Has anyone shot a FN Five-Seven?


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Dlowe167
November 15, 2012, 02:09 AM
I wanna shoot the FN Five-Seven. Im curious about this gun. How it shoots,accuracy,etc.? I had heard a rumor of them double pumping,guess cause they have a blowback action. I never buy into rumors,thats why im asking. Like I said im really curious about this gun. Thanks

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firesky101
November 15, 2012, 02:20 AM
double pumping???

allaroundhunter
November 15, 2012, 02:25 AM
I'm not sure what you mean by "double pumping"?....

But when I shot one it was nice. It recoiled slightly more than a .22, but was considerably louder. Accuracy was pretty nice.

All in all, it was fun to shoot a few times, but I have zero need or want for one.

Dlowe167
November 15, 2012, 02:42 AM
To me it means that it hasnt really ejected the first rounds as it tries pushin another round in. Basicly grenades a polymer frame. Seen pics of other guns doing it on the saysuncle.com

firesky101
November 15, 2012, 04:11 AM
I have not heard of feeding issues with the FiveSeven. The one I got to shoot did not have an issue in 20 rounds that I put through it.

ms6852
November 15, 2012, 04:14 AM
My brother just traded his for a AR15. I just his several times and it feels like shooting a 22 magnum. Big flash of fire comes out of the barrel. Most people won't believe this but it shot point of aim at 200 yards. Bullet comes out at about 2000 fps.

Pete D.
November 15, 2012, 06:33 AM
I have had a FiveSeven for a few years now. A varmint rifle that you can put in your pocket. Marvelously accurate.
I have never heard of the "double pumping" issue before reading this thread.
I wonder, though, if it is a real thing, whether it is is related somehow to the FiveSeven's OS and if that has been somehow disrupted by hand loads.
The OS in the FiveSeven is a delayed blowback, not a straight blowback.
The cartridges are coated with a polymer film. When fired, the film causes the case to stick in the chamber for longer than it otherwise would, delaying ejection. If the coating has been removed or worn off or if the case has been improperly loaded, this timing will be disrupted.
You would end up with a double feed perhaps. In any case, I do not see the "grenade the polymer frame" thing. A jam, yes. But an OBD....? The case being ejected is already inert. So what is going to blow? The same is true if the opposite occurs and the case fails to eject. Perhaps I misunderstand.
Pete

guyfromohio
November 15, 2012, 08:02 AM
I believe Gun Tests did a story in 2011 about the 5.7 vs. the 22 win mag. The rounds appeared to be very similar ballistics-wise, but win mag ammo is significantly less expensive. That being said, I'd still like one.

usp9
November 15, 2012, 08:25 AM
My FN Five-Seven is a great shooting pistol. You've been mis-informed on any "double-pumping" problem. The Five-Seven is very reliable and a very high quality gun. It is an excellent choice for home protection. The only drawbacks I can think of are it's high cost, loud report and not all indoor ranges will allow it. Go figure. :confused:

gfanikf
November 15, 2012, 08:33 AM
I believe Gun Tests did a story in 2011 about the 5.7 vs. the 22 win mag. The rounds appeared to be very similar ballistics-wise, but win mag ammo is significantly less expensive. That being said, I'd still like one.

Did they test commercial ammo or the original intended round to be used the SS190 ball round? I know besides crazy prices for old boxes its impossible to get if not LE/Mil/FFL(?), but I don't think Win Mag will thrash body armour like the 5.7. I'd really like one myself.

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ClickClickD'oh
November 15, 2012, 08:39 AM
I believe Gun Tests did a story in 2011 about the 5.7 vs. the 22 win mag. The rounds appeared to be very similar ballistics-wise, but win mag ammo is significantly less expensive. That being said, I'd still like one.

The 5.7x28 out of a five inch barrel is ballistically similar to the .22 win mag out of an eighteen inch barrel. A small, but important, detail that is often left out of such statements.

kim breed
November 15, 2012, 09:29 AM
super accurate and smoking velocity. Very dangerous to varmints. Ballistic tips leave big holes in deer carcasses . cool to shoot pumpkins and watermelons. never had a feed problem.

