Ruger SR911 or Remington R1? What do you hate and like about them?


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Josh45
November 9, 2012, 01:23 AM
Yes, I did a search and one thread came up from last year. IIRC, The two pistols were new then. Seeing as it has been a little over a year, I would like to get opinions on them.

Of course, I am always open to options. How ever, I do have a few things I need it to be.

My price point being no higher than $700.
It has to be a .45 ACP.
I prefer adjustable sights, Not fixed.
Made in the USA.
Prefer 5' barrel

I know Rock Island makes a pretty decent 1911, But I am really leaning towards one of these two pistols. I have yet to see the Ruger SR 1911 at a LGS so I am going to have to call to see if anyone has one in stock.
And the fact that there USA made.

I know they have the Remington 1911 in.
The gun is going to be mainly a range gun. But would like for it to have potential because I would like to enter competition. I don't know if these pistols will do for competitions but I am fairly positive that a upgrade or two can help with that.

As for it being black or silver, I do like the stainless more but is not the default winner. What matters to me is quality, warranty and CS.
Yes, I know that if I went a few bucks more above $700, I could get a real good 1911. Sadly, That is the budget for now.

I have heard quite a bit of the quality of the Remington firearms not being so great. I do not own any so I cannot comment on that. I do how ever own a Ruger GP-100 and that thing can take a beating.

So far, The tid bit of reading I did on here and a search or two on google, Have been saying Ruger SR1911 all the way. My question to you THR is,

Which do you own?
Which do you prefer if you own both?
If you had one, and sold it, What was the reason?
Was it everything you expected it to be?
If you had to use CS, What was the issue and was it dealt with in proper way?


I can't think of any other questions but if you can think of any reasons why I should buy this one over that, Then please say it. I would like to make a informed decision about this. So far, I like the Remington R1 but am curious about the Ruger as well.

I know I said USA made but I am still open to other 1911 style pistols.
And thank you in advance, THR.

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taraquian
November 9, 2012, 01:57 AM
I bought the ruger and its great, twice the gun my old colt ever was. Accurate and will shoot ANYTHING, even steel case and aluminum. My Kimber/Springfield carrying buddy wants one now.

The R1 I shot was decent but it hung up (fte,ftfeed) at least once a mag. In its defense it was used so ?I waited 4 months for my Ruger and am very glad I did.

musicman10_1
November 9, 2012, 08:34 AM
I looked at both and considered buying one or the other for several months. I went with the Ruger and have no regrets. It is very accurate and feeds all of the ammo I have bought for it. It looks fantastic and the workmanship is great.

I think I will eventually get the Remington R1 Enhanced model.

daybreak
November 9, 2012, 11:58 AM
I was also looking at both and ended up with the ruger sr1911. I am very happy with mine.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/09/2ebyvehu.jpg

rule303
November 9, 2012, 12:06 PM
Both should be equally accurate and reliable. The Ruger has the Remington beat in fit and finish IMO. A lot of the R1's have some rough castings, and machine marks.

Skylerbone
November 9, 2012, 01:43 PM
Under $700 my first pick would be the STI Spartan. http://www.brazoscustom.com/sti_guns/sti_spartan.htm

Josh45
November 9, 2012, 02:54 PM
I'm gonna have to check at the LGS if they got one of those STI, there sexy!

KAS1981
November 9, 2012, 10:50 PM
The STI Spartan starts out as an Armscor (Rock Island) gun, and is tweaked on a little by STI. So, it's not 100% Made in USA.

I'd get the Ruger, no question. I just believe it to be a nicer, better-built gun.

TennJed
November 9, 2012, 11:00 PM
Love my R1

Remllez
November 9, 2012, 11:05 PM
I would buy the Ruger...The fitment on the SR is very good considering it's price. It seems they wear in quite well and shoot most any profile you load them with. Both seem fine for the hobby shooter and the prices are comparable.

