
My wife did mention that the web of her hand was sore after 4 mags. My 11 year old son had no issues and put allot of ammo down range. Of course, he also loves putting full house 10mm through my Kimber, too.

My only gripes are:
XS needs to figure out which Big Dot front sight height to use! Since it uses standard Sig dove cuts they already make them.
Where are these interchangeable grip panels Sig advertises? It's been nearly two years.
I worry this will be a "best kept secret" and Sig will drop it!
Mags are too expensive.

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TennJed
November 6, 2012, 09:44 PM
I have posted this before but I am a big fan of the P290 so I thought I would share again
I
have not seen many comparision photos showing the Sig P290 ((9MM) so I thought I would showsome comparision pics of my new Sig P290 9mm and a couple of other small guns I have. These photos are with a Ruger LCR (.22lr but same size as a 357 LCR) and a Tuarus TCP 738 380acp.

It is a little bit smaller than the LCR and a little bit bigger than the TCP. The only major differences are the Sig is heavier than both and both are quite a bit wider than the TCP. But keep inmind the TCP is a 380.

I just got the Sig yesterday and have not got a chance to shoot it, but I have high hopes. It is about as small as you would want a 9mm (IMHO) but heavy enough to control recoil (reviews indicate). but it is in no way too heavy in my opinion. Feels very good in hand. Also comes with a night sights, a (removable) laser and an extra 8rd mag all for under $500

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8313/7897657594_df7a89febc_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8032/7897656608_1f64b46b80_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8182/7897655760_a80ef8bcf2_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8451/7897654556_060d22336b_z.jpg

This one is interesting to me. The TCP is on top of the P290

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8453/7897655336_78ede2df02_z.jpg

hariph creek
November 7, 2012, 12:46 AM
The Yankee Marshall/Playboy Penguin has a good YouTube comparison video. Shows the P290 with the Kahr PM9. While I don't really like the polymer Kahrs. I think the PM/CM series is a good yardstick. They've been around long enough to kind of set a standard of reference, for size and weight.

I forgot to mention earlier the supposed issue of the near impossibility of disassembly of the P290! Apparently if a gun doesn't have a take down lever or a remote control with a "disassemble" button, it's quite daunting? MAN UP!
I've found that I can do it easily.
-Lock the slide back
-hold the gun in your left hand, with your index and middle fingers on either side of the barrel, at the front of the slide
-let the slide go SLIGHTLY forward, until the slide release/take down pin is aligned
-push the pin out
-remove the slide
To me, it seems easier than my 1911.

If you remove the firing pin, a la 1911, beware the disconnect plunger thing. It, and a very tiny spring, falls out. The spring blends in very well with my carpet.

An outfit named Bedair Machining makes a stainless guide rod. I'm seriously considering one. But, I guess if it ain't broke...

hariph creek
November 28, 2012, 02:38 PM
Just thought I'd bump this. I got to hijacking another thread talking about it.
This is a fantastic gun that was released before it was ready, and initially had too high a price tag.

I really want to spread the word on this. Sig mismanaged its debut. While they have fixed it up, it still seems to be their "red headed step-child?" I'd hate to see it "whither on the vine."

Invisible Swordsman
November 28, 2012, 03:43 PM
I love my P290RS. It's heavy for pocket carry, but doable.

Very shootable. The sights are a great help on this, and being night sights doesn't hurt. I checked the laser for function then took it off. I really don't have any use for the type Sig includes on this gun. Comes with 2 magazines, a 6 round and 8 round.

It has replaced my MK9 as the micro-9 I'm most likely to carry (off duty I mostly pocket a j-frame).

hariph creek
November 28, 2012, 09:10 PM
On another thread somebody questioned the point of the finger extension, on the six round mag. I found the flush fit base plate made it necessary to require my grip. Whereas, the finger extension has just enough lip to get a "full" two finger grip. Also the extension baseplate was faster to draw and fire. With the flush fit, I had to make a deliberate effort to scrunch my fingers up. In order to get 1-1/2 fingers, worth of purchase. I found the difference between the 8-rd and 6-rd (with extension), to be negligible. This is in both rapid fire and slow aimed fire.
I've since sold my laser and the 8-rd mag. This money went towards the purchase of more 6-rd mags. If I'm going to carry a full grip? I'm going to carry my 10mm.

While I am somewhat indifferent to lasers. I would love to see a "LightGuard" from Crimson Trace. Assuming they could do it about the same size as a "LaserGuard." Given this guns "under the radar" presence, I'd be surprised if we ever see it.

Storm
November 28, 2012, 09:30 PM
Good to know that the newer finger extension helps the grip. I had planned to try one when I see one. I'm fine with the originals but I'm always open to improvements.

As to the eight round mag, for me it serves as a second backup mag and not for carry in the gun. If I am through six rounds and into a second mag the cat is out of the bag anyway.

hariph creek
November 29, 2012, 03:38 PM
Storm, I follow your logic, makes sense.
I carry a spare mag in the "leg pocket" of my, carpenter style, pants/shorts (in a pocket pouch). The 8-rd mag is too tall, pokes out the top.

