QuickLoad software


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bob4
November 7, 2012, 08:09 AM
Does anyone use this software ? I just had a quick look at the demo and it looks pretty complicated and involved.
Without reading a bunch on it yet what is its goal for me?

So if I load all the info for my 270 they ask for( which I assume I can't with the demo) what will it tell me? Might be way beyond how far I want to go at this point as a beginning loader.

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helotaxi
November 7, 2012, 09:26 AM
As a beginning loader, it will have minimal benefit for you and might serve to generate more confusion than answer questions.

W.E.G.
November 7, 2012, 10:34 AM
I have the Quickload program, and it is excellent for running lots of "what-if" scenarios.
As a novice loading small quantities of hunting ammo, and practice ammo, I'm not sure what good that does you.

For a novice reloading bottleneck rifle cartridges, your money will be better spent on a proper case gage.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/ammunition/precisionmic.jpg

Andrew Leigh
November 7, 2012, 10:38 AM
What it requires is a couple of parameters;

Case volume, jump, bullet mass, barrel length, bullet mass and type, powder mass and type and a couple of others. The program will them simulate where the accuracy node for your rifle are and allow you to tweak the powder load to meet these criteria.

My friend has a copy and he has done some loads for me, they are remarkably accurate and within 10 fps on speed. It is a wonderful tool but if you have limited calibre's then use the OCW method. I use it and it has never failed. With Quick load you are there within a couple of shots, with OCW about 24 shots.

bob4
November 7, 2012, 03:06 PM
Thanks everyone. Sounds like I'll just pass on this for now.

Clark
November 7, 2012, 04:01 PM
Take a few minutes to master these three things it can do for you.

My schpeal:

1) Click on the Quickload icon on your desktop
2) Click on "continue".
3) select a cartridge
4) click on the 7th icon on the tool bar. It is the second image that is binoculars over a case.
5) click on "ok"
6) Click on "ok"
7) Click on "ok"
8) Click on "yes"
9) Select a bullet
10) select a powder
11) type in a powder charge
13) type in a barrel length
14) click on "Apply&Calc" in the charge section
15) Wait for 10 seconds for the velocity and pressure to appear

16) Click on the QuickTarget icon on your desktop
17) Click on continue
18) Click on "Receive Data from QuickLOAD"

19) Click on the 16th icon on the Quickload tool bar that says "1 2 3".
20) Enter a maximum pressure of 65,000 psi
21) Click on "Apply&Exit"
22) Find the powder in that list, that you own, that gets the highest velocity
23) Select that powder in the charge section

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3RkvTxW4lE

bob4
November 7, 2012, 05:44 PM
Wow. Those3 are my kind of directions. Click this click that. :D Thanks Clark. I'll have a look at that in a while.

bob4
November 7, 2012, 06:05 PM
Ahh.. Can't seem to follow your directions. I get stopped at can't find .bul files choose another folder. Searched my comp and no such files exist.

Clark
November 7, 2012, 06:33 PM
Do you have Quickload or a demo?

I tried the demo 10 yeas ago, and there were only a couple cartridges.

helotaxi
November 7, 2012, 06:36 PM
The program will them simulate where the accuracy node for your rifle are and allow you to tweak the powder load to meet these criteria.Since when did it do this?

bob4
November 7, 2012, 08:13 PM
Yes just the Demo. Probably why I'm at a stand still.

Andrew Leigh
November 8, 2012, 12:20 AM
@Helotaxi

I don't have Quick Load but my friend does who checks loads out for me on the odd occasion, he will phone me and say. "You will have two / three accuracy nodes, one at XXgr and YYfps, the next at XXXgr and YYYfps and the last at XXXXgr and YYYYfps." How he gets there I am not sure. What I can tell you is that I have checked and every time he speaks of an accuracy node I have already proved this to be true using the OCW method. QL is seldom out to reality by 10fps.

Jdillon
November 8, 2012, 12:35 AM
I use Quick Load extensively and is well worth the money. I use it for load development and the calculated velocities are very close to my actual chronograph readings from the range. Takes a little time investment to learn the intricacies of the program but time well spent.

blarby
November 8, 2012, 12:46 AM
For a novice reloading bottleneck rifle cartridges, your money will be better spent on a proper case gage.

Thats good advice right there.

RCBS makes a precision mic set that is second to none for the money, and you will learn to use it very easily. Its a "must have" for me in terms of precision for any caliber.

