[2dogs]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30812

The treachery of the French

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Posted: February 1, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com


Ever since Charles de Gaulle turned over French Algeria to the communist Arabs in 1962, forcing an exodus of over a million Europeans to metropolitan France, I've had nothing but contempt for France's foreign policy. That act of betrayal has had a profound effect on France's body politic – which has lacked integrity ever since.

It should be remembered that France conquered Algeria in the 1840s to stop the depredations of the Barbary thugs. Europeans then settled there by the hundreds of thousands, turning Algeria into a peaceful, thriving and productive part of the French empire.

And while Europeans took to the boats and fled Algeria – leaving behind farms, businesses and homes, Algeria became another socialist hell-hole. And so, Algerians have continued to migrate to France, finding it impossible to live in a country where Islamic terrorists slit the throats of children asleep in their beds.

Prior to de Gaulle's betrayal, France had been a strong ally of Israel, but when it surrendered Algeria to the Arabs, it then became pro-Arab. Thus, the French not only betrayed their own people in Algeria, but also the Christian Maronites in Lebanon as well as the Israelis.

It was the French who helped Saddam Hussein build the nuclear reactor, which the Israelis destroyed in 1981 in an amazingly skillful attack. "The central building is entirely collapsed," said one of the French technicians who flew back to Paris after the attack. "The atomic reactor is unreachable and the anti-radiation shield has disappeared." The Frenchman also reported that one of the bombs did not explode, thereby making it impossible to rebuild the reactor without first destroying everything that remains.

The technician complimented the Israelis on their skill. "The precision of the attack was stupefying. The Israelis chose their hour perfectly to avoid the maximum loss of human life."

Of course, Israel was condemned by the international community – the United Nations, Arabs and their sympathizers – for sparing the world a decade of nuclear threat from Saddam. When John Phillips, a Princeton student who had written a paper on how to build an atomic bomb, was approached by a Pakistani who wanted to buy his plan, he reported the incident to the FBI. He had no doubt that Iraq was building an atomic bomb with the technical help of the French. "France is the whore of nuclear proliferation," he said.

So it's no surprise that France, as of this writing, opposes President Bush's intention of getting rid of Saddam Hussein once and for all. Why? Are they actually helping Saddam build an atomic bomb in a clandestine way? Its chief use would be to threaten Israel. But that wouldn't bother the French. Their government has become a master of betrayal and it cannot be trusted because it has no moral standards, no moral backbone.

The glory of France is a thing of the past. Its brief period of great benign advance in the 19th century, when it built a brilliant colonial empire which liberated millions of Africans from disease and backwardness, came to an end when de Gaulle jettisoned the whole fabulous enterprise. And the result is an Africa in ruins and disease. De Gaulle, the destroyer, set France on its present path of wholesale betrayal of Western values. The country is now overrun by Muslims, and its philosophers have contributed the last chapter in the descent to philosophical insanity: deconstructionism.

France has become irrelevant to the great tasks that confront the Bush administration. Apart from providing us with fine perfumes, wines and cheeses, the French are incapable of saving Western civilization. Nor do they really want to. That job has been left to us.

[4v50 Gary]

I don't think the French ever got over not being the superpower of its day. When was that? Why, when Louis XIV was the king. L'estat, c'est moi. (Boney doesn't count. That island upstart couldn't speak the lingo without that Corsican accent).

[Art Eatman]

From the standpoint of having her own way in many of the world's more important affairs, France has done quite a credible job. What seems to stand out is that no matter the political philosophy of any of their leadership, they all work within a long-term framework for "The good of the Nation".

Would that our own so-called leadership had this sort of view.

Art

[M1911]

Came across this post over at Tactical Forums: Was watching the news last night and heard the best line so far regarding France not willing to back the Iraq attack. Since the program was on the CBC here in Canada, I was even more surprised that they left it in. It was made by Jed Babbin:

"BABBIN: Well, going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You get to leave a lot of useless noisy baggage behind. "
Here's the link:
Tactical Forums (http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000679.html)

[Art Eatman]

M1911, as I've commented elsewhere, France is presently the largest seller of goods to Iraq. Elf Oil, a French corporation, has more "deals" going with the UN in regard to Iraqi oil than any other oil company.

As usual, cherchez le $$$. Or, in this instance, the Franc.

Art

[El Tejon]

It's all about the Benjamins. Or, in France's case, all about the Charleses.:D

How can you bling (or support an enormous welfare state) without Iraqi money?

[M1911]

Art: Doesn't surprise me. Lots of folks point fingers at the US claiming we created and armed Saddam, when in reality pretty much all of his arms came from the Soviet Bloc and France.

[Wildalaska]

2 dogs....

At last we agree!

WildviveledifferenceAlaska

[cratz2]

France is probably more responsible for the making of more nuclear powers (contries) other than the former Soviet Union. I also wonder how many of our wars or 'encursions' since WWII have been directly related to the doings of France.

Money whores. No offense intended to or directed at our French-American members.

[M1911]

Cratz: who did they supply with nuclear technology besides the Israelis?

[Waitone]

Always, always follow the money in seeking explanations for state behavior.

--We have not clue, yet, as to the extent of French origins of the nuclear and oil infrastructure. French nuclear industry is all over the Iraqi re-build. They do not want the world to see how far along Iraq is with French complicity.

--France's national oil company as exclusive rights to develop an Iraqi field IIRC of 30 billion barrels. They stand to lose it all if the US does its thing.

