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el Godfather
November 8, 2012, 12:49 AM
Dear THR,
IF money was no concern and it was legal to own, which one of the guns listed in the poll would you like to buy/own? Please disccuss your choice if you may.

Thanks

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Cactus Jack Arizona
November 8, 2012, 04:13 AM
I chose the CZ. Imo, it's the best of the best.

Jed Carter
November 8, 2012, 05:03 AM
Glock G18, actually 2 G18s and enough magazines to melt the frames. If money was not a concern I would like a Cylinder and Slide Centenial 1911...too.

Shadow 7D
November 8, 2012, 05:04 AM
Borchart
or a FA DWM Broomhandle, fully stocked, long barrel mauser
Or any of the early Mannlichter pistols

Actually
money is NO object, .45APC US trials Luger Number 2, there were about 20? .45 APC lugers made, however, two were submitted to the US trials and number one was destroyed during testing, so that leave number 2, and money would have to be no object, that's the worlds most expensive gun.

EDIT
http://rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/57/lid/1863
Rock Island Auction has the Savage entry up for auction at the end up the month,

Resist Evil
November 8, 2012, 06:26 AM
On your list, I would like the Wilson. There's a cachet about Wilson. My wife owns a non-Master Nighthawk. It was an ordeal to get. The Wilson would be for me.

Off your list, I would like to own a NIB Colt's 1908 hammerless pocket pistol.

Not even in existence, I would like to own a NIB Colt's 1908-style hammerless pocket pistol in 9mm. Can you imagine how cool that would be? I know Bill Laughridge at Cylinder and Slide in Fremont, Nebraska makes one up in .45ACP and that may just be the ticket. Someday. If the economy ever makes a comeback. I should live so long.:D

Kyle M.
November 8, 2012, 06:47 AM
Borchart
or a FA DWM Broomhandle, fully stocked, long barrel mauser
Or any of the early Mannlichter pistols

Actually
money is NO object, .45APC US trials Luger Number 2, there were about 20? .45 APC lugers made, however, two were submitted to the US trials and number one was destroyed during testing, so that leave number 2, and money would have to be no object, that's the worlds most expensive gun.

EDIT
http://rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/57/lid/1863
Rock Island Auction has the Savage entry up for auction at the end up the month,

I'll have to get my book and get the exact number, but at one time Wayne Novak owned 6 or 7 of the savage trial pistols. Theres some really good pics of one in Patrick Sweeneys 1911 the first 100 years, it's a really neat little pistol.

WoodchuckAssassin
November 8, 2012, 07:03 AM
I went for the Glock 18C, but I changed my mind to the Nighthawk. The Glock sure is something, but I'm a 1911 man, and there's no shaking that part of me.

wlewisiii
November 8, 2012, 08:13 AM
None of the above.
The only interesting one is the Astra & having owned a real Mauser C96 in the past, it's not even that interesting.

Things I'd find far more interesting:
Coonan 357
Sig P210 (original model)
Savage .45 ACP trials pistol
Dan Wesson Pistol Pack revolver in .45 Colt.
A Parker 16 gauge in CHE or better grade

GreyCoupe
November 8, 2012, 08:58 AM
You forgot the most accurate one of all, SIG p210.

!

tarosean
November 8, 2012, 09:02 AM
Korth made a Tactical model? You sure about that?

Nothing really on your list. The 1911's aren't anything special so I'd have to go with the X-6

My choice? I'd probably go with the below
Christianson or Chen 1911

And have to pick up one of the below during the waiting period..
Pardini GT96B or a Sig X-5 Short and Smart

LeonCarr
November 8, 2012, 09:06 AM
I shot a Glock 18C once upon a time at a Law Enforcement Range Day and it was very hard to give it back. It will empty a 33 round magazine in about 1.5 seconds. The Range Instructor said that the only submachine gun/machine pistol with a higher cyclic rate than the Glock 18 was the MAC-10.

Big fun.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

56hawk
November 8, 2012, 09:34 AM
Tough choice between the Beretta 93R and the Astra 903. If it was a M712 Schnellfeuer instead of the Astra I probably would have gone that way. Went with the Beretta because I think it's one of the best looking full auto pistols.

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/italy/hg137/1287740858.jpg

The smiling swordsman
November 8, 2012, 09:37 AM
The cool factor of these guns is through the roof. I voted for the Beretta because of the select fire option. If I were going for straight up sexiness. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the 1911s.