Pete D.
November 15, 2012, 09:35 AM
The 5.7x28 out of a five inch barrel is ballistically similar to the .22 win mag out of an eighteen inch barrel. A small, but important, detail that is often left out of such statements.
+1 about that.
Try putting that .22 magnum rifle in your pocket.

Another thing....my FiveSeven, loaded with 20 rounds, weighs the same as my Glock 36 loaded with six.

(Before anyone asks....I did not buy the FiveSeven as a SD gun but really as a field gun, the varmint rifle in my pocket to which I referred earlier. When I carry for SD, I carry the 36.)

gfanikf
November 15, 2012, 10:01 AM
+1 about that.
Try putting that .22 magnum rifle in your pocket.

Another thing....my FiveSeven, loaded with 20 rounds, weighs the same as my Glock 36 loaded with six.

(Before anyone asks....I did not buy the FiveSeven as a SD gun but really as a field gun, the varmint rifle in my pocket to which I referred earlier. When I carry for SD, I carry the 36.)

Why is the FiveSeven bad for SD? I mean not to sound grim but if I recall it was used in the Ft Hood shooting and with regular sporting ammo, not SS190 ball.

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Orion8472
November 15, 2012, 10:39 AM
Recently saw a video of the "anemic" sporting round demolishing the bones in a pork shoulder. The round is quite useful for SD.

Shooting the Five Seven is a lot of fun. Really good trigger, low recoil, flat shooting, very accurate, . . . a bit louder than other guns, but not by much.

bodam
November 15, 2012, 11:01 AM
Give your first born for ammo though, that's the issue with 5.7

Dlowe167
November 15, 2012, 06:20 PM
Thanks all for comments. I have a Kel-tec PLR16 as a back up CCW/truck gun. Just thought i'd try the FN Five-Seven out

mr.trooper
November 15, 2012, 07:56 PM
$.48 per round for clean top-shelf ammo loaded with premium components. That is standard going rate ($23.99) for SS197 sporting rounds. Sounds like 40S&W or 45acp to me; not what I call cheap, but not what most people would call 'giving your first born'. If cost of ammo is your primary concern, then stick with .22lr and 9x18 Mak for your pistols.

I have been carrying and shooting my FsN USG for about 18 months now. My impressions are as follows:
* It is one of the most accurate pistols I own - right up there with the STI GP6, which is to say very accurate.
* Recoil is exceptionally low. Comparable to a 32 automatic in my subjective estimation. It doesn't even throw your sights off target. It is no feat at all to put two rounds center mass with a 5.7 in the time it would take to place one aimed shot with other center fire pistols.
* Muzzle flash can be quite large, especially in failing light.
* Reliability is exceptionally good. Glock / Sig good. I think the fact that high quality ammunition is the ONLY ammunition is a significant factory is that.
* Mechanically the gun is very simplistic. Delayed Blowback action has a minimum of parts.
* Safety is very high. The safety lever is a simple trigger block, rather than one which interferes with any of the internal mechanisms. This allows you to put the gun into 'condition 3' and still engage the mechanical safety, which is something many pistols will not allow you to do. There is almost no chance of accidentally or negligently discharging the weapon in this mode, and yet it can still be made ready to fire as quickly as you can chamber a round.

I am a very big fan of the FN 5.7 pistol. I realize it is not for everybody, and I still appreciate my other handguns, but I will never be without my 5.7 till the end of my days.

