Best choice for emergency, social unrest, etc... GLock? Ruger? S&W?


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Kymasabe
November 11, 2012, 06:27 PM
I'm not a doomsdayer or zombie hunter. But, was wondering, if there was some natural disaster that affected national infrastructure and there was civil unrest, what sidearm would I want at my side.
I'm a big fan of some of the S&W's I've had, especially the CS9 I just had to get rid of for financial reasons (and can't buy back, darn it!). Also had good luck with Ruger SR9c, was a nice gun I shot well. But, am thinking, there are probably more Glocks in America than any other handgun, huge aftermarket support, and if things ever got all pear shaped, probably a large market for parts and used Glocks. Reliable, simple, easy to break down and clean.
Problem is, they don't point naturally for me and I don't shoot them particularly well. But, from a practical point of view, the handgun as a tool to protect yourself and family, is there a better choice than a Glock or choices as good as a Glock?

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hmphargh
November 11, 2012, 06:37 PM
I'd argue that the best one for you is the one that you have that is accurate, reliable and you can shoot well.

CZ57
November 11, 2012, 06:42 PM
With the remote chance that it could occur, I will be carrying the SA XDm 4.5 in .45 ACP. 14 rounds of .45 ACP, 17 rounds in .40 S&W and 20 rounds in 9mm. That's just the capacity issue. Then there are thing like full support of the casehead in all calibers, relieved ejection ports which Glocks don't come with and the conventionally rifled Match Grade barrels so you won't have issues shooting cast lead loads like the 200 gr. SWC load that I shoot a lot of. The XDm and the M&P are both newer and better designs compared to the Glock. The front slide rails are incorporated into the solid locking block like the SIG/Sauer P-22X series and use the same camming design and the locking block is removable from the frame. The XDms are tackdrivers. For my money it is the best polymer framed pistol made today! ;)

Plan2Live
November 11, 2012, 06:44 PM
Keeping this focused solely on the pros and cons of certain firearms based on scarce or non-existant resupply and I would say you would want the most common firearm you could find in the most common caliber. Discussing any other variables will shut down the thread.

Jaymo
November 11, 2012, 06:44 PM
Harrier jump-jet, or Bell Super Cobra.

mljdeckard
November 11, 2012, 06:47 PM
I don't know why you would want to carry anything different than your regular defensive arms.

jmr40
November 11, 2012, 06:50 PM
The one you have. I have a preference for Glocks, but could make most any work. Ruger would be a strong contender as well.

sidheshooter
November 11, 2012, 06:52 PM
6946. No reason, other than I like 3rd gen S&Ws and trust them; plus 9mm can be found anywhere and carried easily.

W.E.G.
November 11, 2012, 06:52 PM
S&W Model 10 FTW.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/movies/viggomortensonroad.jpg

Your kids will still be using it when you are worm food.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/movies/roadkidmodel10.jpg

Nico Testosteros
November 11, 2012, 06:59 PM
Gatling.

Vonderek
November 11, 2012, 07:43 PM
Whatever you have already as long as it's reliable and you have spare mags and springs (and of course ammo). If you're looking to buy something you couldn't do much better than Glock for the purposes you are describing. Reliable and parts and mags are plentiful and cheap. Since the scenarios you describe precludes just going down to the store or going online to buy mags/parts it would be easier to find Glock items in your locale.

481
November 11, 2012, 07:56 PM
But, am thinking, there are probably more Glocks in America than any other handgun, huge aftermarket support, and if things ever got all pear shaped, probably a large market for parts and used Glocks. Reliable, simple, easy to break down and clean.

That's always been one of the reasons that I like the Glocks. Their easy to learn to do a detail strip on 'em with nothing more than a 3/16ths punch and re-assembly is a cinch.

Problem is, they don't point naturally for me and I don't shoot them particularly well. But, from a practical point of view, the handgun as a tool to protect yourself and family, is there a better choice than a Glock or choices as good as a Glock?

They didn't point well for me in the beginning, but I adapted over time. Second nature now. You can too, if you try.

Of course there are good guns other than Glock. XDs, M&Ps, USPs, etc.

PabloJ
November 11, 2012, 08:11 PM
My friend says the only brass on the ground would be either 9x19 or .38 special.

Devonai
November 11, 2012, 08:14 PM
Any modern pistol with a few serviceable magazines is likely to last far longer than even the most lurid scenarios. If not, then what you have on you in the beginning will be completely irrelevant.

ku4hx
November 11, 2012, 08:22 PM
The one you shoot the best, i.e. the most powerful and reliable one you can shoot accurately and consistently.

Having lived through two "emergency" situations, I can tell you without a doubt a handgun is now nothing more than a "purchasing agent" for me. Buys me time to get my shotgun or battle rifle. Same for the wife since she's had the same experiences I have.

Kymasabe
November 11, 2012, 08:49 PM
Pablo brings up an intesting point, and if his friend is to be believed, 9mm and .38 special is going to be the most readily available ammo around?
.40 cal is real popular with police departments and .45 has been around for ever, I'm surprised they're not considered as popular. As someone mentioned earlier, a S&W Model 10 revolver would work as well, simple, reliable, but I'd think would be harder to find parts for if needed.