EBShooting
November 8, 2012, 09:43 AM
I picked the Nighthawk. All the guns on the list have a TON of cool and wow factor to them. However, having owned a Nighthawk before, and personally knowing the people at Nighthawk I think I'd tend to be brand loyal.

bannockburn
November 8, 2012, 09:46 AM
I have to go with the Beretta Model 93R, though the Glock G18 was also mighty tempting.

el Godfather
November 8, 2012, 11:11 AM
Yes korth does make tactical.

I myself chose Glock 18c as its the one I used the most . I also wanted to include a CZ Auto but didnt want two CZs on the list.

allaroundhunter
November 8, 2012, 07:38 PM
While the Glock 18 is a fun shooter, I just didn't enjoy it that much. For a full-auto weapon, I prefer a shoulder fired gun.

That being said, I went with the Wilson because I want a high-quality .45 that I won't have a problem putting to work (so no beautiful stainless ones ;)).

But I would choose the Tactical Supergrade instead of the TS Professional...

orionengnr
November 8, 2012, 07:52 PM
Wilson, without a doubt.
The Nighthawk is an engraved monstrosity, and the DW Havoc is appropriately named. Its designer wreaked havoc on JMB's design.

Inebriated
November 8, 2012, 07:58 PM
Wilson Combat.

I'm not a big 1911 guy (in fact, it's a miracle that I didn't chose the 18C!), but the work Wilson Combat puts out is just plain gorgeous.

19-3Ben
November 8, 2012, 08:07 PM
I went with the Wilson Combat. The very first 1911 I ever fired was a Wilson CQB. I've been sold on them ever since. Some day when I have a bit more disposable income I'll get one, (although I can't see the point in the Supergrade professional.)

Jaymo
November 8, 2012, 08:35 PM
Wilson, Beretta 93R, Mauser "Schnellfeuer", Stechkin.
Hell, I can't choose.

jeepnik
November 8, 2012, 09:44 PM
Oh heck, my choice isn't even there.

Webley Fosbery. Last one I saw for sale went for $7000, and it wasn't even in very good shape.

bc1023
November 8, 2012, 10:09 PM
I own a couple Korths.

Which is the Tactical? The semi auto in 45ACP? If so, it was never in production.

I have one in 9mm. Awesome pistol.

CZ57
November 8, 2012, 10:10 PM
After the SIG P-210 the pistol I'd lust for most would be a Dan Wesson 1911. Not familiar with the Havoc. Some of the pistols on the list are full auto capable so how does the Havoc play into this? ;)

Rinspeed
November 8, 2012, 10:17 PM
Wilson, without a doubt.




Wilson :confused: You could count the number of 1911 master smiffs on one hand that compare to Paul Liebenberg of Pistol Dynamics.

bc1023
November 8, 2012, 10:18 PM
From just a quality standpoint, the Korth and Pistol Dynamics pretty much take the cake on that list.

The Wilson Supergrades are very nice, but nothing overly special, in my opinion.

el Godfather
November 9, 2012, 03:57 AM
bc1023

Check out here (http://www.korthusa.com/auto_models_en.htm)

Korth company has more information on the models if you pursue to order one.

Ala Dan
November 9, 2012, 04:56 AM
It's good enough for me~! :D ;)

tarosean
November 9, 2012, 05:50 AM
Korth company has more information on the models if you pursue to order one.

Instead of posting a 2 yr old price list from Earls Repair, aka Korthusa. Whom imported for Walther and Korth as proof..

http://korthwaffen.de/
You will not find the semi-auto on their site anymore. Nor USA having a distributor..

bc1023
November 9, 2012, 06:28 AM
bc1023

Check out here (http://www.korthusa.com/auto_models_en.htm)

Korth company has more information on the models if you pursue to order one.

Korth never made the 45ACP version. There were a couple of prototypes. One is in a private collection and the other is at Korth USA.

It's not something you can order (and expect to actually get). Korth has built less than 300 pistols in all calibers and only two 45s, both are prototypes.

bc1023
November 9, 2012, 06:31 AM
Instead of posting a 2 yr old price list from Earls Repair, aka Korthusa. Whom imported for Walther and Korth as proof..

http://korthwaffen.de/
You will not find the semi-auto on their site anymore. Nor USA having a distributor..