I've got to say, if the flush fit works for you? Go with it, makes for a smaller grip.
I wish it worked for me.

Storm
November 29, 2012, 04:27 PM
I will definitely try the longer floor plate. I've got about 2/3 of my bottom finger with the old plate so maybe I will prefer the new one.

Understood with the eight rounder not fitting where it needs to go. My habit of using a second higher capacity mag comes from my Walther P99 Compact where my spare mag was a fifteen rounder with a grip adapter. Old habits die hard.

As to the grip inserts, there was a guy on eBay selling them some time back. I snagged a set in OD but paid a premium price of something like $42.

One way or the other it is good to see the P290 starting to get some of the respect that it deserves.

rhinoh
November 30, 2012, 06:33 AM
This is a fantastic gun that was released before it was ready,

One would think Sig would have learned from the P238 not to do that but nooooo:confused:

My P238 sure turned me off Sig...certainly wasn't the quality and great design I found with my german P228 and my P220 carry.
The P290 I wouldn't even consider after the P238, I really like my pair of Kahr CM9s bought instead.

hariph creek
November 30, 2012, 11:44 AM
rhinoh, Don't forget, the poly-Kahrs had their teething pains as well. Most new guns do. Sig quickly addressed the "issues" with the P290.
As far as quality? I've handled four, including mine. Two P290's and two P290RS's. All have been of impeccable fit and finish. My 'RS is comparable to any German Sig Sauer I've owned. It's tight, with no blemishes, and feels sturdy. At less than $500 (nightsights, laser, two mags,), it's allot of gun for the money.

I won't knock the Kahr's, though. I've said it before, I feel they are the "yardstick" by which to compare these little 9's. They've been doing it RIGHT, longer than most of these other guns were even an idea.
The polymer Kahr's just don't "feel" right in my hand. Not flimsy...not stout, either. My P290RS works, for me. That's not to say that it's better than your CM9's. It's certainly not worse, either.

TarDevil
November 30, 2012, 02:28 PM
Gotta have one! Gun of the Year, in my opinion!

hariph creek
November 30, 2012, 04:47 PM
I don't know about that? There are a few really good guns, in this style, right now. There's a couple more that'll be pretty good, once they work out the kinks. There's a couple stinkers, too.
It's nice to have options, so you can pick the one that suits you.
I wonder how many more well see, before the next fad?
I also wonder if Glock is going to wake up and make one, before that ship has sailed? They would corner the market. Assuming it works?

TarDevil
November 30, 2012, 06:57 PM
I don't know about that? There are a few really good guns, in this style, right now

It's all a personal thing. Gun of the year for this dude! I just can't shoot super lightweight 9's... this guy's got some meat on it. Plus, I like the long revolver like trigger. That makes me more comfortable not having a safety and guarding against the "nervous trigger" syndrome if I ever have to draw.

It's just the perfect little nine for me.

hariph creek
November 30, 2012, 07:17 PM
I agree, for this dude, too.
I've carried a double action snub, for so long.
It was an easy transition.
It's that "meat" but, not too much. As well as the depth of the grip, offsetting the narrowness of it. That make it shoot "bigger" than it is. I think anyway.

rhinoh
December 1, 2012, 08:05 AM
rhinoh, Don't forget, the poly-Kahrs had their teething pains as well. Most new guns do. Sig quickly addressed the "issues" with the P290.
As far as quality? I've handled four, including mine. Two P290's and two P290RS's. All have been of impeccable fit and finish. My 'RS is comparable to any German Sig Sauer I've owned. It's tight, with no blemishes, and feels sturdy. At less than $500 (nightsights, laser, two mags,), it's allot of gun for the money.

I won't knock the Kahr's, though. I've said it before, I feel they are the "yardstick" by which to compare these little 9's. They've been doing it RIGHT, longer than most of these other guns were even an idea.
The polymer Kahr's just don't "feel" right in my hand. Not flimsy...not stout, either. My P290RS works, for me. That's not to say that it's better than your CM9's. It's certainly not worse, either.
And I'm not knocking the P290 either, it may be the greatest weapon ever, my point, which I didn't explain well, was that I was so disappointed in my P238 and its flaws that I wasn't about to give Sig any more of my money, sort of a punishment, if you will. I doubt I'll ever try a P290 since I'm perfectly content with my CM9. But you never know, been trying to cut back my gun buying expenditures, but sometimes that well known urge hits....resistance is futile:o

Storm
December 1, 2012, 11:55 AM
Hey Rhinoh, I hear you. I had issues with my P238 also and ended up getting rid of it for a very minor loss. While it appears to becoming a more common practice I consider using consumers as product testers to be reprehensible, especially when it is a weapon designed for self-defense. When I acquired my P290, a fairly early gun, I figured that the chance of having another problem gun was slim. Believe me, I thought twice about it. When the P290 had issues I was reminded of the old adage "fool me once...". But, SIG turned that repair around lightning quick so my "anger" turned to admiration. It's really a darn shame when a new weapon goes to market and has problem that clearly should have been detected with adequate product testing. I would really love to hear from someone in the industry as to what is involved with product testing.