Couple that with a comp seater die, and some basic math, and you'll be all set and ready to go !

helotaxi
November 8, 2012, 01:18 AM
@Helotaxi

I don't have Quick Load but my friend does who checks loads out for me on the odd occasion, he will phone me and say. "You will have two / three accuracy nodes, one at XXgr and YYfps, the next at XXXgr and YYYfps and the last at XXXXgr and YYYYfps." How he gets there I am not sure. What I can tell you is that I have checked and every time he speaks of an accuracy node I have already proved this to be true using the OCW method. QL is seldom out to reality by 10fps.
Must be a newer version than the one I have. Not sure how it can figure it though.

rsrocket1
November 8, 2012, 10:12 AM
One of the concepts of accuracy nodes is "optimal barrel time"
Check this link out. (http://www.the-long-family.com/optimal%20barrel%20time.htm) Pretty technical stuff, but it makes sense and works if you enjoy being a tech geek. You need a spreadsheet program like excel or Open Office calc and you must enable macros to use his spreadsheet calculator. You also need the full version of Quickload to calculate the barrel time of the bullet.

It worked backwards for me and validated my optimal loads which I determined earlier by simply matching MV's of the most accurate commercial ammo I found for my 20" AR which was 3000 fps with a 55g fmjbt.

helotaxi
November 8, 2012, 10:16 AM
Thanks for the link. Now I have something to mess with over the winter.

Snag
January 31, 2013, 01:17 PM
I've been mulling over buying Quickload for a long time, finally got it a couple weeks ago.

First impression, I feel like it's price of $150 should be about $39.95. You get no free data updates, and even if you willing to buy a data update there is no documentation like a changelog on the web site to tell you what your paying for. Start looking around you notice things like many of the powders haven't been updated in over a decade. Seems like a long time to go without an update in an area where having and using the latest data in always recommended.

It's horrible with velocity. Yes I use proper data inputs. Rifles sometimes certain combinations are close, sometimes way off. Semi-auto pistol rounds are worse. Revolvers, forget about it. I've yet to figure out the right way to tweak things so the numbers agree with what I see over a chronograph. I do believe it for pressure though, amount of powder burnt and stuff like that. It's predicted MAP-25% is usually right on to what book data lists as max, and if it's off it's way off and noticeable.

It's good for the odd question, like why does no one list N340 lead data for 45 Colt. And exactly how much of it should I put under 250gr LRNFP with a midsize frame Blackhawk that Ruger says it good for 45 ACP +P levels. Is it like the jacketed data....etc, etc. It did answer that question, but damn it was an expensive question.

rsrocket1
January 31, 2013, 04:04 PM
If you say it's so bad in all those other parameters, how could you possibly say it is believable for pressure which should be the most important aspect when it come to the safety of your gun and yourself? You cad test if vs. a chrony, do you also have a pressure transducer to compare it with?
I find it interesting that you are so far off with your numbers.
Most of the loads I've tested it with are between 0 and 7% with .40
S&W over about 40 strings of data.
I have learned that with ultra short barrels ~2" the predicted MV is way off, but with barrels between 4-6" in handguns, it is pretty good and very good with .223 and .308 load in my 20" AR and 22" Remington 788.

kelbro
January 31, 2013, 05:33 PM
My personal experience with QuickLoad has been that it was well worth the money.

Velocity predictions were VERY close on almost every rifle load and I started seeing pressure signs where QL predicted them.

One of the biggest advantages was in the powder selection function. Saved me enough money by eliminating certain powders that I wanted to try to pay for itself.

HighExpert
January 31, 2013, 06:38 PM
If you buy 3 different reloading manuals you will find differences in loads, velocity and pressure between the three. I have Quickload and find it is very helpful to keep my out of the doghouse when it comes to pressures. The graphs can also be trusted to give a reasonable place to start load development when loading for the best accuracy. Good software is always expensive.

Snag
February 15, 2013, 12:07 PM
If you say it's so bad in all those other parameters, how could you possibly say it is believable for pressure which should be the most important aspect when it come to the safety of your gun and yourself? You cad test if vs. a chrony, do you also have a pressure transducer to compare it with?
I find it interesting that you are so far off with your numbers.
Most of the loads I've tested it with are between 0 and 7% with .40
S&W over about 40 strings of data.
I have learned that with ultra short barrels ~2" the predicted MV is way off, but with barrels between 4-6" in handguns, it is pretty good and very good with .223 and .308 load in my 20" AR and 22" Remington 788.

Because it's true. Quickload is a nice gimmick for a "what if" simulation but nothing more.

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