If something like solar flares take out power grid and society comes to a grinding halt, no trucking, no manufacturing, I'd love to think Ruger and S&W would have a stockpile of parts if needed and there'd be someway to get them if needed, but...I still bet Glock would be easier to find parts for.

So, if GLock is the right tool for the job. I'm thinking maybe...G19 3rd gen?

WinThePennant
November 11, 2012, 08:59 PM
In a total SHTF/TEOTWAWKI event, I think Glock will be the pistol that outlasts all others. The darn things run almost forever with little to no TLC, and they are the simplest things in the world to work on. Have some spare parts, or some cannibal guns, and you have a sidearm that will last longer than you will.

The other thing I like is that they have interchangeable mags within the same caliber. My Glock 26 can handle any 9mm Glock mag. A lot of people say that the Glock 17 or Glock 19 is the way to go. I disagree. A 17 won't take 19 or 26 mags. A 19 won't take 26 mags. A 26 takes THEM ALL.

For the reasons above, I proclaim the Glock 26 to be the premier SHTF/TEOTWAWKI handgun. :)

Kymasabe
November 11, 2012, 09:42 PM
Interesting point about the 26. I can't shoot a 26 worth a darn without the pinky rest. AM wondering though, do they make a grip extension if using a mag from a 19 or 17 in a 26?

TEAM101
November 11, 2012, 09:47 PM
And it is just as simple to cut down a 17 or 19. Since the world would be ending and all, the resale value wouldn't be a factor:-)

Kymasabe
November 11, 2012, 11:13 PM
I'm diggin' the 26 idea. I can use a stock mag with a pinky rest for CCW and a 19 or 17 mag with a grip extension for the range or at home.
I think I've just about made up my mind. Thank you all for your input.

RBid
November 11, 2012, 11:33 PM
Any handgun that you can commit to carrying concealed every day, and is also duty-capable. There are a bunch of 'right answers' that fit this criteria.

Ash
November 12, 2012, 07:35 AM
Well, we did go through that with Katrina in South Mississippi - the eye wall passed over head and we were without power/gas for weeks.

I thought I would carry my CZ-75 but ended up being more comfortable with my Witness 45acp. Regardless of opinion on caliber size, I was more comfortable (psychologically) with the bigger bore. I wore the 45 one day in the immediate wreckage of the storm but folks in my town are more civilized and there were no problems. Everybody was too busy cleaning up/cutting trees to waste time looting or shooting, so on day two, the pistol was put away.

The Tanfoglio has never failed me, is solid, and so has earned my trust. I discovered it really matters little what make you have as long as you trust it. My steel-framed pistols are as rugged and reliable as any poly-frame pistol - especially considering the relative short periods the arm would be needed.

ku4hx
November 12, 2012, 09:00 AM
AM wondering though, do they make a grip extension if using a mag from a 19 or 17 in a 26?
Yep, A&G and Promag make 'em. I have several of both brands (use G19 mags in G26 and G23 mags in G27) and they work well. Locked them in place with the little set screw and I get no finger pinching.

With the sleeves in place, the subcompacts don't feel exactly like the compacts, but the difference is insignificant.

JERRY
November 12, 2012, 09:11 AM
a Smith & Gaston, or a Glock & Wesson. take your pick.

rodinal220
November 12, 2012, 09:13 AM
Glock 17/19.The G19 is the most popular in the line with the full size 17 a close second. Glocks are easy to repair and the parts do not cost too much.Most common repairs would not need special tooling. They are very reliable and have a pretty good track record. 9mm is common and easy to get. 9mm ball is the cheapest center fire pistol ammo out there and can be stockpiled without breaking the piggy bank.

Kymasabe
November 12, 2012, 09:48 AM
Now I just need to find myself a nice clean used G3 trade in.

psyopspec
November 12, 2012, 10:19 AM
Good luck with your doomsday preparations, don't get hit by pieces of falling sky.

In the meantime, if you would like to be able to shoot a baby Glock without any hardware, spend some time with Hickok 45. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wHUEwWmklE at about the 18:00 mark he talks about shooting with extended mags by taking the pinky out of the equation, which he also does with the flush fit ones.

ATLDave
November 12, 2012, 10:35 AM
The best handgun for any reasonably forseeable and survivable circumstance is the gun that you shoot best and is reliable. If you're in survival mode, you aren't going to be shooting up your ammo for fun or practice. You will never get to combat shoot a pistol enough to wear it out... you're not going to survive 1000 rounds of handgun combat as a solo/family survivalist unit. And you'll almost assuredly starve or die of water-borne disease long before you die of combat.

In short, you may enjoy this question as a thought exercise. But it would be the height of folly to give ANY weight to such considerations when buying a pistol.

greenlion
November 12, 2012, 10:46 AM
Buy whatever handgun you need for concealed carry on a normal day, or home defense at night, and stop watching prepper TV shows. Your normal home defense handgun will also serve during a crisis situation.

