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Ex
November 11, 2012, 10:43 PM
Looking for input from anyone experienced with Longshot powder, particularly in pistols.

Show some pretty good data for 180 gn in .40 and 10mm, and even in .45.

Just never used it and looking for input. It's gotta meter better than my 800x!!!

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ArchAngelCD
November 11, 2012, 11:15 PM
IMO Longshot is the best 40 S&W or 10mm powder around.

I have also used Longshot for .38 Special +P ammo and it's real good in high end 124gr 9mm ammo but 40 S&W/10mm is where it shines.

Walkalong
November 11, 2012, 11:27 PM
It is good for high velocity loads with some calibers, and is popular for that, but they should have named it Loudshot.

Ex
November 11, 2012, 11:28 PM
Love to hear it!

How does it meter and burn?

Have traditionally used Unique in my .40 and 800x in my 10mm but looking to get away from both.

Lerk
November 12, 2012, 12:02 AM
Meters like water. Not too dirty of a powder, but that seems to depend on how light/heavy the load is in my experience.

ArchAngelCD
November 12, 2012, 12:08 AM
Love to hear it!

How does it meter and burn?

Have traditionally used Unique in my .40 and 800x in my 10mm but looking to get away from both.
You will like Longshot a lot more than either Unique or 800X. Longshot meters much better than either too. (but like said above, it is loud)

Ex
November 12, 2012, 12:23 AM
Great info guys! Thanks as always! Pick up some on the way home tomorrow.

Clark
November 12, 2012, 12:24 AM
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I have worked up to case failure with 200 gr in 10mm. Nothing to write home about.
I have worked up to case failure with 200 gr in 40sw. Nothing to write home about.
I have worked up to case full with 9x19 with 158 gr, no big deal.
I have worked up to case full with 9x23 with 147 gr and 158 gr no big deal.
I have worked up to case failure 124 gr in 357 Sig, nothing to write home about.
I split the cylinder or a 38 special 158 gr. no big deal.
I split the cylinder and broke the frame on another 38 special 158 gr. High speed Shcrapnel.
I split the cylinder and top strap on a 32 S&W long 85 gr. No big deal.
I worked up to case failure in 7.62x25mm with 110 gr. No big power.
I know there was a light bullet 38 Super load that I got less and less velocity with more and more powder, but I can't find it right now.

I am done with the powder.
It looks good in data books, but it never puts out the power of Power Pistol.
I have never come close to finding a useful load with Longshot. It just can't compete with Power Pistol, despite what load books say.

Jay/kEC2/10
November 12, 2012, 12:39 AM
This place is great. I was getting ready to load Nosler 180's and thought I would see what other's had to say. I did a little brushing up and found longshot loads from 6.4 to 9.7 /WLP /1.250-1.260 and that was for Hor. XTP . 950 -1400 fps. Wow what a variable. I don't believe I will do the max. load ....call me a sissy but I like my hands the way they are now.
Glad to hear its meters well.
I've loaded AA#7 & 800x all hand loaded ...one by one especially the 800x and have had great success with both powders but I just want to play around a little more to get that ultimate and trusted progressive load rolling. Can't wait to see how things work out.

GooseGestapo
November 12, 2012, 10:54 AM
I've found it to be superlative in the 9x19 with cast bullets. I use a 122gr Lee TC over 5.2gr of LongShot. It gives 1,200fps from my 6" PPC-9 and ~2" groups at 50yds...
From my 5906PC, I get 1,150fps and similar accuracy. I also use 5.5gr with a 115gr Hornady XTP for my 5" PPC-9. Also delivers 1,200+fps from 4"bbl. It's a tad slower burning than SuperField and gives much better performance from the 9mm with cast bullets. I haven't noticed that it is any louder in my appplication.

I did notice that I didn't/don't get quite the velocity noted in the Hodgdon data with the .40S&W. I get such good performace from the .40 with SuperField that I just stick with it in the .40.
I haven't loaded for the 10mm in 20yrs now. When I did, I used AAC#7......

Shmackey
November 12, 2012, 05:27 PM
I like it and will switch between Longshot (BOOM) and Power Pistol (FLASH) depending on what's available and whether I feel like tall skinny bottles or short squat ones.

They are absolutely my go-to powders for 10mm because they meter so well and move those bullets quickly. Probably the only other nice-metering powder in their league is AA9, but I haven't tried it.

Ex
November 12, 2012, 07:12 PM
THR!!! The "one stop shop" for great info! Many thanks guys!

