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dak0ta
November 12, 2012, 01:45 PM
Makes me feel so very Brit-ish. Remnant of Empire

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Gaiudo
November 12, 2012, 02:21 PM
I'll see your H&H clothing store promo, and raise you with a Purdey and Sons hunting video set to an aria:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/cF0K9tftdww

dak0ta
November 12, 2012, 02:29 PM
All in with the H&H Signature Range Rover!

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dak0ta
November 12, 2012, 02:30 PM
Haha this is the antithesis to rappers and their bling!

Reloadron
November 12, 2012, 02:41 PM
The only thing between me and some of those fine guns is six numbers on a lottery ticket.

Worth noting is the fine craftsmanship shown in the video.

Ron

oneounceload
November 12, 2012, 03:05 PM
Maybe some can see why those guns cost what they do - that hand fitting and finishing is second to none

aarondhgraham
November 12, 2012, 03:21 PM
Many many years ago,,,
I was a young GI on leave in London,,,
I walked into their showroom and was treated very nicely.

They were reluctant to allow me to handle their new firearms,,,
But the gentleman on the floor did allow me to hold and aim a used double-rifle.

At that time the used double-rifle would have been over 3 years pay for me.

All in all they were very polite and kind to a poor-but-appreciative young GI.

Especially since all I could afford to purchase was a small key-chain,,,
At that time (early 70's) that keychain was two days pay for me,,,
It was the least expensive thing in their store. http://images.thehighroad.org/smilies/redface.gif

Aarond

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oneounceload
November 12, 2012, 03:44 PM
Many here do not have an idea how long their employees work there - it takes YEARS to move from being an apprentice to skilled craftsman - they don't just get to watch a You Tube video to learn how to assemble things. When you have to take a small block of steel and make the screw needed, or a flat piece and turn it into a hardened leaf spring, it takes skill. As was shown in the video, to get the barrels to the right balance and weight point, they are meticulously hand filed little by little to get there.

Are they worth the cost? To many the answer is yes; to those who would just be happy with a maverick pump - good for you, but you would never understand it - it isn't snobbery, but an appreciation for a certain detail that many simply misunderstand. Even at their high prices in this economy, a bespoke gun has a two year waiting time frame

beatledog7
November 12, 2012, 04:15 PM
Wow, models with H&H gear. Big deal.

I found it interesting that superimposed over the music was the same exact gunshot over and over, and an occasional heat-related sound, but no car engines or voices or clinking of glasses.

Hoity-toity nonsense. I bet few of the "shooters" depicted ever shot a gun before they were cast in the video.

Iramo94
November 12, 2012, 07:34 PM
Going to the shop in England and getting fitted for a double barrel has been on my bucket list for a while now. I'll be able to afford it one of these decades...

I can't decide which is more beautiful, though: the guns, or the Maserati.

redmond
November 12, 2012, 08:26 PM
I have a Holland and Holland Rook Rifle #5 (think .360 plinker) that was my father's, living in my gunsafe. Not one of their awsome shotguns or double rifles, but the workmanship is incredible. He picked it up in a pawnshop in the '70s for $100.

oneounceload
November 12, 2012, 08:30 PM
Wow, models with H&H gear. Big deal.

I found it interesting that superimposed over the music was the same exact gunshot over and over, and an occasional heat-related sound, but no car engines or voices or clinking of glasses.

Hoity-toity nonsense. I bet few of the "shooters" depicted ever shot a gun before they were cast in the video.

Guess you fit my previous statement:

To many the answer is yes; to those who would just be happy with a maverick pump - good for you, but you would never understand it - it isn't snobbery, but an appreciation for a certain detail that many simply misunderstand

Redmond - have you ever fired that Rook rifle? I bet it is a neat gun to shoot

redmond
November 12, 2012, 09:26 PM
Yes, I've shot it and it's fun, but finding ammo (#5 Rook) is difficult.

