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JFtheGR8
November 7, 2012, 06:22 AM
No rest for the wicked. Get your pro 2A letters out today or call, email, visit your representatives offices. Whether they are newly elected or seasoned politicians we need to be heard now more than ever. Even though Obama can appoint those supreme court justices Congress needs to approve them so make as much noise as possible.


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sig228
November 7, 2012, 07:01 AM
I 100% agree. Lets look forward. No time to cry or complain about what COULD have happened.

bowserb
November 7, 2012, 07:56 AM
No rest for the wicked. Get your pro 2A letters out today or call, email, visit your representatives offices. Whether they are newly elected or seasoned politicians we need to be heard now more than ever. Even though Obama can appoint those supreme court justices Congress needs to approve them so make as much noise as possible.

I have to disagree. There is nothing cooking right now, and you start bugging your reps about gun rights prematurely, they may get burned out on the subject before it becomes pertinent. When legislation comes up, start writing. When Comrade Obama nominates a new justice, start writing--to the Senate. It is the Senate who confirms SC justices, and the Senate is still majority Democrat, so it won't really matter. Only 12 times in 235 years has a nominee not been confirmed. Just pray for the health of the five, and for Alzheimer's for the other four.

JFtheGR8
November 7, 2012, 08:46 AM
An assault weapons ban has been Obama's second term plan all along. During the debates he said he would work toward an assault weapons ban. He did nothing about it in his first term intentionally in order to be able to win reelection. He has kept much of his agenda secret to get another term I'm afraid. I hope I'm wrong for all our sake.


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beatledog7
November 7, 2012, 08:58 AM
Agreed. It will be most pertinent when the time comes for a SCOTUS appointment.

highlander 5
November 7, 2012, 09:08 AM
The President can propose any gun controll he'd like the congress is divided so it's unlikely that anything will get thru. In fact that's my hope for the next four years that the house and senate can't agree on anything.

bowserb
November 7, 2012, 09:08 AM
An assault weapons ban has been Obama's second term plan all along. During the debates he said he would work toward an assault weapons ban. He did nothing about it in his first term intentionally in order to be able to win reelection. He has kept much of his agenda secret to get another term I'm afraid. I hope I'm wrong for all our sake.
With this point I agree 100%. Bad news is coming. Besides Comrade Obama, who is on record saying that no citizen should be allowed to own a handgun, we have Silly Hillary, who will be back helping the UN with its gun ban agenda. So far, the worst done by BO and Co have been done behind the scenes (barring reimport of M1 Garands, Fast and Furious, and others), and they are likely to continue that. With luck, BO will do something even more impeachment-worthy and be taken out of office.

I only suggest holding off on your congressman until you have something specific to write about. Fortunately, my congressman (7th District, Texas, Republican John Culberson, just reelected) is conservative and pro-second amendment. On issues that matter (illegal immigration, taxes, deficit spending, etc.), I usually hear his position in his emailings before I even have a chance to contact him. Our continuing Senator John Cornyn is a windsock, so is currently in line with us conservatives. The newly elected Senator Ted Cruz looks good if he is half what he campaigned on.

I'm sure that an hour from now (9am central time), there will be the first round of panic buyers at my friendly local gun shop. I read a while back that Glock doubled production for the U.S. months ago in anticipation of this day. I have to confess: I'm thinking harder about that G32 (.357Sig) this morning myself, as well as another half dozen 30-rd AR mags and another 1,000 rds of 5.56. The safe is already full of .45.

Queen_of_Thunder
November 7, 2012, 09:40 AM
Ok. Everybody take a deep breath and release it. Now to some cold hard facts.

1. The U.S. House still retains a Republican majority so no anti gun bill will pass without their approval.

2. The U.S. Senate had 44 Republicans when I went to bed last night and they still probably have that many this morning. Remember now if an issue doesnt have 60 votes in the Senate nothing happens. So we are covered there also.

