Attemptin' to build a Seneca.


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Jim, West PA
November 14, 2012, 03:12 PM
I know, i know, go check my hens fer teeth first.:rolleyes:

Anyone know of any other BP forums or parts folks or auctions that i can search for Seneca parts ?
All i have so far is desire and a factory stock.

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Oldnamvet
November 14, 2012, 07:19 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thompson-Center-Renegade-Hawken-Seneca-Cherokee-double-set-triggers-/121016781549?pt=Vintage_Hunting&hash=item1c2d298aed

Not so sure that these triggers fits everything claimed.

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/667/1/PLUG-TC-13-9

Here is a breech plug, now just get a length of 13/16 barrel in desired caliber.
The lock may be hard to find and you might have to use whichever one you find that is close enough. Keep prowling the auction sites and eventually you should be able to collect all the parts. They are a sweet little rifle.

Prairie Dawg
November 15, 2012, 03:05 AM
+1 on the breechplug.
TOW can get you the 13/16 barrel, rib, & underlug components.
Other parts show up on ebay on a semi-regular basis--keep looking
I had an extra trigger guard at one time--I'll look
Keep your eyes open--they do come up.
--Dawg

arcticap
November 15, 2012, 09:11 AM
The breech plug that Track of the Wolf sells has a hook that will mate with your original tang if you have one.
But if not, then Cains Outdoors also sells 2 breech plugs and a tang separately for the Seneca, Cherokee and Patriot pistol. One of Cain's breech plugs has the exact same description as the TOW breech plug but with a $1.14 lower price.

Tang only:

http://www.cainsoutdoor.com/shop/item.asp?item=02681

9/16 X 18 breech plug:

http://www.cainsoutdoor.com/shop/item.asp?item=02682

5/8 X 18 breech plug (out of stock):

http://www.cainsoutdoor.com/shop/item.asp?item=02680

lotsoffreetime
November 15, 2012, 10:34 AM
the Cherokee parts for the most part fit the Seneca stock

Jim, West PA
November 15, 2012, 11:32 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thompson-Cen...item1c2d298aed

Not so sure that these triggers fits everything claimed.

Thanx Vet, i'll yank the triggers out o' one o' my Hawkens and try it for fit.

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Catego...1/PLUG-TC-13-9

Here is a breech plug, now just get a length of 13/16 barrel in desired caliber.
The lock may be hard to find and you might have to use whichever one you find that is close enough. Keep prowling the auction sites and eventually you should be able to collect all the parts.
I did see those breech plugs there but no tang.



They are a sweet little rifle.
Man is that ever an understatement. I touched one, a .36, at a LGS a month er 3 back and imediately knew i NEEEDED one.
The one i held is for sale but they're askin way too much.
Thruth is tho, it'll probably cost me more, and take years findin parts, to build one. But it'll be mine ;)

Jim, West PA
November 15, 2012, 11:36 AM
+1 on the breechplug.
TOW can get you the 13/16 barrel, rib, & underlug components.
Other parts show up on ebay on a semi-regular basis--keep looking
I had an extra trigger guard at one time--I'll look
Keep your eyes open--they do come up.
--Dawg

Wow, Dawg, never gave the rib a thot. Thanx for that heads up.
This prject will definately cost more than the $600 the LGS is askin for thiers.:uhoh:

Jim, West PA
November 15, 2012, 11:49 AM
The breech plug that Track of the Wolf sells has a hook that will mate with your original tang if you have one.
But if not, then Cains Outdoors also sells 2 breech plugs and a tang separately for the Seneca, Cherokee and Patriot pistol. One of Cain's breech plugs has the exact same description as the TOW breech plug but with a $1.14 lower price.

Tang only:

http://www.cainsoutdoor.com/shop/item.asp?item=02681

:what: STEVE !!!!

You're a saviour !!!!!
I was actualy thinkin o' givin this project up because i searched for days and jist 'bout decided that the tang was a non existent item.

THank you so much !!!!!

Do you know if the locks from the Seneca, Cherokee and Patriot are the same and if so, was there a flint lock made for either the Cherokee or Patriot ?
I'd sure like to make this Seneca stone sparked.

Jim, West PA
November 15, 2012, 11:50 AM
the Cherokee parts for the most part fit the Seneca stock

Thanx freetime and welcome to the forum.

arcticap
November 15, 2012, 12:57 PM
I think that the Patriot lock fits too but I don't know how TC made the Patriot triggers to work in reverse order.
And those small size locks are probably why I can't recall ever seeing them made as a factory flintlock model.