HKGuns
November 15, 2012, 11:10 PM
Extremely accurate, long range, extremely low recoil, fairly loud with a pretty huge muzzle blast. They are a hoot to shoot and are VERY light to carry, even with 20 rounds. I've not had any feeding or "double pumping" regardless of the "rumors" you may have heard, whatever that means. I tend to ignore rumors as they are usually made up in someone's mind, which happens to be the case here.

http://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v47/p580903971-5.jpg

ClickClickD'oh
November 15, 2012, 11:32 PM
Oooh, FN 5.7 pron.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r100/mdorbust/57s.jpg

LightningMan
November 15, 2012, 11:55 PM
I believe the Laquer coating on the 5.7 round and its intended purpose is to aid in the operation of the P90 carbine, because the rounds have to rotate 90 degrees. At least thats what I've read, also it should make no difference with or without the coating on the FiveseveN pistol. LM

barnbwt
November 16, 2012, 12:42 AM
Very good list, Trooper, I'll have to tuck that away for reference :)

Too many critiques/reviews of the gun focus solely on the round itself, and the qualities/quirks of the firearm itself go ignored.

The primary "legit" criticism of the gun itself is its somewhat non-standard control-scheme. Many don't like having the safety above the trigger access by the index finger. Seems intuitive to me, but it would be strange to switch to from another platform. The slide release is tiny, and on mine, very hard to actuate under slide tension. I understand the carry-need for low profile buttons, but it's almost unusable. I believe there are bigger aftermarket replacements, though. Oddly, the mag release is ginormous by comparison:confused:. The grip stippling is excessively aggressive (as it is on every polymer gun these days). The recoil is beyond controllable; there's no reason my hand needs to be embossed for an hour after shooting. The sights are functional, but the factory 3-white-dots are nothing to write home about (mine are the non-adjustable)

My criticism of the design is the combination of features it needed to meet our stupid "Saturday Night Special" import laws (as if a 1000$ gun is a "Saturday Night Special" anyway:banghead:). A gun with no external hammer or decocker; fine, you can dry fire it to release the striker tension. No so, with the Five-seveN; you to insert a mag to dry-fire due to the dang magazine safety interlock!:eek:.

The "obvious, reasonable solution" I've heard to ensure firearms safety is to remove spring/follower from one of your +30$ mags, paint it red, and use it as a tool to let down the striker. Red, neon blue, or whatever; It always feels weird and disconcerting to pop in a mag, check the chamber a few times, and pull the trigger. It is just stupid that we must stoop to that. The interlock can be removed, rendering the gun the way FNH originally intended, but I'd hate to defend that decision in court.

These criticisms aside (except for that last one, which is my one hangup with using the pistol for carry) the gun is superbly made, highly innovative, accurate, powerful for what it is, and very fun to shoot. Only gun I've done <4" at 25 yards with so far:). Just wear good ear protection, and try to avoid developing a twitch, which is easy due to the loud bark/flash.

The ambi-controls and low recoil would make it perfect for dual-wielding:p. If the Machine Gun Registry ever reopens (:rolleyes:) the Five-seveN will get first dibs:evil: followed by the VZ58

$.48 per round for clean top-shelf ammo loaded with premium components. That is standard going rate ($23.99) for SS197 sporting rounds.

Would you mind posting a source? That's a good (and plausible) price, but since the shortage two months or so ago, I haven't seen it online for less than $.55/round (and usually that SS196 lead-free stuff). For what it is, 5.7x28 is no rip-off. People who claim it is severly overpriced invariably insist on comparing it (incorrectly) to 22WMR, and project that rounds' pricing onto the 5.7's "worth"--I usually don't even engage those folks since they've already formed a negative opinion on the round.

I wonder if the OP is referring to double-feeding or stove-pipe jams? Simple answer: the Five-seveN tapered round is basically immune to these common feeding issues. As far as Kabooming, apparently if they do go off it's impressive, but there is little (none?) evidence that bad/unknown handloads or overpressure after-market ammo weren't the culprits. Even less of an issue than 40SW/10mm never was in Glocks, though, at any rate

TCB

Pete D.
November 17, 2012, 12:12 AM
Why is the FiveSeven bad for SD? I
Who said that it is bad for SD?
When I made my comment about carrying a Glock 36 for SD, as opposed to the FiveSeven, I was unclear about my reasons. The only reason for the choice is the sizes of the guns. THe FiveSeven is a full-size pistol, like a 1911 or a Beretta 92. I prefer the mini Glock for carry.
Pete

Skribs
November 17, 2012, 02:51 AM
Barn, the control scheme is a big one for me, but not because of where the safety is; rather, it is the fact there is a safety at all. I want a version similar to my M&P or XD (well, I'll take the lever safety over hinged, though).