Kachok
November 12, 2012, 07:45 PM
I use Longshot in 180gr 40cal and 147gr 9mm. 8.0gr is as high as I go in the 40 and 4.7gr in the 9mm. Both have noticably more umph then factory loadings, expect brass to be thrown 30 feet, but still no pressure signs due to it's slow burning nature.

gamestalker
November 12, 2012, 08:57 PM
I load all my 10mm, .40, 9mm, and 38 spcl with Longshot. It's a fantastic powder for higher end loads in those cartridges. As for how it meter's, I couldn't tell ya, I charge cases individually with a scale. It's a pretty flakey powder though, so i would imagine it wouldn't meter all that great.

HS6 is another pretty nice powder and it might meter better, but I haven't used it for 10mm so I can't say how well it performs in that application?

GS

Shmackey
November 13, 2012, 12:00 AM
I load all my 10mm, .40, 9mm, and 38 spcl with Longshot. It's a fantastic powder for higher end loads in those cartridges. As for how it meter's, I couldn't tell ya, I charge cases individually with a scale. It's a pretty flakey powder though, so i would imagine it wouldn't meter all that great.

HS6 is another pretty nice powder and it might meter better, but I haven't used it for 10mm so I can't say how well it performs in that application?

GS
Longshot meters as well as the best-metering small-flake powders out there--which is to say within +/- 0.1 grain in a stock Dillon or Hornady powder drop.

(This is coming from someone who has never been able to get Unique to measure within +/- 0.1 pound....)

Ex
November 13, 2012, 11:38 PM
Picked up 2 #s of Longhsot today and one more of Unique. But they were out of primers..:eek:

ArchAngelCD
November 14, 2012, 12:57 AM
But they were out of primers..:eek:
Who among us didn't see that coming?

I'm just glad I stocked up on primers and powder before the last shortage and over the past 4 years when I saw components on sale. I never bought a lot at once because I just don't have that kind of money but I did buy 2,000 or 3,000 primers when the price was right instead of only 1,000 at a time.

(yes, everything is stored safely and in compliance with all local laws)

Walkalong
November 14, 2012, 08:33 AM
The fellow who sells powder and primer at the gun shows here had plenty of powder and primers. The price was the same as usual last time. That was the weekend before the election. It will be interesting to see how he has them priced next time. If he raises the price, I will do like the last time, and not buy them. This little mini run won't last.

fecmech
November 14, 2012, 12:22 PM
My experience with Longshot was in the 9MM with cast bullets and for me it delivered excellent accuracy at high velocities. The 121 Lee truncated cone at 1250 fps+ and Lee 150 2R @ 1000 fps+ with groups 2" or less at 25 yds out of a stock Browning Hipower. IMO if you want high velocity and accuracy with cast bullets in the 9MM, Longshot is the way to go.

conservativetroll
November 15, 2012, 12:18 AM
Any one have experience with Longshot, and a 3.5 inch barrel on the 40cal @ 180gr JHP's??

918v
November 15, 2012, 11:07 AM
I clocked 1183 FPS using 8.1grs of LS and a 180XTP out of my 4" USP 40. You'll prolly get 1100-1150 FPS out of a 3.5" barrel.

Ex
December 30, 2012, 03:38 PM
Again, thanks to all that have chimed in on this thread!

Have now built about 200 rds of .40 with Zero 180 gn JHPs over 7.2 gns LongShot.
This is about midway on the load data for this round. Hogdon call for 6.5 to 8 gns.
This powder runs very well through the Dillon 550b powder system. Maintains approx
+-.1 gns for me. After shooting I found the barrel and other parts to be substantially cleaner than using Unique. And yes, it does throw the brass further!

Case bulging (G22 gen2) seems to be reduced a tad. Need more time with this powder/these loads for better surety. And next time out will have chrono to know better where these are really at.

Also built some .45 rounds with Berrys 230 gn RN, over 6.2 gns LongShot (factory says 6 to 6.8 gns) and was very happy with them being shot from my 1911. Consistant groups, cleaner than Unique...

Unique had always been my goto powder to keep from having to stock 4 or 5 different powders. LongShot has replaced my Unique for most and ceratinly 800x for my 10mm rounds. I do believe I will continue to use TiteGroup for my 115-124 gn 9mms as it also meters very nicely but costs a little less in powder weight.

Overall, LongShot has reduced my need for powder stock from 4 brands to 2. I REALLY like 800x in 10mm but just can't see hand weighing every charge when there is an option like LongShot!

