rescued a colt Officers model match .22mag


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bigtubby
November 12, 2012, 10:37 AM
picked this up yesterday it had been sitting in a storage unit for awhile so the story goes, good news is no pitting just blue loss. Is this worth restoring or just make it a shooter I believe only around 850 were made. It is missing the ejector rod head and the grips have a crack that has been repaired. Anybody have a value on this gun in this condition?
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ApacheCoTodd
November 12, 2012, 11:01 AM
What a fun and rewarding project that will be. Congratulations - now stop showing off!

Remllez
November 12, 2012, 11:14 AM
Can't tell you about the value, but if it is still tight I would definitely keep it as a shooter. The rod end may be available at Numrich, and the original grips still turn up on E-Bay and Gunbroker. If the price was commensurate with the wear chances are you got a good buy.

A little brass wool and gun oil will help clean up some of the finish issues and should stop the rust from advancing. Those guns were/are fine, accurate and long lasting to boot. Whatever you decide, good on ya for saving that one from rusting to a heap somewhere.

bigtubby
November 12, 2012, 12:03 PM
I picked it up for $200.00 OTD

Guillermo
November 12, 2012, 12:21 PM
I would send the girl back to Colt for refinishing.

BTW, you stole it

788Ham
November 12, 2012, 12:49 PM
Nice find!! Wishing I could find one in that caliber also... I'm not through looking though.

SaxonPig
November 12, 2012, 01:17 PM
The rare caliber makes it a collector gun, but the condition won't excite collectors. Nice ones go for around $3,000. In this shape, I have no idea. I guess a lot more than you paid for it.

If it were me, with my utter lack of interest in shooting 22 Mags, I would put it on Gunbroker at a $500 start and see what folks will offer for it. If you want a deluxe 22 Mag target revolver, then keep it and fix it up.

CraigC
November 12, 2012, 01:23 PM
Great find! Personally, I might consider sending it to Turnbull for some charcoal bluing. Maybe also color case harden the hammer and trigger. Fit it with some Herrett's Ropers or maybe ivory or stag with a Tyler T-Grip. :)

bigtubby
November 12, 2012, 01:36 PM
Would colt refinish this gun? Talked to turnbull they don't want to take it apart and polish it they only want to do the blueing. Any recommendations for taking it down and polishing it?

VA27
November 12, 2012, 01:58 PM
I'd keep it and shoot it.

Depending on whose bidding, you could get as much as 1500 at auction on a good day. You could drop 1500 on a good restoration and maybe break even or lose money at auction 'cause it's a re-blue.

Your call.

CraigC
November 12, 2012, 03:22 PM
You could drop 1500 on a good restoration and maybe break even or lose money at auction 'cause it's a re-blue.
HUGE difference between a restoration and a reblue. He wouldn't be losing any money either. Not that in doing such work resale value should be a prime consideration. If that's the case, don't bother.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is the only consumer product where someone buys something, uses it for 20yrs and doesn't expect to lose any money on it. Silly, at best. :rolleyes:

SaxonPig
November 12, 2012, 04:29 PM
I disagree. No collector I know pays top dollar for a refinished gun (and a restoration is refinished). Value absolutely is diminished.

CraigC
November 12, 2012, 04:54 PM
I disagree. No collector I know pays top dollar for a refinished gun (and a restoration is refinished). Value absolutely is diminished.
I guess I better send a message to Turnbull that all his restored guns are worthless garbage. Come on, this is just silly. Like I said, there is a HUGE difference between a restoration and a refinish. Absolutely NOT the same thing and absolutely NOT the same effect on value. No way in hell is a $200 gun worth less after it's restored. Please. You send a $200 Colt to Turnbull for $500 worth of restoration work and it is worth at least what you have put into it. Period. Does it appeal to the same guys who are buying pristine original Colts? Probably not. Is it worth at least what has been invested? Abso-friggin'-lutely! I'll pay $700 for all the Turnbull restored Colt's I can get.

I see custom guns going for replacement cost all the time. Maybe you guys need to broaden your horizons. :rolleyes:

Guillermo
November 12, 2012, 05:14 PM
it is rare when I disagree with SaxonPig but in this case, the gun has such a bad finish, I cannot imagine it not being worth more with a good reblue

CraigC
November 12, 2012, 09:13 PM
Exactly, we're not talking about taking a minty original and spray painting it.

Walkalong
November 12, 2012, 09:44 PM
Awesome find. Me, I would just shoot it.

JT-AR-MG42
November 13, 2012, 04:12 AM
200 OTD?

I would phrase that 'Running out the door':)
Nice find.

As others mentioned, you should first take it out and shoot it to see if you want to keep it.
.22 mags can sometimes give sticky extraction, so use a fired rimfire case over the ejector rod to protect the threads while searching for a replacement.
The screwed don't look boogered so there is every chance that the internals haven't been messed with.
Pull the sideplate and apply some oil judiciously.

If it were mine.
Finish loss on guns I shoot has never been cause for the slightest concern for me at all. Abuse is something else but this gun just looks neglected.

Dferriswheel - Colt forum - has a sticky on proper method for re-polishing the sides of the hammer. I would also properly repair the chipped grip.
Never have seen that crack on a rimfire set. I've bedded my .38 and .357 full checkered targets though as that crack is in a very familiar place. Weak spot in the design with the wood grain angle.