The biggest issue, however, is that because very few reputable manufacturers make something in 5.7x28mm, consumers aren't sure if it's a good idea. And because consumers aren't sure if it's a good idea, reputable manufacturer's are afraid to make it. You see the cycle?

Take away the price and availability issues, and you still have something that's got a lot of noise and flash, which may be a bad thing - especially if defending yourself at night. I think these are the main reasons the round/platform (because honestly, you have to lump the two together, because it's pretty much the only well-known pistol in that cartridge) isn't too popular.

There's also the fact that it doesn't really come in a compact size (I don't really see how the 5.7 could retain it's velocity in a 3" barrel, and without the velocity it's losing a lot of its wounding potential), so for CCW a lot of people would be better off with a compact 9 or .45.

That's not to say I don't like the round; I think its a fantastic idea. I don't personally own one though, because of the reason I ignored initially in my post. My compact 9, with trigger work and TFOs installed, and factoring in a holster, spare magazines, and a couple boxes of ammo, is still cheaper than a FiveseveN without all that, and it works. So while yes, I do think that for it's size the FiveseveN is a very nice gun, I think that what I have works well enough within my price range.

jonnyc
November 17, 2012, 11:21 AM
Eh. Not that exciting, interesting, or accurate. Shot a friend's a few times, but not anything I would ever go out of my way to shoot again..........or buy.

barnbwt
November 17, 2012, 04:29 PM
The biggest issue, however, is that because very few reputable manufacturers make something in 5.7x28mm, consumers aren't sure if it's a good idea. And because consumers aren't sure if it's a good idea, reputable manufacturer's are afraid to make it. You see the cycle?


Yup the deadly cycle of Cowardly Gun Buyer Capitalism :banghead:

Since companies will make anything for $ regardless of whether or not it works or is practical, the onus is really on the consumer to determine what should get made. But gun buyers are too scared to buy anything that isn't already a success; hence no progress and we're stuck shooting either 101 year old pistol designs, or identical clones of the last leap in materials science (but not firearms design) from 40 years ago (and the Glock itself uses materials that were developed over 70 years ago). The only innovation industry pushes is manufacturing (i.e. cost cutting).

Can you blame them? Why would S&W invest in R&D for anything but MIM if they know their customer base won't take a chance on it for 10+ years?

Luckily, we have a little thing called "Military Contracts" which sidesteps this whole process and allows for real innovation. Thanks to poor processes and nebulous decision-making, a military can basically choose to invest however much it thinks it wants into whatever it feels like funding, for however long it feels like :D

Though a loss for the tax-payer, ideas like the PS90 and Five-seveN get developed, and have a chance to compete in the marketplace; whereas an innovative company like Mateba with no DoD/MoD funding sees its products initially panned by wary buyers, and goes broke selling them at a loss almost immediately. We then learn ~5 years after production ceases that they've earnd a reputation for great accuracy, comfortable shooting, and superb worksmanship. Oh well... too late now:rolleyes:

Rant over; but as a guy who'd like to promote a design concept one day, this behavior is really aggravating :banghead:

TCB

Sam Cade
November 18, 2012, 03:04 AM
Though a loss for the tax-payer, ideas like the PS90 and Five-seveN get developed, and have a chance to compete in the marketplace;

Eh?
What are you talking about?

FNH isn't a taxpayer funded venture.

barnbwt
November 18, 2012, 12:04 PM
FNH developed the 5.7x28 solely to compete for the NATO PDW contect in the'80s. Civilian market forces would have never prompted them to attempt such a drastic departure from conventional design. The Five-seveN was also developed for the contract.

Though the contract fell through, FNH still received funding for development; not a great payoff for the member states' taxpayers in thisparticular case.
TCB

Sam Cade
November 18, 2012, 03:55 PM
Though the contract fell through, FNH still received funding for development;

How much funding did they receive?

