.22LR Magpul FPG using a Marlin 60


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defconskylude
November 14, 2012, 01:27 PM
Latest stock purchase that should come next week. Magpul FPG (Folding Pocket Gun)

Made of full polymer.

Will be using a .22LR tube fed Marlin 60 for this conversion.
Also try a AR15 CASV quad rail on it to help cover up the barrel.
Fake suppressor using PVC piping

Will post pics and video once im done with the fitment.

http://strikehold.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/magpulfpg01web.jpg
http://www.crazycromags.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/a/magpul_fpg_full_kit.jpg

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TITAN308
November 14, 2012, 02:37 PM
Doesn't a firearm that is made to not look like a firearm require some sort of elevated status like a class III item?

Or do you intend for it to be non-folding?

defconskylude
November 14, 2012, 02:46 PM
Doesn't a firearm that is made to not look like a firearm require some sort of elevated status like a class III item?

Or do you intend for it to be non-folding?

its just like any other dress up kit out there for a .22

it still has to meet the required 26 inch overall length with it folded

and 16 inch minimum barrel length

if its over 26 inches folded, then ill be jelly.

even when its folded, there's a long 22 inch barrel sticking out of it.
more likely im just going to pin it and make it fixed (non folding).

TITAN308
November 14, 2012, 02:54 PM
Oh ok - the only reason I asked;

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), which enforces federal firearms law, refers to such weapons as "NFA firearms".[5] In addition to machine guns, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, heavy weapons and explosive ordnance, NFA firearms include silencers and "any other weapon" (AOW), such as disguised or improvised firearms.

I wasn't questioning the dress up of the .22 - but more or less that in its folded position (extended barrel or not) can or would the ATF view it as a disguise?

Even rifles with folding stocks that meet the min. length requirement still look like guns.

I'll admit its one of those stupid gray areas, but unless you want to risk becoming case law - I would pin the weapon in the open position or somehow render the folding capability inoperable.

I am not a lawyer, so just my 2 cents is all.

:)

defconskylude
November 14, 2012, 02:57 PM
yea i agree. it would look weird just folded up with the barrel sticking out.

yep its going to be fixed to make sure the pistol grip is exposed. ;)

TITAN308
November 14, 2012, 03:08 PM
All good - I like seeing any new dress up kits you put together and I'd hate for that to be put to an end due to some pesky and vague wording in the law and you getting in trouble.

Do you have any video guides by chance?

My daughter has a G36C airsoft rifle she no longer plays with and I have a ruger 10/22 - would love to put the Ruger guts into it. lol

defconskylude
November 14, 2012, 03:10 PM
yea check my youtube channel. theyre not step by step instructions. theyre just after the fact explanations when i do my disassembly.

http://www.youtube.com/user/defconskylude?feature=mhee

i did a HK SL8 airsoft stock with a 10/22.

the G36 will work with the 10/22. its pretty common.

JShirley
November 14, 2012, 03:13 PM
Titan, AOWs include firearms that can fire while never looking like firearms. It doesn't matter if your .50 BMG looks like a Rubik's Cube when folded, so long as it looks like a firearm when in condition to be fired. This is why "pen guns" are AOWs, while tubular pistols whose firing grip pops out in a traditional right angle are not.

Defcon is also incorrect. It doesn't matter how long it is when folded, if it cannot be fired in that configuration.

John

TITAN308
November 14, 2012, 03:30 PM
Just for my own education can you provide a link to these definitions and explanations?

Girodin
November 14, 2012, 03:31 PM
If it was SBRed and folded I would think it would be pretty neat. However, with a long barrel sticking out the front I imagine it will look rather odd.

TITAN308
November 14, 2012, 03:34 PM
So could AOW stand for " All Odd Weapons" ???

haha... bad joke...

*ba-dum CHING*

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs18/f/2007/145/c/d/Ba_dum__CHING_by_Draygone.gif

JShirley
November 15, 2012, 01:20 PM
Definitions and illustrations here ( http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-nfa-aow.html).

MachIVshooter
November 15, 2012, 07:55 PM
Defcon is also incorrect. It doesn't matter how long it is when folded, if it cannot be fired in that configuration.

It was my understanding that being capable of firing when folded or not is irrelevant, so long as the barrel is 16" and the OAL is 26" with stock unfolded/extended.

Of course, I'm unable to think of any collapsible or folding stock guns with 16" tubes that come in under 26" with stock collapsed/folded anyway. Generally, the receiver and extension or trunion amount to at least 10".

ApacheCoTodd
November 15, 2012, 08:34 PM
Doesn't a firearm that is made to not look like a firearm require some sort of elevated status like a class III item?

Or do you intend for it to be non-folding?
I think a big part of it is that when folded it does not look like the "Man From U.N.C.L.E." radio gun or a brief case MAC sort of affair.

JShirley
November 16, 2012, 12:07 AM
MachIV, if the OAL and barrel lengths are as you describe, then yes, it would not be relevant. If they were shorter it would be relevant. Please carefully read the last statement in my OP again.

An easy example is the Sub-9/Sub-2000 carbines from KelTec. They are less than the legal OAL when folded, but since they cannot be fired from this position, it doesn't matter. If a carbine can be fired when folded, it must meet the barrel length and OAL minimums, or it will fall into a special category like SBR.
John

MachIVshooter
November 16, 2012, 12:22 AM
MachIV, if the OAL and barrel lengths are as you describe, then yes, it would not be relevant. If they were shorter it would be relevant. Please carefully read the last statement in my OP again.

An easy example is the Sub-9/Sub-2000 carbines from KelTec. They are less than the legal OAL when folded, but since they cannot be fired from this position, it doesn't matter. If a carbine can be fired when folded, it must meet the barrel length and OAL minimums, or it will fall into a special category like SBR.

Right, I understand what you're saying WRT things that would be AOW's if they could fire when not looking like a gun.

What I was saying is that OAL of a rifle or shotgun is measured with stock unfolded/extended, and whether or not it can fire in the folded/collapsed position is irrelevant.

Short-barreled rifles (SBRs)—this category includes any firearm with a buttstock and either a rifled barrel under 16" long or an overall length under 26". The overall length is measured with any folding or collapsing stocks in the extended position. The category also includes firearms which came from the factory with a buttstock that was later removed by a third party

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