Korth USA has not received any semi autos from Germany in about 10 years. They do have a couple in stock at about $10,000 a piece.

el Godfather
November 9, 2012, 07:18 AM
Something to definately go after if so rare. I will check with my guy who imports for me.

bc1023
November 9, 2012, 07:39 AM
Ever see the Korth video on YT?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7GTDNUcXcQ



Here's mine, SN# P122.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/042-3.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/044-2.jpg

Rinspeed
November 9, 2012, 08:36 AM
Looks great Brian. ;)

bc1023
November 9, 2012, 10:07 AM
Thanks Jeff :cool:

el Godfather
November 9, 2012, 03:19 PM
Can tell us more about the quality of Korth from personal experience?

bc1023
November 9, 2012, 08:50 PM
They certainly live up to their reputation. Quality is simply top notch in every way. I also have a Korth Combat 357 revolver and it's truly amazing how well that gun is built.

JohnBT
November 9, 2012, 11:24 PM
My Sig X-5 TAC is black and my SIG P-210 is blue, so I voted for the Scandic Blue gun.

John

el Godfather
November 10, 2012, 09:07 AM
The scanhic blue in gold trim is certainly worth the look.

jfrey
November 10, 2012, 06:25 PM
I had to go with Pistol Dynamics. Paul makes some pretty fine weapons. So does Claudio at Briley.

CPshooter
November 10, 2012, 07:30 PM
I'd probably go with a mint P7 M8 w/ HK/Nill grips.

bc1023
November 11, 2012, 12:23 AM
I had to go with Pistol Dynamics. Paul makes some pretty fine weapons.

"Pretty fine" would be the understatement of the year. :p

Paul builds of the best 1911s in the world. I'm the pride owner of the first Signature model he produced on his in-house frames, hence the serial # SIG1001.

If you go to his website and look at the pictures page, my gun is there. I ordered it in 2007, got it two years later.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/064.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_0005.jpg

el Godfather
November 11, 2012, 09:38 AM
Bc1023
It looks like you have some nice guns in your colection.

Rinspeed
November 11, 2012, 10:07 AM
Bc1023
It looks like you have some nice guns in your colection.




That would be an understatement.

56hawk
November 11, 2012, 11:53 AM
I know this is kind of a 1911 fanboy site but I'm surprised that a majority of people would rather have a 1911 than a machine gun.

Devonai
November 11, 2012, 12:33 PM
Indeed, throwing a couple of select-fire pistols into the works kind of obfuscates the discussion. I voted for the Beretta 93R because by the time you're talking that kind of cash, you might as well go for something truly unusual. Plus, I'm one of those Neanderthals that doesn't see much of a difference between a Wilson Combat and a Norinco.

wojownik
November 11, 2012, 04:46 PM
Limiting myself to the list, I would have selected the Nighthawk 1911 if I was in my usual practical mind. But it I really had money to burn for a "vanity" piece, the Sig Sauer X6 scandic blue is just the right level of ostentatious and obnoxious. :D

el Godfather
November 11, 2012, 09:50 PM
Devonai
I do understand what you mean.

Swing
November 11, 2012, 09:54 PM
Astra Model 903! Transferable buzz-gun C/96s ain't cheap, but dang, they are classics. :D

click clack
November 11, 2012, 09:59 PM
I didn't vote because I don't think there is one that deserves my more than any of the others do. They are all phenomenal.

wep45
November 11, 2012, 10:00 PM
this poll is incomplete!:neener:

my choice………………S&W registered magnum.:cool:

bc1023
November 12, 2012, 07:43 PM
Personally, I think you should add the Valtro 1998 A1 to the list.

They are quite rare and when they ever do actually come up for sale, the price just keeps going up. I'd be amazed if you could find an unfired example for under $5000 these days, but probably a bit more. That's if you can find one at all. I haven't seen one for sale on Gunbroker in over two years now.

As for the Wilson and Nighthawk, they're nice 1911s, but still built at a semi custom shop. I don't see anything overly special about them and I've got multiple Nighthawks and Wilsons, including a Super Grade. Again, great 1911s, but not special.

The Valtro is certainly more on par with some of the others on your list, just due to its rarity and price.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/053.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/056-1.jpg

allaroundhunter
November 13, 2012, 12:03 AM
bc1023, if for some ungodly hypothetical reason you had to sell that Valtro, what would you place the value at?