Try to lay hands on both at the same time to be fair. I know both are 1911's but they feel much different to me. Plus I prefer the stainless finish with the black Novak sights and controls. Factor in Customer Service and the street price and it's a pretty good deal.

burk
November 9, 2012, 11:15 PM
The R1 is very much a slightly modernized GI model, cool gun but missing some key features, that I think are important in a 1911. The beavertail is much smaller and not near as form fitting, the ejection port is not as flared as much, and the safety is smaller and not as easily manipulated, the sights are standard GI without near as many options for replacement. I like the Remmingtons, especially the R1 Enhanced, but the Ruger is a better value than the standard R1.

Fishslayer
November 10, 2012, 12:27 AM
What I hate about the SR1911 is that I can't get my hands on one...:mad:

Skylerbone
November 10, 2012, 05:13 AM
The STI Spartan starts out as an Armscor (Rock Island) gun, and is tweaked on a little by STI. So, it's not 100% Made in USA.

No. STI contracts with Armscor for production of the Spartan. Armscor makes the frames and slides to STI's specifications. STI ships all small parts to Armscor and a small group of Armscor employees who were trained by STI assemble them. They bear little resemblance to the RIAs being built under the same roof, no more than a Springfield TRP resembles a Springfield GI model.

If compared to an RIA, picture buying that pistol, having the frame rails welded up for better fit, adding a first-rate fire control group with tool steel parts, an excellent thumb safety and slide stop, tuned trigger and useful, adjustable sights. Could you do all that for the $200 difference between them?

2bfree
November 10, 2012, 06:44 PM
Just bought it this morning so that tells ya what I think. So far what I see I like, hopefully no rain in the morning so I can see how it shootshttp://imageshack.us/a/img534/4773/ruger45.jpg

Drail
November 10, 2012, 07:23 PM
After examining several guns that I was permitted to tear down and seeing how Remington cuts the VIS on the frame - no thanks. I really don't think they have ever actually looked at a 1911 blueprint. (or don't believe it matters much) I also just read a thread on another forun where a person called Remington and asked where their 1911s are made and they would not answer that question. Top secret I guess.

Josh45
November 10, 2012, 08:24 PM
Wouldn't tell them where it was being built?
Err....Yeah....Top secret. Lets go with that. I wonder if I can find an SR 1911 around here....Plenty of R1 tho....

KAS1981
November 10, 2012, 08:29 PM
No. STI contracts with Armscor for production of the Spartan. Armscor makes the frames and slides to STI's specifications. STI ships all small parts to Armscor and a small group of Armscor employees who were trained by STI assemble them. They bear little resemblance to the RIAs being built under the same roof, no more than a Springfield TRP resembles a Springfield GI model.

Yeah, what I said. Still isn't a US-made gun.

*NOVA*
November 10, 2012, 08:45 PM
I like my Ruger. My Smith and Wesson is slighlty better made with fewer machine marks and a higher tolerances for fit. And it is a little more accuate; you can see a range report I did comparing the two. Look up "A Father's day Range Report" but the Ruger's pretty good considering I bought it for under $700.00. I expect the Ruger SR1911 to go to my grandchildren. I think it will retain its value many years from now.

Skylerbone
November 10, 2012, 10:12 PM
From the OP:
I know I said USA made but I am still open to other 1911 style pistols.

Then you:

The STI Spartan starts out as an Armscor (Rock Island) gun, and is tweaked on a little by STI.

Yeah, what I said. Still isn't a US-made gun.

I never represented the Spartan as Made in USA, I stated it would be my first choice under $700 and met the OP's criteria. Not anything you said but precisely what I said. A Cadillac XLR is still a GM...never to be confused with a Chevette.

rugerron67
November 10, 2012, 10:31 PM
I have one of the first run of the first 500 shipped of the ( Ruger SR1911.)
I have owned many 1911s over the years.
Ruger made a no nonsense series 70 1911 ( 100% made in the USA )
As Ruger advertises every thing you wont in a 1911,
And nothing you dont .

About the only thing I would like to change on the SR1911 is serrations on the front of the grip frame .

The Ruger has a 100% life time warranty for the Life of the firearm .

The Remington has a 2 year warranty for the original owner .
Nuf said .

WoodchuckAssassin
November 10, 2012, 11:03 PM
You canít go wrong with a 1911. I personally prefer all American Made guns, but Rock Island Armory (and all their importers) also make a fine product.

