Can two legal guns get you in heap big trouble?


November 10, 2012, 09:51 PM
Let's say you have two perfectly legal firearms based on Federal, state and local laws.

However, parts for one gun could be used to turn the other into an illegal gun.

For example, Rifle A has a 20" barrel and a relatively short stock, but the overall length is 26.5" (unlikely, but humor me). Rifle B has a 16.5" barrel and a relatively long stock, for an overall length of 26.5". Putting the stock from A on Rifle B would give an overall length of less than 26 inches.

Is the owner in trouble merely for possessing both guns?

Another example, NJ does not allow semi-auto shotguns with a magazine capable of holding more than 6 shells. What if you have a 4 shot magazine on your semi-auto shotgun and a 3 shot extension on your pump and the extension would fit on your semi-auto?

BTW, this does not apply to any of my guns, but I am wondering if it has come up in any reported cases.

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Jim K
November 10, 2012, 10:12 PM
In the Thompson Center case, the Supreme Court said, in effect, that even where a violation is possible, the presumption has to be of innocence unless a violation has actually occurred. So as long as the rifles in your first example stay in their stocks and don't go off running around and jumping into another rifle's bed, things are OK and morals preserved.

The same would be true of the shotguns.

Now sleep tight and quit thinking up silly scenarios.

Jim ;)

November 10, 2012, 10:15 PM
unless a violation has actually occurred

I think in NJ the rule says to possess parts from which an assault weapon (or maybe a machine gun) can be assembled, or something like that.

Now sleep tight and quit thinking up silly scenarios.

I sleep well because brave men and women wearing various uniforms step up to the line every day to protect me and my family.

November 10, 2012, 10:15 PM
now sleep tight and quit thinking up silly scenarios


dogtown tom
November 10, 2012, 10:19 PM
Yes, it's a Federal crime.

As is owning a saw that would allow you to chop that barrel to less than legal length.

While a saw by itself is completely legal, owning any rifle or shotgun AND a saw is "prima facetious evidencia" ( thats the legal term) that the owner intends to saw his barrel below legal length.

Similiarly, owning a hangun and having wood floors is also illegal, as it allows you to manufacture a shoulder stock for that handgun....illegal without an SBR tax stamp.

ATF has arrested and imprisoned thousands for owning handguns and wood floors....they keep them in those FEMA concentration camps.

November 10, 2012, 10:23 PM
Have some mercy.
I live in a state where someone was convicted of knowingly possessing a Marlin 60:

dogtown tom
November 10, 2012, 10:51 PM
Mercy has nothing to do with your question.
Every week you post hypothetical questions regarding firearms law.....and some of them are downright silly.

New Jersey has terrible firearm laws. Asking "what if" questions won't fix that.
If you take the advice and responses you are given here on THR you are a fool. You need to speak to an attorney versed in New Jersey law.

Still Shooting
November 10, 2012, 11:56 PM
What you have to do is, get the Heck out of New Jersey! As already stated, the gun laws there are an abomination.

November 11, 2012, 10:09 AM
What you have to do is, get the Heck out of New Jersey! As already stated, the gun laws there are an abomination.
This is a catch 22 situation. Leaving the state is the most logical clear cut path. And gun owners have done just that, left the state in droves over the decades.

That presents a problem, with less gun owners, there are less people voting for politicians who will stand up for their rights, and as such there are less politicians who have a PRO 2 A stance. Less gun owners means the state can enact draconian gun laws that will sail through both houses and get signed into law. Even Republican Governor Christie has said he is against shall issue conceal carry permits, because "NJ is special".

It isn't just the gun laws that make it unbearable in NJ. It is the taxes, $10,000 to $15,000 a year for property taxes. Housing, $450,000 for a house that would cost $100,000 - $150,00 in most other places in the country.

The congestion, sitting in traffic for a hour daily. It is a highly regulated state, in some towns you need a permit to put up a bird house in your backyard according to one post on a NJ gun forum. Smoking a cigarette in city park costs $1,000 if caught in some towns. The Turnpike and Parkway are toll roads which run from North to South, a daily hour or two commute on either one amounts to several hundred dollars at the end of the year.

The media is heavily anti-gun, NJ newspapers and their sites are notoriously against anyone who is for conceal carry. Anti-gun organizations such as Cease-Fire NJ are very well established and funded. Already the state has a one (handgun) per month limit, the state NICS is CLOSED on State holidays and Sundays...(Can anyone say infringement?). Adding to the insult, an $18 state NICS fee is added onto every firearm transaction.

Lets face it, people can be intimidated having to go to the police station, getting fingerprinted, going through an onerous, invasive and extensive background check, need references (including references from your employer in some towns) , pay $100 in fees and wait 3 months, 6 months or up to 9 months to get the FID card in order to buy a simple .22 cal rifle. Maybe the process has intimidated many from owning a firearm in NJ, maybe the planners of the insidious Firearms ID Card law back in 1966 saw that and designed it that way...

Some have wondered if NJ did have good gun laws, would people still be able to afford to stay in that state that has $10,000 to $15,000 in yearly property taxes on a fixed income?

Why bother fighting the system when moving out is an easier option...but unfortunately that is not helping keeping the PRO 2A base in the state. So what is the answer?

Art Eatman
November 11, 2012, 10:42 AM
People have been moving toward better locales and lives for thousands of years. Why stop now?

And enough unlikely hypothets for a Sunday.

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