3. As far as the Supreme Court goes I doubt that any of the Justices that support our view will step down by choice. On the otherhand a liberal one may step down but if that happens the status quo doesnt change.


Now what you really need to do is to support those who will be up for re-election 2 years from now. If your present rep supports the Second Amendment then go visit and offer your dupport now. Offer your time and resources for the next election.
If your present rep doesnt support us try to convince them and if that fails you have 2 years to find one who will and lay the groundwork to get them elected.

Just dont go all " chicken little" over Romenys loss. It just makes us look like a bunch of loons. So start preparing for the 2014 off year elections to ensure those that support the Second Amendment either stay in office or are elected to office. Its our battle to loose.

hso
November 7, 2012, 10:20 AM
Woah!

This isn't Activism Discussion.

Contacting your current and upcoming elected officials is always a good idea. You'll have the most influence over the ones you worked in their campaigns to elect, but getting a moment with the ones coming into office and pointing out that the rise in sales and stock values for firearms manufacturers producing firearms that would have fallen under the old AWB is a clear indication that any vaguely similar restrictions would be bad for their reelection and their party as a whole. Point out that while you'd support their support for the roll back of restrictions on ownership of firearms and their use, you will ardently work for whichever politician supports the individual 2A and against those that side with VPC and anyone interested in any version of an AWB.

Don't get all wrapped around the axle with issues like approval of SCOTUS Justices that may or not retire. Focus on the point that you will work for any politician that does not adopt a VPC compatible voting record.

Godsgunman
November 7, 2012, 10:23 AM
^^^ What Queen_of_Thunder said

Queen_of_Thunder
November 7, 2012, 10:34 AM
We have people already running aroun doing tje " chicken little" ghing in regatds to buying guns and ammo. Take a deep breath means simply sit down and calmly reevaluate the situation. Being disrespectful gets us nowhere and most people understand that.

I laid out a very successful method to maintain our Rights and I get attacked over my writing abilities. Well I do the best I can with fat fingers on this small smartphone and dometimes I miss things. So sue me. Also at what point as adults do we start behaving as adults. Calling people Comrade in an effort to be disrespectful reflects badly on us all and makes it even harder to get people over to our side of the issue. Enough of this I'm heading to the rsnge for practice. Got a match Saturday.

Mr.454
November 7, 2012, 11:05 AM
Last I checked PRESIDENTS don't pass laws, that would be the LEGISLATIVE branch that can do that. And being that they would still like to be re-elected I'm not worried at all.

barnetmill
November 7, 2012, 11:50 AM
For letter writing the main thing is to be alert and when legitimate issues rear up their ugly heads to respond. The biggest dangers will new rulings by the ATF and these governmental entities that control imports. Others include Presidential executive orders and action by the us product consumer safety commision which right now does not do guns and ammo. Iin other words the non-elected branches of government will be our biggest concern. I recommend paying a lot of attention to the alerts from the NRA which are usually most important and do as they request relative to contacting your elected and unelected officials.

Queen_of_Thunder
November 7, 2012, 04:07 PM
What to do if you have a rep who is not a 2nd Amendment supporter.

1. Talk to them.

2. Form a core group of supporters.

3. Read up on your state election laws

4. Start looking for a replacement. Best is a middle of the road person for all issues except for the second amendment and there you want a die hard supporter. Easier to elect.

5. Begin laying the groundwork for the 2014 election.

6. Execute your plan.

barstoolguru
November 7, 2012, 05:05 PM
free to a good home

Cactus Jack Arizona
November 7, 2012, 05:15 PM
"Last I checked PRESIDENTS don't pass laws, that would be the LEGISLATIVE branch that can do that. And being that they would still like to be re-elected I'm not worried at all."