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad184/adstpictures/IMG_0534.jpg

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad184/adstpictures/IMG_0543.jpg

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http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad184/adstpictures/IMG_0542.jpg

oneounceload
November 12, 2012, 09:37 PM
And a sidelever to boot.DAMN! I have always wanted a Steven Grant side lever sidelock........but I need a winning Powerball ticket

Very nice and thanks for the photos!

talldragon
November 12, 2012, 11:10 PM
Cool video. High production value, that's for sure. A lot of H&H product placement. Love seeing the barrels being put together, fitting a customer for LOP and the cannon fire at the end. Thanks for sharing :D .

Gato MontÚs
November 12, 2012, 11:47 PM
Man, what an awesome video. I mean, wow, those clothes are FABULOUS! And don't get me started on the dinette set!

I'm poor. Hopefully not forever, but I am now which of course stilts my opinion. Those firearms transcend simple tools and fall into the realm of art, no doubt, but while I may not completely appreciate those firearms because of their out-of-reach status, something about that ad tells me their target demographic are more interested in completing a look rather than appreciating the workmanship themselves.

aarondhgraham
November 13, 2012, 10:42 AM
Wow, models with H&H gear. Big deal.

So how is this different from 99.99% of the commercials in the world?

I would have sold my sister to the gypsies for an opportunity to apprentice for that company.

Aarond

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Tim the student
November 13, 2012, 01:48 PM
Oh, if only I had the funds...

beatledog7
November 13, 2012, 02:11 PM
Don't get me wrong, guys. I'm all for quality and all for the idea of earned exclusivity. I have some of it myself; I can go on a military base and always find a parking space because of earned exclusivity. My criticism is limited to that marketing approach, appealing to the too-often-bought-into notion that if I buy a Brand X widget I'll be cooler, thinner, better looking, and able to travel in a higher social circles than before I had the Brand X widget.

I'm sure handmade-to-order H&H guns are awesome, but are they enough better at what they are supposedly designed to do (break clays, kill game, etc.) than factory produced, mass market firearms to justify their hyper prices or long production wait times? That's a question for each individual who can afford one to answer. What I am confident in saying is that owning an H&H gun will not automatically make you part of the depicted culture.

smalls
November 14, 2012, 12:46 AM
"That club sucks, anyway", said the guy who couldn't get in. :neener:

I'm teasing. I will never afford one, either. But if I ever hit it big, I'm taking the first flight to that god forsaken country to get one built.

Will it help my shooting? Probably not by much. But when you have more money than sense, there's only so many Maserati's that will fit in your garage :D

Zoogster
November 14, 2012, 07:43 PM
Well it reminds me to be proud to be an American.
For while I can appreciate the finer things and image they are marketing, and the craftmanship of the firearms, it also reminds me that in many parts of Europe firearms are for hunting, and hunting has long been primarily for the wealthy.

In America firearm sports are for everyone.
You don't need permission, or proof that you have land to shoot on in the country, or belong to a club for X length of time to get a permit to even have one at home, locked away and unloaded.
You don't have to be able to afford the use of expensive private land, and meet the approval of the owners or have good connections to go on a hunt.


Since firearms are for everyone there is a much larger base that supports firearm rights. This reduces how quickly your rights are erroded no matter where you stand in society.

oneounceload
November 14, 2012, 07:59 PM
You don't have to be able to afford the use of expensive private land, and meet the approval of the owners or have good connections to go on a hunt.


You haven't tried hunting in TX or any other state where most land is in private hands then, have you??

Most of Europe, like certain states here, are mostly private lands. I see a lot of folks here in the East paying for leases in several states, and then they have to do all the work to the land - in Europe, someone else does all that work.

Guns in Europe are also used for target and other competitions, not just hunting- gee - just like here

sawdeanz
November 14, 2012, 11:11 PM
That was a cool film. I'm not really gushing over the hoity toity rich aspect of it but I think even the average person could appreciate a gun made by hand the old fashion way and that's what I like about it.

