Load data for .40S&W


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LightningMan
November 10, 2012, 11:28 PM
I'm have touble finding a load for .40 S&W using 180gr TC lead bullets, with Winchester 231 powder. Don't need any to limit loads, but don't want any wimpy load either. Just a nice middle of road target load. Any suggestions of what you have had good luck with? Thanks, LM.

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jim8115
November 10, 2012, 11:33 PM
4.5 W231 with a 180 Grain plated gives about 820FPS from my xd 40

JIM

918v
November 11, 2012, 12:04 AM
http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt40sw.htm

gamestalker
November 11, 2012, 12:34 AM
231 is not going to be an ideal powder for a middle of the road load using a heavy bullet like that. That's a fast burning powder and will work fine for loading very low velocity loads, but it will get very spikey if you attempt to drive a 180 gr. at mid range velocities.

GS

918v
November 11, 2012, 12:44 PM
Not true at all.

Walkalong
November 11, 2012, 04:17 PM
I have to agree, W-231 is pretty well behaved, and very versatile.

bds
November 11, 2012, 06:15 PM
231 is not going to be an ideal powder for a middle of the road load using a heavy bullet like that. That's a fast burning powder and will work fine for loading very low velocity loads, but it will get very spikey if you attempt to drive a 180 gr. at mid range velocities.
Not true at all.
I have to agree, W-231 is pretty well behaved, and very versatile.
+1. When I switched my match caliber from 45ACP/9mm to 40S&W, I tested 180/165/155 gr bullets using Bullseye, Clays, Titegroup, WST, W231/HP-38, Universal, WSF and HS-6 to make USPSA major/minor power factor loads. Many shooters, including myself, made successful major/minor PF loads using faster burning than Universal that were very accurate. If you check on Brian Enos forum, faster burn rate powders are still very popular with match shooters - http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=131848&#entry1485055

For new reloaders to 40S&W, I usually recommend W231/HP-38 for mid-to-high range target loads as it tends to build less chamber pressures and do not bulge the cases compared to other powders while still producing accurate shot groups. W231/HP-38 also tends to produce less snappy recoil than other faster burn rate powders.

For full power loads, I usually suggest Unique/Universal or slower burning powders.

bds
November 11, 2012, 07:01 PM
I'm have touble finding a load for .40 S&W using 180gr TC lead bullets, with Winchester 231 powder. Don't need any to limit loads, but don't want any wimpy load either. Just a nice middle of road target load.
Since there's no current published lead load data for 40S&W from Winchester/Hodgdon, when I worked up Missouri 40S&W lead bullets in 180/170/155/140 bullets weights, I referenced older Winchester lead load data and Lyman #49.

This is 2003 Winchester load data showing 4.0 gr start and 5.2 gr max charges for W231 and 170 gr lead bullet loaded to 1.135" OAL (although load data did not specify nose profile, it probably was TC design)
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=174583&stc=1&d=1352678053


Lyman #49 listed 4.3 gr start and 5.8 gr max charges for W231 and 175 gr lead bullet loaded to 1.125" OAL.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=174584&stc=1&d=1352678077

However, because Lyman technicians used .401" groove diameter test barrel for 40S&W pressure testing using .401" sized lead bullets, I typically decrease the start/max charges when using .400" groove diameter barrels.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=174585&stc=1&d=1352678077

For Missouri 18 BHN 180 gr TCFP bullet (IDP #5 (http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=79&category=5&secondary=11&keywords=)) at 1.120"-1.125" OAL, I used 3.8 gr of W231/HP-38 as my start charge and worked up to 4.2 gr initially and then to 4.4 gr with good results without leading in G22/G27 using Lone Wolf barrels. If you are looking for range practice/plinking loads just to punch paper, 3.8-4.0 gr loads reliably cycled the slides in M&P40/G22/G23/G27-LW barrels.

eam3clm@att.net
November 11, 2012, 08:22 PM
Lyman #49 lists two different lead bullets seated at two different lengths. I primary load with the lee 175 tc bullet seated at 1.098+- with 4.5 grains of HP-38. I made it up to 4.8 grains without pressure signs. The 4.8 load has more felt recoil, but I dont have my notes handy to quote my velocity.

LightningMan
November 11, 2012, 08:25 PM
Thanks everyone for your input, I own thoughts were to use about 4.2 to 4.4 grs. From what I'm hearing this should be within the safe zone, but will start on the lower side. Thanks again. LM

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