Have you ever heard of an Executive Order? He stated himself in the first debate that he plans to seek a semi-auto ban on ALL rifles and pistols. Being a lame duck, he won't need the Legislative branch to enact his will, nor does he have to worry about re-election. All he has to do is pen out an Executive Order and it's done. There will be nothing that you, nor the NRA will be able to do about it until he leaves office. Write away if you must. I don't see the point to it. He's already telegraphed his next move. This will be Clinton part II. Sorry to be a negative Nelly, I'm just being realistic.

bowserb
November 8, 2012, 10:27 AM
Have you ever heard of an Executive Order? He stated himself in the first debate that he plans to seek a semi-auto ban on ALL rifles and pistols. Being a lame duck, he won't need the Legislative branch to enact his will, nor does he have to worry about re-election. All he has to do is pen out an Executive Order and it's done. There will be nothing that you, nor the NRA will be able to do about it until he leaves office. Write away if you must. I don't see the point to it. He's already telegraphed his next move. This will be Clinton part II. Sorry to be a negative Nelly, I'm just being realistic.
Cactus Jack, you are exactly right. This president has done--even in his first term--more EO's to do what should be in the Congress' arena than I would have imagined. Did the Congress block the reimporting of M1 Garand rifles from Korea? Did the Congress authorize Fast and Furious? Did the Congress get on board with the UN's [temporarily on hold] gun ban?

The greatest risk of all is that Justices Scalia and Kennedy will reach 80 years old during this president's second term. Only one need be replaced with another gun-hating liberal judge for Heller and McDonald to be at risk of reversal with the next case the SC may select. Only 12 times in 230 years has the Senate not confirmed an appointment to the SC. Only 51 Senators are required to affirm an appointment, and we have 56 Democrat Senators, not to mention a half dozen or so closet liberals on the Republican side of the aisle. Once the SC is 5/4 liberal, the 2nd amendment can be rendered irrelevant within just a few years.

I'm not going to bug my congressman just yet, but I am going to be watching for sales on 5.56mm and .45acp ammo, as well as 30-round mags--plus maybe even a 60-round AR mag (as an investment). I'm thinking of moving up my timetable on purchase of a .357Sig handgun, too. And maybe it's time for that AR varmint rifle and Marlin 336 (if I can find a pre-Freedom Group model).

Neverwinter
November 9, 2012, 02:04 AM
Cactus Jack, you are exactly right. This president has done--even in his first term--more EO's to do what should be in the Congress' arena than I would have imagined. Did the Congress block the reimporting of M1 Garand rifles from Korea? Did the Congress authorize Fast and Furious? Did the Congress get on board with the UN's [temporarily on hold] gun ban?

Obama - 140 EOs in 4 years
G.W. Bush - 291 EOs in 8 years
Clinton - 364 EOs in 8 years
Bush Sr. - 166 EOs in 4 years
Carter - 320 EOs in 4 years

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

Hardly significantly more than any other president. Its easy to say, "Wow, 140 in 4 years, that's a LOT!" without any sort of frame of reference.

By all means, please cite the evidence showing that Obama authorized the gunwalking of F&F.

bowserb
November 9, 2012, 07:35 AM
By all means, please cite the evidence showing that Obama authorized the gunwalking of F&F.
The administration has released approximately 5% of the F&F documents requested by the House. I have no access to even that 5%, much less the remaining 95%, but ask yourself this: Is it possible that an operation like Fast & Furious could have been planned and executed without the knowledge and approval of the President and Attorney General?

Neverwinter
November 9, 2012, 08:51 AM
The administration has released approximately 5% of the F&F documents requested by the House. I have no access to even that 5%, much less the remaining 95%, but ask yourself this: Is it possible that an operation like Fast & Furious could have been planned and executed without the knowledge and approval of the President and Attorney General?
The documents which were available to the Inspector General only excluded ones which were covered by executive privilege, a greater amount than was released to the House. In that report, it was revealed how the local offices drove it.

In the emails uncovered by the House proceedings, Holder asked subordinates whether gun walking was being performed. The answer that he got back was a "no".