Where did it come from?

Got cites?

Jaymo
November 18, 2012, 04:07 PM
The 5.7 round is fun to shoot. I'd love to have the pistol and carbine, but I don't have enough use for it to justify the cost.
Where I live, I can't use it for small game, and it's not a good deer round.
It would be nothing but a range toy for me.
I can't afford a range toy that expensive.
If Kel-Tec or Ruger made a 5.7 pistol, I'd seriously consider getting one.

.22 mag does a good job of punching through soft body armor, with fmj ammo.
7.62x25 does a great job of punching through body armor.
However, I have no need for that capability, so far.

I just wish I could find a PPS43 carbine.
The Tokarev round can also be loaded with .223 bullets, using sabots.
I can't use it for small game or deer, either. At least it's a lot less expensive.

In a perfect world, I could buy a brand new C96 Mauser chambered for 5.7.28.
Just my luck, it's not a perfect world.

Sam Cade
November 18, 2012, 06:35 PM
I can't afford a range toy that expensive.
If Kel-Tec or Ruger made a 5.7 pistol, I'd seriously consider getting one.


The MPA 5.7 and Excel Arms Accelerator 5.7 are both under $500.

Jaymo
November 18, 2012, 06:38 PM
Darn you (Sam Cade) enabler!! :)

Looking at the Accelerator had me convinced that Ruger should bring back the 10/22 mag, and chamber it for 5.7.
Make a 100 round drum for it and I'd be all over it.

Sam Cade
November 18, 2012, 06:52 PM
Darn you (Sam Cade) enabler!! :)


I do what I can. :D

Jaymo
November 18, 2012, 07:31 PM
Considering the fact that the Excel 5.7 rifle costs about half what an FN carbine does, I'm more likely to be able to afford one.

Orion8472
November 19, 2012, 11:35 AM
jonnyc said, "Eh. Not that exciting, interesting, or accurate. Shot a friend's a few times, but not anything I would ever go out of my way to shoot again..........or buy."


It may not be exciting/interesting to you, but I have benched mine and comes close to one ragged hole. If you do your part, it is very accurate. The priviledge of commerce is that you are free to purchase or not purchases as per your liking, but be sure to know all the information before making a critique that may not be all true.

Gunmaster
November 20, 2012, 01:06 AM
Shot it with 0 problems, except for the 30 rd promag not working (what a surprise). For the past couple months ammo supply has been dried up for no reason that I can imagine.

Taurus 617 CCW
November 20, 2012, 09:20 AM
I have shot one several times. To me, the recoil is similar to a Glock 19 or similar polymer framed pistol. Accuracy was good. It was fun to shoot but I am not usually in the $900 handgun market. My firearms usually serve more than one purpose and as others have said, the 5.7 would just be a range toy. I will stick to my .22's and 9mm's.

Pete D.
November 21, 2012, 08:30 AM
Eh. Not that exciting, interesting, or accurate. Shot a friend's a few times, but not anything I would ever go out of my way to shoot again..........or buy.
I have to take exception to at least part of that comment, the "not that.....accurate" part.
The FiveSeven, not a fanboy here..I call'em as I see'em....is as accurate as any custom CF semi auto. Here is a target that I shot while testing ammo. Benched at 100 yards
http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr287/PeteDoyle/lunapic-122441116248797.jpg
This was shot offhand
http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr287/PeteDoyle/FiveSevenat100yardsseated.jpg
Accurate enough.
Have a tendency to pop fliers up and to the right, don't I?

Trent
November 22, 2012, 09:03 PM
Someone actually said the FiveSeven wasn't accurate?

Anyone want to take the bet, and is within distance to meet up, it's on the table.

You can put a soda can out at 100 yards. Wager will be a full tank of fuel I'll hit it first shot.

Offhand.

:)

Taurus 617 CCW
November 23, 2012, 11:25 AM
I experienced no accuracy problems with the ones I have shot. The sights were rather tall but it shot to point of aim just fine.

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