Fiv3r
November 12, 2012, 12:07 PM
One of the main reasons I love my G26 is that it accepts all 9mm Glock mags. I shoot it better than any other 9mm I had in my stable. I shoot it so well, in fact, that I liquidated a couple of 9mm pistols simply because they were never going to get shot.

I bought the 26 to conceal it, but I fell in love with it because I could shoot it better than any other pistol I own.

As a do it all, it's very hard to find a better pistol in an emergency than any of the 9mm Glock family. They aren't the most comfortable and they aren't the most accurate, but for a combat firearm shot at combat ranges and potentially ridden hard and put away quite literally wet they hard to beat...or rather, hard to beat to death.

I've recently jumped on the 100+ year old 1911 bandwagon. If you made me pick a gun that not only shot well but that would be easy to find magazines and parts for (as well as be a formidable bludgeon), the old warhorse would be up there. However, they just don't run and run and run like the Austrian Tupperware. In short, the 1911 would tag along until it ran dry or became too heavy. I'm not ever dropping the 26.

easyg
November 12, 2012, 04:44 PM
Also had good luck with Ruger SR9c, was a nice gun I shot well. But, am thinking, there are probably more Glocks in America than any other handgun, huge aftermarket support, and if things ever got all pear shaped, probably a large market for parts and used Glocks. Reliable, simple, easy to break down and clean.
Problem is, they don't point naturally for me and I don't shoot them particularly well. But, from a practical point of view, the handgun as a tool to protect yourself and family, is there a better choice than a Glock or choices as good as a Glock?
What do you expect from a Glock that you're not getting with your Ruger?

smallbore
November 12, 2012, 05:11 PM
My Gen3 Glock 19.

FIVETWOSEVEN
November 12, 2012, 05:25 PM
Any reliable sidearm that works. I would be more concerned about a rifle more than anything.

Baba Louie
November 12, 2012, 05:52 PM
Best choice for emergency, social unrest, etc... Glock? Ruger? S&W? Whichever one you have on or near you when things get agly, along with plenty of spare ammunition to see you through the emergency and back to the daily norm.
...is there a better choice than a Glock or choices as good as a Glock? Everyone has their favorite. Might be a BHP, CZ, Springfield or Colt or ? (pick one... who knows, maybe even a lowly 5 shot J frame?)

ATBackPackin
November 12, 2012, 06:19 PM
Any reliable sidearm that works. I would be more concerned about a rifle more than anything.
I concur. I would also be more worried about providing food, water, shelter, and medical supplies for my family more than finding spare parts for my sidearm.

BSA1
November 12, 2012, 06:40 PM
The O.P.'s question is biased several ways.

First he suggests that it is necessary to have dedicated handgun for emergencies, etc. that is more reliable, better quality than what you may use daily.

Second he totally excludes revolvers and their advantages over semi-autos.

Third he places the Glock over all over handguns. I realize that Glocks have a cult following but there are many other handguns that are just as good or better quality and reliablity.

WinThePennant
November 12, 2012, 06:47 PM
The O.P.'s question is biased several ways.

First he suggests that it is necessary to have dedicated handgun for emergencies, etc. that is more reliable, better quality than what you may use daily.

Second he totally excludes revolvers and their advantages over semi-autos.

Third he places the Glock over all over handguns. I realize that Glocks have a cult following but there are many other handguns that are just as good or better quality and reliablity.
There are a lot of great guns out there, but you have to admit that Glock has some very nice advantages over other guns. Other than their supreme reliability, they are probably the easiest guns to work on. Every man a gunsmith when it comes to Glocks. Buy a couple parts kits, and you should be good-to-go. Throw in mag interchangeability and you have a hard to beat SHTF/TEOTWAWKI hand gun.

FIVETWOSEVEN
November 12, 2012, 07:22 PM
Second he totally excludes revolvers and their advantages over semi-autos.

Semi auto advantages are more than a revolvers, why do you think no Police Department issues them as a main sidearm for duty use?

I concur. I would also be more worried about providing food, water, shelter, and medical supplies for my family more than finding spare parts for my sidearm.

Probably find spare sidearms too! :D

Ash
November 12, 2012, 09:18 PM
And since police departments began issuing autos over revolvers, the numbers of rounds fired by police to no effect have risen dramatically. I'm not sure what advantage the police have really achieved with autos other than spray and pray.

Pilot
November 12, 2012, 09:29 PM
Harrier jump-jet, or Bell Super Cobra.

You must be a Marine. :D

Jaymo
November 12, 2012, 10:41 PM
Nope. Not a Marine. But they have some great toys. If the poo hit the fan, I'd rather have a combat jet or chopper than any handgun.
Either one of my suggestions would take care of any zombies I may run into.

Pistols are terrible combat weapons.

TimboKhan
November 12, 2012, 11:05 PM
Allrighty. I am going to lock this one on account of our long-standing policy of not entertaining SHTF threads.

But, let me address the question first. It's just my opinion, but use whatever your most comfortable with. Selecting a gun specifically for emergencies, that you are not comfortable with, isn't great planning.

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