So yes, it is possible, and all of the current evidence indicates as such.

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hso
November 9, 2012, 11:05 AM
We need to knock off conjecturing about what the administration has done and focus on how we can head off what the "Usual Suspects" in Congress are expected to introduce into legislation.

This thread is about effective communication with the members of the House and Senate, including the leadership, to help accomplish the blocking of the inevitable bills and amendments that we know Feinstein, McCarthy, and others will be pushing.

Green Lantern
November 9, 2012, 12:53 PM
Last I checked PRESIDENTS don't pass laws, that would be the LEGISLATIVE branch that can do that. And being that they would still like to be re-elected I'm not worried at all.

Congress didn't pass Obama's pseudo-Amnesty, for one example. He did that by fiat, er, Executive Order.

And unless I've been misinformed, not 24 hours after the election Obama was calling for more talks on a United Nations gun control treaty. I've no doubt that Hillary's replacement will be every bit as anti-2A as her. IMO, time to start hammering the Senate - remind our friends how we feel about it, urge our enemies to see reason. Oh, and try to get a straight answer out of ones like NC's Kay Hagan who SAYS she supports the 2A, but VOTES like an Obama drone.

Neverwinter
November 10, 2012, 02:22 PM
And unless I've been misinformed, not 24 hours after the election Obama was calling for more talks on a United Nations gun control treaty.
You have been.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A627J20121107
U.N. diplomats said the vote had been expected before Tuesday's U.S. presidential election but was delayed due to Superstorm Sandy, which caused a three-day closure of the United Nations last week.

bowserb
November 10, 2012, 02:45 PM
I take back my original post that said it is premature to start writing to Congress. Clearly Obama was just waiting for the election and now supports the UN's ATT. Write your Senators ASAP! I just did.

Dave P
November 10, 2012, 03:05 PM
"Last I checked PRESIDENTS don't pass laws, "

I foresee that Obama will twist the arms of his beloved EPA to declare that lead is deadly and outlaw it now, while primers and powder are declared as weapons of terrorists/mass-destruction and are hereby prohibited.

Door-to-door inspections to follow, after all your previous purchases are reviewed in detail. Just think of how many jobs can be created to follow this plan!

hso
November 10, 2012, 05:26 PM
Note: This is The High Road and not some school yard where twisting anyone's name into some "cute" slur will be tolerated. It is simpleminded and destroys the seriousness of the issue.

It is NEVER too soon to put elected officials on notice and to remind them periodically that the people who elected them have expectations for their voting in state Legislatures or the U.S. Congress and that the voter will not tolerate any degradation of our right to keep and bear arms. To forget that is to forget that they can be replaced next election.

G27RR
November 11, 2012, 06:03 PM
Contact your US Senators about supporting this bill to help try to stop the EPA from having any say in the matter. It is supposed to be up for vote next week.

The Sportsmen's Act of 2012." S. 3525 is an essential piece of legislation focused on the expansion and enhancement of hunting, recreational fishing and shooting on federal public land.This bill is a compilation of 19 bipartisan bills important to the sportsmen's community. In addition to promoting land access, the bill would amend the "Toxic Substances Control Act" to prevent this and future administrations from using the Environmental Protection Agency to eliminate the right of hunters, shooters and anglers to use traditional ammunition and fishing tackle. The bill would amend the law to clarify that the EPA does not have the authority to regulate shot, bullets or sport fishing equipment.

hso
November 11, 2012, 10:29 PM
Those are already exempt under the 40 CFR regs so the "Sportsman's Act of 2012" doesn't serve much real purpose. It is primarily a feel good duplication of the existing law. It has come about because some extremist organizations have tried to force removal of lead based ammunition from hunting using TSCA. They've tried twice and failed twice because EPA has told them both times that they do not have authority to regulate bullets and sinkers because they are specifically exempted from environmental regulation.

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