I am curious because I have never even seen one on gunbroker....Until now it has been more or less like the chupacabra :p

bc1023
November 13, 2012, 12:14 AM
I'm not sure. The last one on GB sold for $5500 I think. I believe it was unfired, just like mine. That was a couple years back.

Mine is still NIB. I took it out just to take a couple pics. I've got plenty of shooters, but the Valtro won't be shot.

allaroundhunter
November 13, 2012, 12:16 AM
When did you acquire that beautiful piece?

bc1023
November 13, 2012, 12:20 AM
Thanks

2009. I got it for $4500. :cool:

allaroundhunter
November 13, 2012, 12:26 AM
Well that seems like a great price on a gun that is serving as an even better investment! Congratulations on that fine piece of craftsmanship....if it isn't obvious, yes, I am a tad jealous :o

bc1023
November 13, 2012, 09:53 AM
Well that seems like a great price on a gun that is serving as an even better investment! Congratulations on that fine piece of craftsmanship....if it isn't obvious, yes, I am a tad jealous :o

Thanks for the kind words.

el Godfather
November 15, 2012, 10:35 PM
What seems to be the facination with wilson, I don't understand.

allaroundhunter
November 15, 2012, 11:25 PM
What seems to be the facination with wilson, I don't understand.

What don't you understand?

el Godfather
November 16, 2012, 03:49 AM
That its not just about 1911, because three other 1911s there as well.

tarosean
November 16, 2012, 06:26 AM
That its not just about 1911, because three other 1911s there as well.

Im guessing its actual feasibility?

The Nighthawk is unobtainium only 1 was "sold" to the public #5.
Paul's, while around the same price of a Wilson comes with 1-2yr wait.
The F/A's might as well not be listed since they not available to a citizen. Yes I know there are a few copies of the 93 in the registry, but no real Berettas that I know of.
The Astra is a wildcard, Not sure if there are any in the US or not???

So your left with the CZ, DW, Wilson and Sig....

el Godfather
November 18, 2012, 12:29 AM
Even DW Havoc is based upon 1911.

FIVETWOSEVEN
November 18, 2012, 03:09 AM
Not sure if there are any in the US or not???

I don't think el Godfather lives in the US going by his previous posts.

el Godfather
November 18, 2012, 05:21 AM
No I do not live in the US.

tacxted
November 18, 2012, 10:25 AM
a glock 18 would round out my pistol collection nicely.

vic bastige
November 18, 2012, 09:10 PM
This:
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k62/poleposition1/IMG_0871.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k62/poleposition1/IMG_1027.jpg

el Godfather
November 19, 2012, 06:48 AM
Which is this?

vic bastige
November 19, 2012, 08:53 AM
Les Baer TRS Hard-chrome with completely naked slide. Owned a Brown, MANY Colts and even a Springfield Pro. Still this is my favorite both in terms of form and function.

ATLDave
November 19, 2012, 09:25 AM
Beretta 93R. Not only are they not adding any to "the list" (and the list had very few to begin with), they were my favorite gun when I was a kid.

el Godfather
November 19, 2012, 11:20 AM
I am actually trying quite hard to find 93r.

Savage99
November 19, 2012, 09:38 PM
I never heard of any of those in the list. Expensive and rare?

Here is an old pistol that I have.

http://imageshack.us/a/img545/9289/woodsmandscn2713.jpg

Litlman
November 20, 2012, 06:27 AM
Sig 210.

el Godfather
November 20, 2012, 06:28 AM
You have not heard of Glock 18?

This is a nice pistol.... .22?

el Godfather
December 13, 2012, 12:02 PM
Recieved my DanWesson Hovoc today, but it's actually spelled HAVOK.

trigger is just to fine that I cant compare it to anything else

BigJimP
December 13, 2012, 12:17 PM
Wilson Combat .....hands down...no contest in my opinion.

I have a pair of Wilsons in my safe...and they are both in the top 5 guns in my safe.....( with a Sig X-Five L-1 model in .40S&W , a Freedom Arms revolver 4 3/4" large frame in .357 mag and a S&W model 27-2 4" in Nickel...) ...all 5 of them are great guns, different, but great guns !

bc1023
December 14, 2012, 08:18 AM
I have a Wilson Super Grade and I'll take my Pistol Dynamics Signature over it any day of the week.

They're great 1911s, no doubt, but ordinary compared to the best of the best. There's nothing rare about them either.