All that said Ė go with the Ruger. Why? Iím glad you asked!
- GREAT costumer service
- It is a VERY tight-fitted gun
- The Ruger comes with 2 magazines Ė one of which is 8-rounds, not something many companies do
- Itís all stainless steel (something I prefer, but you may not)

The R1 most likely shares many of these qualities, but my experience has solely been with the SR1911. 1000 rounds in, I canít imagine choosing anything over it. Happy Hunting!

Fishslayer
November 11, 2012, 02:14 AM
. I expect the Ruger SR1911 to go to my grandchildren. I think it will retain its value many years from now.

Few weeks ago an SR1911 showed up on a California WTS board @ $900. There was a line of four or five potential buyers pretty quickly.

TennJed
November 11, 2012, 02:58 AM
I have one of the first run of the first 500 shipped of the ( Ruger SR1911.)
I have owned many 1911s over the years.
Ruger made a no nonsense series 70 1911 ( 100% made in the USA )
As Ruger advertises every thing you wont in a 1911,
And nothing you dont .

About the only thing I would like to change on the SR1911 is serrations on the front of the grip frame .

The Ruger has a 100% life time warranty for the Life of the firearm .

The Remington has a 2 year warranty for the original owner .
Nuf said .

Actually Ruger has no warranty. They do stand behind their guns though

CABob
November 11, 2012, 03:09 AM
I've had it for about six months now and it runs smooth as can be. I love the look, the feel is great, and their service, should you ever need it, is superb. The gun shoots much better than I do, so I can't comment on accuracy.

CZ57
November 11, 2012, 04:52 AM
I don't own either but will probably buy an SR 1911. I like it very much and believe it offers more for the money than any 1911 in it's price class like the R1 or the Spartan. One thing I like in particular is that the plunger tube housing is cast integral to the frame. My shooting partner had a S&W Commander length Sc that we witnessed the plunger tube falling off of. Of course, S&W took care of it but it had to be returned to them rather than them shipping out a replacement. With the SR 1911, it wouldn't have happened. ;)

Mr.Revolverguy
November 11, 2012, 06:15 AM
Full detailed report of the SR1911
http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=1612

I also shot it in a ransom rest.
http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=1660

When I did this evaluation there were a lot of people saying it would break in and become loose, wouldn't shoot as well etc. Well I am just about to 500 rounds and within the next week or two I will be completing the 500 round review.

Hamish
November 11, 2012, 09:07 AM
I have a Ruger SR1911, and I too looked at many 1911s before purchasing the Ruger. I absolutely love it, and have had zero problems with it.

There are many things I like more about the Ruger. I do like the stainless steel finish, but that wasn't the most important thing. The Ruger is very accurate, and has flawlessly fired everything I've run through it, factory and reloads. I've been shooting IDPA with it for a few months, and I shoot better with this pistol than any other I have used. Ruger's customer service and factory warranty are far superior to Remington's - this isn't an opinion but absolute fact. Ask anyone.

Another fellow I shoot IDPA with has the Remington. I've shot his too, and we both like the Ruger better. The thumb safety is much easier to actuate, and we like the Ruger trigger more. His Remington has frequently jammed, with a failure to feed the most frequent problem. He frequently has to smack the back of the slide to get it to go into battery. Granted, he only shoots reloads. However, one night we collected all of his reloads that wouldn't feed well in the Remington, and then ran them through the Ruger. Every round fed and fired perfectly. The SR1911 is probably my favorite pistol.

Drail
November 11, 2012, 12:44 PM
Smacking the rear of a slide on a gun that has a live round in the chamber is.....not such a great idea. If it won't go into battery under its own power get it fixed. It will be much cheaper than repairing the broken bones in your hand.

g_one
November 11, 2012, 03:08 PM
My only complaint is surely cosmetic. I'm not a big fan of two-tone finishes on any guns, but especially 1911's. The only exception would maybe be the Kimber Eclipse. Ruger makes great guns though.

txgunsuscg
November 11, 2012, 04:58 PM
The plunger tube on my R1 was not installed correctly, it had a visible gap between the frame and tube towards the safety.
Haven't had any functional issues though, and I'm customizing it a bit now.