Live well, shoot straight!

Ex

conservativetroll
January 20, 2013, 10:35 PM
Okay as Ex has stated we've loaded and launched some long shot. His Glock was absolutely spotless. My Ruger with it's 3.5 barrel was filthy with unburnded powder left behind. The rounds were 7.2 grs of long shot shoving 180 gr JHP's!! No chrono unfortunately!! What can we do to clean up the load for my short barrel. Any input would be appreciated!!:confused:

If you haven't ever held the SR40c Ruger, you are in for a sweet surprise. It has an amazing trigger!! And it's American made!!! Right here in Arizona to be exact!!!

Kachok
January 20, 2013, 10:57 PM
I shot some 8.0gr, max loads through a 3.8" Springfield barrel, not issues at all other then the brass knocking down low flying aircraft. Cleanup was quick and easy no excess fouling or carbon.

gamestalker
January 21, 2013, 10:47 AM
I've run max loads of LS through two different XDM's, and that was what got me stuck on LS for the .40 cal.. No dount the best powder I've ever used for .40 ca., especially if you like em nice and stout. And accuracy was exceptional too!

GS

SDGlock23
January 21, 2013, 12:49 PM
I used to have issues with Longshot, namely that at times I would get some big velocity variations and that I would fall short on velocity even out of longer barrels. I've used it in 9mm, .40, .45 and 10mm. Since I shoot the .40's most of the time, I have more data on it that the rest. It worked so-so in the .45, pretty good in the 9mm and 10mm, but with the .40 it hits a sweet spot. It meters well also.

It's my current opinion that Longshot likes to be pushed a little bit. I've found that not only does velocity open up, but it seems to get more consistent.

My setup is a Glock 35 with KKM 6" G24 barrel and a stainless steel RSA w/22lb spring. I'm not going to give the exact charge here, because it's not plug and play for every .40, but if you're interested, PM me. I have seen signs of over pressure at 10% over, so I have set a limit to not go over 10% over book max with Longshot in the .40 (with well supported aftermarket barrel).

6" G24 KKM bbl:

135gr Nosler JHP average of 1,849 fps (5% over book)
155gr Rem JHP average of 1,554 fps (8% over book)
165gr Gold Dot average of 1,485 fps
180gr MG JHP average of 1,402 fps (10% over book, at 6% over book it still does 1,330 fps)

I've not messed a whole lot with 200gr bullets with Longshot, but with 800x from the 6" bbl it's possible to push a 200gr XTP to 1,230 fps avg.

Brass looked fine, but like I said up to 10%, at that point it started to show a little deformation. It's my opinion .40 brass is stronger than 10mm brass and at least as strong as the 40,000 PSI rated 357 Sig.

conservativetroll
January 21, 2013, 10:29 PM
gamestalker and Kachok thanks for the data, i was guessing you guys would say something on that line. Will have to load up some hotter loads. Ex and i own a Dillon 550!!

conservativetroll
January 22, 2013, 10:06 PM
;)Thanks for those wisdon yall!! We will try some hotter loads and i can borrow a chrony from one of the guys at work. It's new cause he just took it out with one of his loads!!! He has a 454 he wants to sell if any one is interested!! I do NOT know why he bought the thing. He does not like heavy recoil!!;)

conservativetroll
March 2, 2013, 10:41 PM
Well Ex and "Troll" went shooting today. The Dillon 550 is at his house. He brought some loads with 165 gr. Montana Gold JHP's which sat on top of loads at 7.2, 7.5 and 7.7 grs of Longshot. His Glock 22 i believe launched em all leaving a spotless barrel. My Ruger SR40 c with it's 3.5 barrel was bit dirty but unlike the first outing with long shot the stouter loads sealed up nicely and launched cleanly leaving only a tiny bit of residue. I didn't notice any particular increase even with the 7.7 gr loads in noise. There was not the tiniest bit of felt recoil change. We weren't actually looking for accuracy, just wanted to see if they would chamber and go bang. I was under a time crunch (for my birthday it which i became officially older than Methuselah)so we just launched and caught brass. :eek:

I did however bring my buddies Chronograph the LS and 165 gr slugs went as follows,
7.2 grs long shot went 1067 fps
7.5 " " " " 1057 " surprise yes
7.7 " " " " 1098-1109 fps works out to 443 ft lbs

also ran the protection ammo i use. Dynamic Research Technologies frangible ammo:neener:

105 gr slug went 1300 fps kind of and interesting approach light slug (full of powder that tears a big wound cavity because of the centrifugal force applied to the powder) but eliminates (supposedly) over penetration!!