Fishbed77
December 14, 2012, 09:09 AM
If someone was to give me any of those guns, I'd have to pick the Glock 18C.

Then I could sell that hunk of junk and buy ever other gun on the list!

Corpral_Agarn
December 14, 2012, 10:41 AM
I voted the X-6 but not in "Scandic Blue"! I like the regular Stainless or Nitron finishes better.

tarosean
December 14, 2012, 12:16 PM
If someone was to give me any of those guns, I'd have to pick the Glock 18C.

Then I could sell that hunk of junk and buy ever other gun on the list!

Actually you couldn't buy a single thing on the list with the proceeds. Since there are just Post-May dealer samples here (LEO, FFL/SOT ONLY) the cost from Glock is quite cheap Ive seen ads from a few years ago with a 500 dollar price tag a unit cheap.

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/03/21/glock-18-yes-its-affordable-no-you-cant-personally-have-one/

Some samples pop up for around a grand. but the average citizen cannot own one.

hardluk1
December 14, 2012, 03:12 PM
You left out Les Baer

bc1023
December 14, 2012, 03:28 PM
You left out Les Baer

What's rare about a Les Baer? :confused:

Alnamvet68
December 14, 2012, 03:32 PM
I didn't vote since I consider the Colt M1911 WWI, and M1911A1 WWII repros expensive and quite rare, especially the ealier production WWI model which was finished in Carbonia Blue by www.ronsgunshop.com. I have one of each.

el Godfather
December 15, 2012, 03:41 AM
Here is my piece. Yet to fire it. Anyone else here has experience firing this? I just had a nic range session with 92Combat Combo, but I this might be better.

el Godfather
December 15, 2012, 03:43 AM
Another picture

56hawk
December 15, 2012, 09:19 AM
Here is my piece. Yet to fire it. Anyone else here has experience firing this?

Mine are are the older style SV. Pretty incredible guns though. Let me know how you like the sidewise C-more.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176200&d=1355580887

el Godfather
January 2, 2013, 11:46 PM
56hawk
Incredible line up you got there. Hats off to you.

Rinspeed
January 2, 2013, 11:51 PM
56hawk
Incredible line up you got there. Hats off to you.




Very much so.

meanmrmustard
January 3, 2013, 07:58 PM
I chose the CZ. Imo, it's the best of the best.
True dat. Forget the F/As and 1911s.

I'll take the racer.

1SOW
January 4, 2013, 01:25 AM
If I had the extra $2999.95, I'd already have the Czechmate. That gun competes in two classes. As an Open class 9mm Luger major power factor gun, it come with a C-Mor, high cap mags, and a tuned compensator. With no spring changes you can also compete in 9mm minor power factor comps like Steel Challenge still set up or using the regular sited and fitted extra bbl that also comes with gun. It'll run on plain jane wal-mart ammo or 1500'+/sec tuned handloads. Assorted spare parts are also included.

I've shot it and it's ready to run OOB. It also LOOKS great. :-)

Mr Hawk, I agree about the C-Mor. Remounting it might be a future project, but it shoots sweet as is.
The Tac Sport frame can be reduced under the beavertail and trigger guard to improve the "big frame" grip with no loss of strength or reliability.

LuvthatAK
January 4, 2013, 01:33 AM
I've got to go with the Korth and Beretta 93r. The Korth due to its rarity (which if Korth actually made a tactical model I'm unaware of it) and unique styling, and the 93r for its 3 rd burst setting. The Beretta comes with the folding foregrip and will accept a wire stock. Kinda reminds you of a Stechkin... now there's a pistol for the list.

LuvthatAK
January 4, 2013, 03:08 AM
How about the Steyr 1912?

readyeddy
January 4, 2013, 03:20 AM
Sig P210

56hawk
January 8, 2013, 02:33 PM
56hawk
Incredible line up you got there. Hats off to you.

Thanks, have you shot yours yet?

el Godfather
January 9, 2013, 11:31 PM
Just a magazine through it. Very very light trigger, reduced recoil, very smooth action and very accurate. Seems more so then my Beretta 92 Combo, Czechmate or X5; and the c-more mounted sideways seems to be working to better the accuracy results, but I need to shoot more to be certain.

el Godfather
January 11, 2013, 01:56 PM
Shot czechmate and havok side by side. Very difficult to decide which is better. Both are very good and offer the best- rest is up to the shooter's capabilities.

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