MachIVshooter
November 11, 2012, 05:59 PM
The standard R1 isn't meant to compete with the Ruger, S&W and others. It competes with the standard Colt Government model, the Auto Ordnance 1911, and the imported GI type guns from RIA and Springfield.

The R1 is a well made pistol that retains the form of the original M1911, but with a couple of important upgrades, like the lowered and flared port, stainless barrel and dovetailed big dot sights.

I picked one up for $650 a couple months ago, and I love it. It's reliable, accurate and has excellent fit & finish. It does shoot a tad low at 25 yards, but that is easily fixed with a different front sight and a drift punch.

The Rugers are good guns, but if you're looking at a GI type, they don't offer one. OTOH, the Ruger offers what the R1 enhanced does at a lower price point, so if you're looking for a more modern 1911, the SR1911 is probably the better bet.

Originally Posted by rugerron67
I have one of the first run of the first 500 shipped of the ( Ruger SR1911.)
I have owned many 1911s over the years.
Ruger made a no nonsense series 70 1911 ( 100% made in the USA )
As Ruger advertises every thing you wont in a 1911,
And nothing you dont .

About the only thing I would like to change on the SR1911 is serrations on the front of the grip frame .

The Ruger has a 100% life time warranty for the Life of the firearm .

The Remington has a 2 year warranty for the original owner .
Nuf said .
Actually Ruger has no warranty. They do stand behind their guns though

This. They're known for taking care of people, but they offer no express warranty. Per their website:

Firearms that are returned to Ruger for service are evaluated to determine if the service is to be provided at a fee or no-charge basis.

In other words, it's completely up to them whether you pay or not, no matter if the gun is 20 years old or 20 hours.

WCraven
November 11, 2012, 06:10 PM
I would love to get a Ruger myself but i guess don't don't build many.. i have looked at the Remington also but i am think the USA made Auto Ordnance 1911 will be my next purchase at $535

Jaymo
November 11, 2012, 07:05 PM
If Ruger made a 4.25" barreled SR1911 (Commander), I'd buy one in a heartbbeat
Especially, if they'd finish the whole gun with the black nitride finish that they use on the SR9.

Skylerbone
November 11, 2012, 07:06 PM
Txguns, fix your plunger tube before it disables your thumb safety. WCraven, I'd sooner see you and others looking for a GI style 1911 consider the offerings from Springfield Armory if you don't care for the Colt's price tag. They do make lots of Ruger 1911s, they're just catching up with the initial demand.

txgunsuscg
November 11, 2012, 09:26 PM
Txguns, fix your plunger tube before it disables your thumb safety. WCraven, I'd sooner see you and others looking for a GI style 1911 consider the offerings from Springfield Armory if you don't care for the Colt's price tag. They do make lots of Ruger 1911s, they're just catching up with the initial demand.
I did.

Then I did a bunch of other stuff (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=684829)to it....

handyman163
November 12, 2012, 05:05 PM
I have a Ruger SR1911, and my father has a Remington R1. I like the entire package on the Ruger - sights, trigger, thumb safety, beavertail, hammer, Series 70 with no internal firing pin safety. The R1 is a little lighter, and seemed to have a lighter recoil spring than the Ruger. The R1 sights seem to stick up higher and had a different sight picture that I didn't like as much as the Ruger. The Remington has a short trigger, whereas the Ruger has the long target trigger - so one may fit your hand better than the other.

The trigger pull on the Ruger is so much cleaner - no creep at all - and the overtravel is adjustable. The R1 has a nice trigger pull, but it seems longer and less crisp with no overtravel adjustment. The R1 is a series 80 gun, so disassembly is a little more complicated, whereas the Ruger is a Series 70 - simpler and that helps with trigger pull. The Ruger safety is also a very positive click to the ON or the OFF position - audible and tactile snap to either position.