The quality of a blue job is entirely dependent on the polish. I agree with Saxon that any refinish takes the gun out of collector status, at least for our lifetimes. The gun is not a 130 year old SAA.
Your gun is not in top collector grade obviously, but it is an original 1st or 2nd year rarer model, so tough to make a market call.
Since Turnbull won't touch it, you could get in touch with Colt if you want it looking new. Long wait if they will do it.
If you are selling it, I sorta think that letting the next owner decide might be the best way to go.

Enjoy it while you make up your mind though!
JT

Quoheleth
November 13, 2012, 07:35 AM
All I can say is I wish I had the same connundrum as you - keep as-is, refinish, or sell.

Congrats!

Q

Kyle M.
November 13, 2012, 08:17 AM
Very nice I know a guy who picked one up in .22l.r. at a gunshow last month for $800. He managed to sell it to the lgs for $975. I understand that the .22 mags go for quite a bit more as there were only about 850 made.

Gordon
November 13, 2012, 10:09 AM
It is worth about $1000 as is. I would send it to Colt and invest another $600 or so and have a wonderful gun. 6" .22 MRF are very, very good small game fun tools BTW. Don't o any thing other than clean up the beautiful grips.

CraigC
November 13, 2012, 11:35 AM
The only firearm Colt produces with a good blued finish is the SAA. They're already farming out their case coloring to Turnbull. Why does everybody still think that Colt is the last word in refinishing??? I'd send it to Ford's before I'd send it to Colt but the only place to get authentic Pre-war charcoal bluing is Turnbull.

Guillermo
November 13, 2012, 12:04 PM
Craig,

The reason to send it to Colt is because of the rarity of the piece.

Since it must have a refinish, it's value and collectibility is enhanced by the receipt that says "Colt"...no matter who they have do it.

CraigC
November 13, 2012, 12:19 PM
But my question is, is Colt even still qualified to do fine finish work on a rare old sixgun? IMHO, a Colt refinish is not going to be worth any more than that from a well respected restoration house. Just don't take it to Billy Bob around the corner. Screw the receipt, if I'm spending that much on a refinish/restoration, my first priority is getting it done right. Not the name on the receipt. Unless you're doing it strictly for resale value. In which case, why bother???

Same for S&W, they do not produce any finely made, hand finished sixguns any more. Do they really still have the skilled labor required to refinish a bright blued sixgun?

Personally, I'd send mine where I KNEW they had the talent to do it right. I would NEVER assume that the manufacturer still had the capability of giving me the same level of fit & finish they produced 50yrs ago, just because.

Guillermo
November 13, 2012, 12:35 PM
Colt is doing some very pretty refinishing as is S&W

They both deserve the criticism that they get...and more. But refinishing services are top notch.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=684109

CraigC
November 13, 2012, 12:48 PM
The S&W looks good and the price is more than reasonable. It just always sounded to me like folks were repeating what they heard when it comes to S&W's refinish work. I like to be sure. ;)

That said, I may send them my freckled 27, if I decide to keep it.

Guillermo
November 13, 2012, 12:54 PM
Colt has one of my Diamondbacks for repair.

I am going to see what turn around time is before I send them a gun to refinish. Ford's has reasonable turn around time.

One of my Diamondback snubs is a very early model and has been abused by an idiot with some steel wool. I don't mind a revolver that looks well used...but I hate the look of abuse.

But she is safe now :D

CraigC
November 13, 2012, 12:57 PM
I like old sixguns with honest wear. Damage or wear from abuse sticks in my craw. My 27-2 I picked up for a song but it's got rust freckles all over it. I can't live with that. Sometimes you don't mind wear but you want it to be YOUR wear. ;)

Guillermo
November 13, 2012, 01:01 PM
a lot of rust like that is abuse.

I am not an N frame guy, but the 27 was their flagship. It is a magnificently constructed revolver.

If you decide you like it I can certainly see why you would refinish.

SwampWolf
November 13, 2012, 01:42 PM
So long as the revolver is in good mechanical condition, I'd contact Colt to see what they charge for a refinish. A documented factory refinish is the next best thing to the original finish. In the section of the Blue Book of Gun Values titled Grading Criteria, author and publisher S.P. Fjestad wrote, "...if anyone other than the factory has refinished the gun, its value as a collector's item has been diminished...(emphasis mine)." And not to disparage the op's Colt revolver in question (a great find for the money for sure, by the way), but the existing finish appears bad enough that any good refinish and/or restoration will only add to the value. The only real issue in this case in my mind is cost-it wouldn't be prudent to pay so much for a refinish/restoration job that the same money could otherwise go toward buying the same revolver in good, original condition.

PaisteMage
November 14, 2012, 12:57 PM
Well if the OP decides it is worth selling, well that should be taken into account of how much he thinks he would get versus how much he spent on restoring it.

I am a complete and utter novice when it comes to used gun prices/collectors prices.

I personally would send it to the company that originally made the gun and have them do it. You guys may know a better option but that is my opinion.

22-rimfire
November 14, 2012, 01:07 PM
This is one I would send to Colt for refinish, refurbish, and parts replacement.

bigtubby
November 14, 2012, 01:36 PM
Colt will not refinish it but they reccomed a company about $ 400 and 8 month turn around

Quoheleth
November 15, 2012, 06:24 AM
From the post Guillermo linked to with the Smith Model 10, call Smith and see if they would refinish your Colt :neener:

Seriously.

Price is right ($275), turn-around appears to be reasonable (2 months), and the worst they can say is, "Thanks but no thanks."

Before you say they would never do that, Springfield Armory will work on other manufacturer's guns if the gun meets their standards and inspection.

Q

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