Dr.Rob
November 14, 2012, 11:28 PM
Deliciously snooty.

You can buy everything in that first commercial including the car at H&H. And you need Hugo Drax supervillain kind of money to do so.

r1derbike
November 15, 2012, 12:57 AM
Did anyone notice no eye protection worn by the clay shooters?

Nice production, but yes, more sound effects given the visual cues would have been much appreciated.

musicman10_1
November 15, 2012, 11:02 AM
Well it reminds me to be proud to be an American.
For while I can appreciate the finer things and image they are marketing, and the craftmanship of the firearms, it also reminds me that in many parts of Europe firearms are for hunting, and hunting has long been primarily for the wealthy.

In America firearm sports are for everyone.
You don't need permission, or proof that you have land to shoot on in the country, or belong to a club for X length of time to get a permit to even have one at home, locked away and unloaded.
You don't have to be able to afford the use of expensive private land, and meet the approval of the owners or have good connections to go on a hunt.


Since firearms are for everyone there is a much larger base that supports firearm rights. This reduces how quickly your rights are erroded no matter where you stand in society.
What an interesting perspective; it does not coincide with my experience, but I understand the essence of your comments.

Zoogster
November 15, 2012, 11:47 AM
That is not to imply that is all European shooters. In fact I know there is plenty of exceptions to that, and in a couple nations firearm ownership is relatively easy.
Perhaps I worded things too strongly.

Firearm sports are further from reach for many, require more cost and effort to take part in, and so are more easily available to those of means, or at least those better established in life and middle aged (beyond when many of thier views are readily shaped.)
Those determined will still be able to, but it is not as casual of a pursuit as it can be in the US. Greatly reducing numbers and favoring certain portions of society.

The culture of firearms also has more to do with hunting in a lot of Europe, though there is target shooting. Hunting often requires private land use, which further increases cost and adds hurdles, beyond just the greater hurdles to obtain firearms and ammunition.
I guess that is an irony considering Europe is generally more socialist, but in America we have a lot of the 'People's Land' in the form of national and state forests and other wide expanses of publicly available land in most states west of the Mississipi River.
I am aware Texas is similar in having little public land, which is why I don't live in Texas, it is a primary factor.


A film like that reminds me of the time when the King owned most land not cleared for crops in Fuedal times, and hunting on such land was frequently reserved for aristocrats and was something only the aristocrats typically did as a result. With hunting by others typically 'poaching' of the king's game.
And how while different today, there is still some elements of similarity.
With firearm privileges frequently tied to hunting, and hunting an expensive thing out of casual reach of many. Which has a big impact on reducing the overall number of shooters and firearm rights as a result.

Jaxondog
November 15, 2012, 02:00 PM
Nice video and thanks for sharing. It just made me realize just how poor I am. :(

tarosean
November 15, 2012, 02:40 PM
I'm sure handmade-to-order H&H guns are awesome, but are they enough better at what they are supposedly designed to do (break clays, kill game, etc.) than factory produced, mass market firearms to justify their hyper prices or long production wait times?

A picture from Walmart or a Picasso? A plastic lawn chair or a lazy boy? A Kia or Jaguar? Etc. etc etc.

They all serve the same purpose.

Yet we are all individuals and it is often not the case of what does product "A" do better than product "B". Rather what we prefer.

dak0ta
November 15, 2012, 03:52 PM
Wait for China to produce a H&H knock-off haha. Their first few batches will suck, but they'll get better just like their other guns.

k_dawg
November 15, 2012, 06:34 PM
It is not that I can not appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into it.
It is that the particular type of firearm they are building, simply does not appeal to me.

As far as the ad goes, I see the couple no different than a wanna-be gang banger, or someone who is 'goth'. They are trying too damn hard to 'fit in' to some clique and have no self worth of their own.