I shot about 400 rounds of FMJ through my Ruger, then switched almost exclusively to lead semi-wadcutter reloads, and it has never failed to function. I've run about 2000 lead reloads through it since April and 100% with clean mags (cleaned every 200 rounds or so) sure is a testament to quality. I don't recall my father having any jams with his Remington R1, but that's with Chip McCormick mags, not the factory mags.

The Ruger also comes with better quality mags, I believe. They're made by Checkmate, and have a special follower and hybrid feed-lips. They've never choked on FMJ, JHP's, or swc's - 100% with everything.

StrutStopper
November 14, 2012, 04:27 PM
I handled the Remington R1 in my search for my first 1911. While I did like the feel of the gun I did want to check out a Ruger before purchasing anything. I sort of became obsessed with looking for a Ruger anywhere within driving distance but they were scarce. Rumors of local stock quickly became stories of you should have been here yesterday when it came in. I finally found one online for about $650 so I did snap it up and I do not regret it. While my 1911 experience is fairly limited I do love this gun and it has become my favorite gun to shoot.

Wil Terry
November 14, 2012, 04:56 PM
WHY....do we have to " hate " or "like" ?? A silly choice of words. ITSA damn machine boys, it cannot kiss you back.

Josh45
November 15, 2012, 02:46 PM
I have been calling around where I live and up to 60+ miles away.
No one has a Ruger SR1911 available. I called one more shop that I haven't been to a while and he tells me that the Ruger SR1911 is having a manufacturer defects AKA recalls and this is the reason why not one get one. He said he is also been on the waiting list for 6-7 months.

Can anyone confirm the manufacturer defect AKA recall thing?
Heck, He even told me to go check out budsgunshop but I rather buy in person.

My brother owned a RIA Tactical and got to say it was a pretty good shooting gun got $450. I was suppose to it off him but it never happened. I have been thinking about the RIA line and I have seen the Citadel line to and thinking they may be a nice piece to add.

I would really rather have something made in the USA but I am not dead set against it. Shops around here telling me what they have in stock is Colt, Kimber, Springfield, Taurus ETC. These two guns the Remington and Ruger were the ones I really wanted to check about tho....And so far, It looks like I can only get the Remington around here.

And yes, I prefer adjustable sights. I am noy "nostalgic" and going after the GI models.

2bfree
November 15, 2012, 03:45 PM
Josh45. I had the same problem in my area, called 5 different places and got 5 different stories, they could order it but probably won't get it. I called Ruger and asked them what the problem was and was told no problem. He asked me for my zip code then gave me the name and phone # for two places within 25 miles. I called the first one and they had 3 in stock and expecting more on the weekend, that was last week. I went in Saturday and bought one.
So you might call Ruger, good luck !

PS: shot it for the first time today, I really like it. Now I need to get some dies so I can afford to shoot it.

Josh45
November 15, 2012, 05:02 PM
2bFree,
Thank you very much for that info. I appreciate it. And wouldn't you know it> The LGS 2-3 blocks from me got one in just yesterday and he is asking $749 for it. Beautiful pistol. I was a bit surprised to see he had a Remington R1 in stainless as well there for the same price.

The blued version is $649. Other than finish, The Ruger has a few more bells and whistles out the box and if I could find it for the price of the Remington @ $649, Im pretty sure that is what I would buy....

2bfree
November 15, 2012, 05:19 PM
I paid 619.00 plus tax (9.5)

TennJed
November 15, 2012, 06:31 PM
paid $659 shipped for a stainless Remington a few months back from bud's

g_one
November 15, 2012, 10:43 PM
I had a chance to fondle an R1 today. In almost every respect it was just another 1911, except for the trigger. The trigger was absolutely amazing, perfect break and and weight in factory config.

Rugerspyderon
November 16, 2012, 09:18 PM
I like my Ruger. Shot a guys competition Colt Gold with my hand load and mine was close to as accurate. I am sure his had been improved by a gunsmith. I have only made two changes. I got the black Ruger wood grip panels and had a gunsmith put an Ed Brown beaver tail on because the shape of the Ruger one has points on the side and stabbed my hand when gripping. This one is wider and uniformly shaped like a tongue.

KAS1981
November 17, 2012, 10:41 PM
Looked at two R1's today. A stainless & a black one.