Our 7.7 gr LongShot loads produced a bit more energy than my protection ammo rounds (443-393 ft lbs) so all in all, with out a single FTL, FTF or FTE in any of our new loads it was a good day. No felt recoil issues, no noise issues, no beat up brass, no primer bulges found most of our brass it (though it did fly a bit) was a good day to be out with my best bud "Ex" and some fine weapons shooting nice stout loads that worked well with out stressing us or the weapons, as far as we can tell:rolleyes:

Crashbox
March 2, 2013, 11:00 PM
I use Longshot exclusively in my .40's with 180 JHP pills. I run 7.5 grains for a SD load emulator and it works well.

As mentioned, it meters like water too.

ljnowell
March 3, 2013, 12:08 AM
I made a query here about it previously to use in 45acp. I bought a pound, tried it, and didnt find any advantage over power pistol, at least not for me anyway.

I almost gave the rest of it away, but then decided to keep it to try in 40S&W.

Kachok
March 3, 2013, 12:53 AM
8gr of Longshot pushing a 180gr XTP is the only load I make for SD in 40, it kicks like a low end 44 and throws brass 30 yards but no bulging and primers are fine, I think it just burns too darn slow to make for any excessive pressures, that said I like my gun and am not going to push it any higher then it's published max, does not need any more power anyway.

gamestalker
March 3, 2013, 02:09 AM
I have been hooked on Longshot for a very long time. I use it for 38 spcl, 9mm, .40 cal., and almost can't be beat for high powered shot shell loads too, it just plain works well. In .40, 9mm, and 38 spcl. load work up is almost boring because it simply doesn't show sudden pressure spikes with incremental increases.

I just did a work up with Nosler 135 gr. JHP a couple of days ago that I had worked up from 8.0 grs. (min) up to the published max of 11.5, and the increases were in .2 gr. increments. I got up to 11.5 grs. without any excessive signs of pressure. Soo nice.

GS

SDGlock23
March 3, 2013, 07:35 PM
I noticed that Hodgdon did change the max charge for the .40 using 135gr and 155gr. For years it had been 12.0gr max with 135gr JHP and 10.0gr with 155gr JHP and I never had an issue with any of those loads whatsoever. Why they dropped the 135gr to 11.5 and the 155gr to 9.3gr I'm not sure.

Longshot can be very consistent yet at the same time while working up a load you might get several that aren't very consistent at all. I noticed this with my warmer Longshot loads, as it seems it gets more consistent when being pushed a little bit. I've seen similar results using Blue Dot and Power Pistol, but Longshot just pushes the bullets faster.

splattergun
March 3, 2013, 09:43 PM
I've tried it in 9mm and 12 ga. so-so in 9mm, snappy and loud in 12 ga, but it knocks down sharptail!

Crashbox
March 3, 2013, 09:47 PM
I noticed this with my warmer Longshot loads, as it seems it gets more consistent when being pushed a little bit.

This was my experience with it in the .40. At the starting load of 6.8 grains with 180 JHP's it was seemingly all over the paper but when I got it up around 7.2 and beyond the holes sure got closer together.

conservativetroll
March 3, 2013, 09:48 PM
918V " You'll prolly get 1100-1150 FPS out of a 3.5" barrel." you called that one exactly, that is exactly what we go, 1098-1100!!
Thanks

rogn
March 3, 2013, 10:12 PM
Probably the best powder for SERIOUS loads in the 10mm, 40S-W, and 9 mil. Meters well, shoots clean, and the accuracy has been excellent in all 3, especially at the warmer end. As mentioned it starts to perform when the pressures get up to efficient levels(stay away from too light loads). The only powder that compares in the 10mm for full power hunting loads is AA#9 with 200gr bullets. It is a compressed load. The Longshot gets better accuracy in my barrels-10mm. 1275 FPS w/ 200gr makes hunting power factor in PR of MD. Both the 40 and 9 get better velocity and good accuracy with the warmer published loads- 180 in 40 and 124 in 9. All the loads Ive used are published and can be found with a little research. All have fired safely in 6 different guns and barrels. I have no observations or opinions of the reported "dark side" of LS.

J_McLeod
March 3, 2013, 10:34 PM
I just bought 3 lbs of it last week because I couldn't get HS-6. I've enjoyed reading this thread and look forward to loading and shooting some 180s and 147s this week. Might even try it in the .357 if I have time.

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