JAshley73
November 15, 2012, 10:43 PM
While those guns cost as much or more than my house, I certianly appreciate the level of craftsmanship that goes into these pieces...

Tinpig
November 16, 2012, 01:24 AM
You don't have to be rich to have a handmade English shotgun, you just need to have a Dad who knew how to liberate a good thing when he saw it.

He found this 1907 Greener 12 ga. in a Japanese ammo bunker in 1945:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/Greener-4.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/IMG_0468.jpg

I inherited it when he died, but I don't shoot it much. I'm more comfortable banging my $100 NEF 20 ga. around. I love to take it out and admire the workmanship and the balance, though.

Tinpig

gfanikf
November 16, 2012, 06:47 AM
You don't have to be rich to have a handmade English shotgun, you just need to have a Dad who knew how to liberate a good thing when he saw it.

He found this 1907 Greener 12 ga. in a Japanese ammo bunker in 1945:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/Greener-4.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/IMG_0468.jpg

I inherited it when he died, but I don't shoot it much. I'm more comfortable banging my $100 NEF 20 ga. around. I love to take it out and admire the workmanship and the balance, though.

Tinpig

Very nice. You ever have it appraised? I would hope its insured.

Its a shame you can't do that anymore. Lord knows Saddam must have had a ton of those...well Bush did get his G18. lol

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oneounceload
November 16, 2012, 02:14 PM
Nice greener - go shoot it at some clays or feathered birds and enjoy the memories

akodo
November 17, 2012, 09:47 AM
Many here do not have an idea how long their employees work there - it takes YEARS to move from being an apprentice to skilled craftsman - they don't just get to watch a You Tube video to learn how to assemble things. When you have to take a small block of steel and make the screw needed, or a flat piece and turn it into a hardened leaf spring, it takes skill. As was shown in the video, to get the barrels to the right balance and weight point, they are meticulously hand filed little by little to get there.

Are they worth the cost? To many the answer is yes; to those who would just be happy with a maverick pump - good for you, but you would never understand it - it isn't snobbery, but an appreciation for a certain detail that many simply misunderstand. Even at their high prices in this economy, a bespoke gun has a two year waiting time frame

What I find interesting is the wealthy of the bygone era were likely to have a single gun or two from a very high-end maker. Wealthy gun owners today are more likely to have 100 different standard production guns.

Mk VII
November 17, 2012, 12:08 PM
Sidelocks are not particularly efficient mechanisms. The boxlock is more reliable, but high-end guns are all sidelocks.

Jim Watson
November 17, 2012, 12:30 PM
Well, you are there and I am not, but while I agree that the high end London Best guns are all sidelocks, some of the upstarts in Birmingham and Edinburgh have done very fine boxlock guns. I don't know the relative prices but I am more intrigued by a WR hand detachable boxlock than a sidelock.

oneounceload
November 17, 2012, 04:29 PM
Actually the Scottish best guns are neither box lock or sidelock,they are a triggerplate action ala Dickson, Brown or MacNaughton. A much stronger action design that he others.
As for sidelock being a bad design, I will disagree . They were built. To be able to be readily fixed in the field, something the box lock was not

Yes, you would carry spare springs, pins and firing pin springs - making them easy to repair

Jim Watson
November 17, 2012, 04:45 PM
Yes, I know the Dickson Round Action et al are trigger plate actions. But the appearance is that of a boxlock, even though not an Anson & Deeley.

I don't know what repairs you could make in the field to even a hand detachable sidelock. Is it usual to carry tools and small parts on safari? I know you could get a Westley Richards with a spare set of detachable boxlocks, just in case.

The trigger plate actions are no doubt strong, without the space taken up by A&D action parts. But what of the stock inletting? A sidelock, especially back action, has a similarly solid bar, but a lot of cutouts in the wood. I wonder about the space taken up by the trigger plate with working parts.

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