The stainless had the same issue that most R1's I've seen exhibit. The slide hangs up and stops about 1/4" short of going in to battery. If you just sling shot the thing, it will slam home, but if you're just doing something like checking the chamber, it happens every time.

rodinal220
November 18, 2012, 09:36 AM
Ruger all the way.A lot of 1911 for the money. I see a lot of the Filipino re-brands in the 500-550 range and for 600-650 I would get the Ruger.

DammitBoy
December 11, 2012, 02:29 PM
I liked my Ruger SR1911 so much...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8076/8264559062_a4ebb706a3_z.jpg

I got a second one.

jacob2745
December 11, 2012, 05:47 PM
I believe with your criteria a Springfield Range Officer would be almost perfect. Im not positive but it may be a shade over your budget. If it is, it isn't by much. I bought mine LNIB $700 OTD.

gb6491
December 11, 2012, 08:06 PM
DammitBoy,
That's a nice pair:):)

KAS1981 Looked at two R1's today. A stainless & a black one.

The stainless had the same issue that most R1's I've seen exhibit. The slide hangs up and stops about 1/4" short of going in to battery. If you just sling shot the thing, it will slam home, but if you're just doing something like checking the chamber, it happens every time.
That certainly has not been the case with my R1S:
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Regards,
Greg

CABob
December 12, 2012, 01:54 AM
I love my SR 1911. Feels great, recoil is smooth, shoots better than I do, and is reliable. I have used Ruger CS before and they were nice, prompt and got my gun back ahead of schedule. Plus the stainless finish is beautiful. I have about 2500 rounds through it and its like butter...

KAS1981
December 12, 2012, 07:56 PM
Nice to see yours operates correctly.

Not sure why the ones I've handled had that issue, but they do. If I were in the market for an R1, I'd just buy one that was smooth like yours.

Currently my LGS has two R1's--a stainless and a black version. The stainless slide hangs up, the black one is smooth as glass.

orionengnr
December 12, 2012, 08:10 PM
I have been on my LGS's list for a Ruger SR1911 since they came out almost three years ago. That's okay, I have a few 1911s, so it's not the end of the world. If I wanted to pay $700+ (or $800+) for one, I could have gone that route.

Just saw my first one in the flesh at the gun show last weekend...it was priced somewhere above $800, so I took a glance and moved along.
Looked every bit as good in person as it does in pictures.

I have seen a bunch of the R1s and they don't impress me at all.

grptelli
December 12, 2012, 08:10 PM
As a lefty I wish either had an ambi safety. That would be great for us lefty's.


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DammitBoy
December 12, 2012, 08:54 PM
I have been on my LGS's list for a Ruger SR1911 since they came out almost three years ago. If I wanted to pay $700+ (or $800+) for one, I could have gone that route.



I gave up waiting and bought the first one for $780.00 in trade + cash. Then I found my second one for $550.00 - so that kinda evens things out.

Right? :uhoh:

orionengnr
December 12, 2012, 09:24 PM
I wonder if Remington is now learning the stainless steel galling lessons S&W learned in the 70s...

gb6491
December 12, 2012, 11:22 PM
I wonder if Remington is now learning the stainless steel galling lessons S&W learned in the 70s...
I haven't heard or read anything of this being an issue with the R1S.
Any sources that you would like to share?
Regards,
Greg

TennJed
December 13, 2012, 12:09 AM
Nice to see yours operates correctly.

Not sure why the ones I've handled had that issue, but they do. If I were in the market for an R1, I'd just buy one that was smooth like yours.

Currently my LGS has two R1's--a stainless and a black version. The stainless slide hangs up, the black one is smooth as glass.

My stainless R1 slide operates with no issues. Love the gun BTW

3leggeddog
December 13, 2012, 01:35 PM
A friend gave me a half box of lfn .45 handloads and the local range has had a SR911 for about 5 months. While loading the gun , I see the most dirty -BLACK insides I've ever seem ! It was so bad I didnt think it load or shoot, it ran great + shot good groups!!! The rage owner says "We dont clean any range guns untill they quit working" lol lol I believe him!!!

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