All of that said, the end result is a fine weapon that still carries the scent of early issues since resolved. Possibly that is an acceptable risk to the arms industry, but it cheats consumers who might have otherwise owned a weapon that would serve them well.

Tommygunn
December 1, 2012, 12:15 PM
When the P290 had issues I was reminded of the old adage "fool me once...".

Out of curiosity what exactly were the issues your P - 290 had?

And if I might ask how did Sig change the mechanism to get a "re-strike" ability?

I ask because I have a regular P-290 and have not had any problems with the way it works as is. It actually isn't hard to get the gun to cycle a second time, but I'm sure if the new 290RS is a true DA type then it would be faster . . . .

Storm
December 1, 2012, 12:56 PM
The issue that my P290 had was that after about the first 35 rounds through it the hammer would not fall far enough to make contact with the firing pin.

hariph creek
December 1, 2012, 09:52 PM
I've heard that about the hammer, not striking, with the P290.

I don't like the concept of "Beta" testing. Unless, they maybe could say..."this is a Beta/prototype gun, at a discount price. It might not work, we'll fix it if it doesn't. Please let us know what you do/don't like." I suspect there are people that would take the plunge.
I don't think I will ever buy a gun within it's first year of production?

jigglyjames29
December 3, 2012, 05:11 AM
The only thing holding me back from getting this is the trigger.
9lb?
Come on...
This + a glock-like trigger would be perfect.

hariph creek
December 3, 2012, 08:59 AM
I can see how the trigger could be a problem. If you're accustomed to DA snub revolvers, it's a easy transition. Actually a little lighter. I can understand how it's a deal breaker.
There's an argument for this kind of trigger, with no thumb safety. That's really a personal thing though. After all Glocks are safe. Given proper gear and safe handling.
This is a DAO, hammer fired gun. It's never going to have a "striker" feeling trigger. For some people that's a good thing. It's also quite compact, do you don't have the same mechanical advantage a full size would. You could, I'm sure, have the trigger/action worked over. Make it slicker and lighter, to a certain extent. I personally don't like to mess with the trigger on a SD gun.

What's great is it's not the only thing out there. There are a few "best" guns available. Depending on what suits a person.

If Glock would get around to making a sub-compact, single stack, 9 and 40? They wouldn't be able to make them fast enough, for a long time. I've heard the "importation" argument. Don't they have a factory in Smyrna Georgia?

jigglyjames29
December 3, 2012, 11:08 AM
Doubt you could make it significantly lighter...
These were plagued with light strike issues.
Even some people who have the RS version have light strikes.
I know it's not really their thing, but I really wish Sig made this striker fired.

hariph creek
December 3, 2012, 02:32 PM
Your probably right. Maybe slicked up a bit though. That can make the perception of weight, to be less.
I don't notice the weight when actually live firing. It's the reset that makes revolver experience pretty handy.

If you want striker fired there's a few great choices out there.

jigglyjames29
December 3, 2012, 04:29 PM
Such as?
Don't trust the hit-or-miss quality of Kahr
Wouldn't trust a Taurus or DB

hariph creek
December 3, 2012, 04:41 PM
The Shield is pretty good. This is my second choice, behind the P290RS.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a 9&40 XDs, at SHOT Show.

Some say the Solo is fixed?

The Nano could be good, if they fix it?

If they fit me, I'd be fine with a Kahr CM9/PM9. Assuming I could examine it first. I think the PM is over priced, though.

jigglyjames29
December 4, 2012, 01:51 AM
Yeah, I was looking at the Nano, too.
Shield is a bit too big for what I intend for it.

Roverrich
December 5, 2012, 03:58 PM
Anybody know if an older P290 can be 'retrofitted' to become a restrike version?

Storm
December 5, 2012, 04:04 PM
Anybody know if an older P290 can be 'retrofitted' to become a restrike version?

I have heard that it isn't possible.

Correction, I'm reading that some folks have had SIG do the conversion to RS.

hariph creek
December 6, 2012, 03:13 PM
It's my understanding that Sig will do it. I could be wrong though?

dbp
December 6, 2012, 04:46 PM
The Nano could be good, if they fix it?

What's wrong with the Nano? Just about every review I see gives it high marks.

hariph creek
December 6, 2012, 05:46 PM
They've had a failure to extract/eject problem. Not all, probably not most but, a problem none the less. I quit following them a few months ago. Maybe it's been addressed?
However, they were refusing to acknowledge any such issue.
Which is something I think Sig got right, with the P290. In having identified (perhaps not openly) some needed fixes, and executing them.

TarDevil
December 10, 2012, 09:01 PM
Got my hands on one at the LGS Sunday afternoon...love at first grasp. Too bad my bonus was so small. Hope Santa is real!

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