Jim, West PA
November 15, 2012, 01:21 PM
Thanx Steve, i sure wish i knew as much about thes BP guns and buildin 'em as i do 'bout center fires.
I'm learnin tho :D

Oldnamvet
November 15, 2012, 05:33 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thompson-Center-Seneca-Blackpowder-Muzzleloader-Stock-and-Parts-/170942468238?pt=Vintage_Hunting&hash=item27ccf7108e

Here is everything but the barrel.

Jim, West PA
November 16, 2012, 12:19 AM
Thank you so much Vet.
Dang, all i'd hafta do is git a GM Bbl and breech plug and throw some sights on it.Think i'd go with a Rica or a Colerain tho ;)
I'm gonna have my buddy try his luck at biddin on that one for me before i do anything else. ( i can't do e-bay)
Again, thank you very much for the link.

Oldnamvet
November 17, 2012, 12:24 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/THOMPSON-CENTER-SENECA-BARREL-45-Caliber-w-T-C-4x32-4RP-Scope-Ramrod-Wrench-/251185100715?pt=Vintage_Hunting&hash=item3a7bcc77ab

And here is a barrel. No building now, just assembling.

Jim, West PA
November 17, 2012, 11:10 AM
Nice Bbl indeed.
But wrong caliber.:(
I'm wantin a .36 ;)
I already got a .45 in a Hawken.
Mmm..but then a .45 Seneca Bbl would give Janet a .45 also in a much lighter rifle.

Oh yeah, thanx for lookin out for me. I sincerley do 'preciate it.

Shyoldman
November 19, 2012, 01:43 PM
I have 2 Senaca 36 cal.(eat your heart out,haha)
Bought one new in about 1980?, one used last summer at a local SCHEELS store. Don't think they knew what they had, I paid $230. 25xxx serial number and in better shape than my original!

Jim, West PA
November 19, 2012, 07:13 PM
I'll give ya $250 fer it.
Heck, i'll even pay the shippin.:D

Good for you ya old fart.
They sure are one sweet handlin smoke pole.

Oldnamvet
November 19, 2012, 09:12 PM
Mine came from the custom shop, has the T/C peep sight, and the barrel has been rebored to 40 cal by T.E. Rayl. I won't post a picture since I don't want the SHYOLDMAN to drool all over his keyboard.:neener:

Jim, West PA
November 19, 2012, 11:27 PM
I'm the one with the soggy keyboard here.What with him havin not one .36 Seneca but two !!!:what:
I should o' offered him the $350 fer the old beat up one.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=171040&d=1346727321

arcticap
November 20, 2012, 02:56 AM
Wow, this .45 Seneca on Gunbroker is a beauty.
It's only at $399 with 17 hours left to the auction.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=315614704

There's also a very nice .45 Cherokee that's still under $400 with 2 days left.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=317127166

Jim, West PA
November 20, 2012, 06:20 AM
Shame neither is .36. :(

That Cherokee's pretty rough.

'spect a Rice or Colerain in .36 could be dropped into that Seneca tho.
'spose i'm gonna hafta watch that'n.
Thanx Steve.

Jim, West PA
November 20, 2012, 08:22 PM
:fire::cuss::banghead::fire::banghead::cuss::mad:

I DON'T BELIEVE THIS !!! I bid on that Seneca that Steve posted the link to above. and i my bid won.
Well, it shoud have. I entered my bid with 30 seconds to go and instead of my bid going in i get an error message saying that i had to have an instant paying method on file to buy.
I sat here all day reading everything that gunbroker had written about how to register, bid, buy and nowhere did it say anything about havin a credit card on file with them.
I had a Seneca literaly at my cyber fingertips only to have it ripped away by a lack on information error.:cuss::cuss::fire::fire::mad::mad::mad:

Oldnamvet
November 21, 2012, 12:19 AM
That sucks! I didn't know that rule. Must be new.
The Seneca stock and barrel that were on ebay went for a total of $600+
There will be another chance. You just have to keep watching.

Jim, West PA
November 21, 2012, 12:24 AM
That sucks! I didn't know that rule. Must be new.
Thinkin back Vet, when i registered a couple years ago they kept promptin me to pay a buck with a cc for somethin'.

The Seneca stock and barrel that were on ebay went for a total of $600+
There will be another chance. You just have to keep watching.

Still got eye on one. ;)
But it sure would o' been sweet to grab that rifle fer the $399 it sold for.

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