--9% of the French population is Islamic. A sufficiently high percentage to give leadership pause when considering something like an invasion of an Islamic country; never mind Iraq is secular. I can imagine the social chaos created by a sizeable number of Islamists who decide to go to the streets.

--Last Thursday on FOX and Friends, Oliver North clearly and unambigiously stated intelligence briefs were being made all over Capitol Hill on intelligence the US had which had Jacques Chirac (Prime Minister of France) had received direct payments from Iraq. I have not seen any other reports. If true, it would explain a lot, and would not really be that inconsistent with Sadaam's behavior.

The French have everything to lose and a lot to gain by pitching in on this military endeavor. Whatever is driving French politics is strong. Time will tell us what is going on.

[cratz2]

Cratz: who did they supply with nuclear technology besides the Israelis?

Most of the middle east, north africa, southeast asia.

I guess I should have said "...the providing of information and knowledge on how to make nuclear devices..."

[mussi]

As usual, cherchez le $$$. Or, in this instance, the Franc.

Art, I really have to deceive you, but they use these pesky Euros too, now, and everybody feels he has to escape to Switzerland to deposit money.

[shu]

And the (Vichy) French fought so bravely, too-
- to repell the allied landing in North Africa in 1942.

[Destructo6]

My understanding, from watching the special on the History Channel about the Iraqi scientist who was in charge of their nuclear weapons program, that Iraq's reactor was built in France and shipped to them. Actually, it was damaged, mysteriously, shortly before its completion; Iraq suspected Israel.

From photos from the last rounds of inspections, it looks as though the French supplied the necessary equipment, at least, to produce the biological weapons. Bio-Lafitte, specifically.

http://www.maltec.dk/leverand/biolafitte/biolafitte.htm#pg

[PATH]

Over rated food. Over rated wine. Over rated as being cultured.
Women don't shave pits. Men don't bathe regularly. Jerry Lewis is a national hero. Military could not beat a girls volleyball team. Good at blowing up unarmed Green Peace boats.

Need I go on? Who cares what they do or think? The French are an irrelavancy!:D

[bad_dad_brad]

I agree. The French and let me include the Irish as well, are one of the most rascist groups of people I have ever studied. Unlike the Germans, they can't be converted. I think, it is that Celtic thing. The round heads are butt heads.

If I can remember properly, there is an old joke, about a European hell. I think it goes like this:

In European hell, the Germans are the policemen, the English the chefs, the French are the lovers, and the Italians are the auto mechanics. Well something like that.

I think one of the most interesting emerging European areas are central and eastern European countries. When it comes to weapons and women anyway. Check out that new Croatian XD! Quite the handgun. Czech CZ products are true quality. And Kyla Cole or Sylvia Saint, my goodness, what lovely women they are.

[PATH]

BRAD,

My mom is from Ireland! You are right about people not converting. Never have and never will. I don't see the Irish as racist and as snobby as the French. Ireland is a friendly place to visit. Go visit France and see how you are treated.

The Irish are not butt heads just a bit contrary at times.:neener:

I am told that 65% of all the Medals of Honor awarded in the US were awarded to Americans who were from, or whose descendents were from, that Isle of Saints and Scholars.

By the way the girls of the Czech Republic are probably the best looking on average. They make great firearms too!;)

[chaim]

Ireland is a friendly place to visit. So long as you don't wear a kippa (yarmulke). A man and his wife had reservations at a bed and breakfast type place and when they got there and the manager of the place saw that they were Jewish they were kicked out. They were told something kinda nasty that I won't repeat here either. It wasn't a very isolated incident from what I hear from Jews and Israelis who have visited over there recently. Still, better than France where people are being attacked- in fact a rabbi who was stabbed after receiving death threats is now being harassed by the police who want to make it look like he stabbed himself multiple times (and who decided that when his synagogue was burned down after months of arson threats that it was not arson).

[bad_dad_brad]

PATH,

Perhaps racist is a hard word, and I probably should have chosen a different term, but Celtics, I have found, have a certain type of hard headness that makes them a pain in the ***. There are, as well, Celtic enclaves, particularly in Poland, that reinforce this belief.

But I will second the emotion about eastern european women, wow! They have a unique genetic mix of classic northern european features with a bit of the steppe invading hun in their almond shaped eyes and high cheekbones. Lovely.

My dear departed wife was a round head Welsh strawberry blond Celtic. She was the biggest pain in the *** I have ever met. Great cook though. Great lay as well, but she was as bull headed as the days in June are long.

God I miss her.

[bad_dad_brad]

Ha! I noticed that some sort of silly software on posting *** the word arse in the American english spelling. So funny as they are censoring a word that is common in the Bible.

Hey, Jesus road an *** into Jerusalem the week before he was crucified. *** ***. Hey, software censor, *** is not a cuss word.

An *** is a stupid animal. A genetic cross between a horse and a burrow (donkey) that can not breed. And often described as a vain and stupid person, sort of like the person that decided *** needed to be shown as ***.

[PATH]

Chaim,

I am appalled by the treatment those people recieved. It is the height of ignorance to behave in that fashion. The founder of the Mossad was born and raised in Dublin and the mayor there a few years back was Jewish.

The early Irish even invented a story about themselves being the lost tribe. The Irish were very comfortable with the Old Testament.
I don't know why anti-semitism is on the rise but it is, as ia any form of bigotry, repulsive. I have several friends of the Jewish faith who viited Ireland and they were not treated in such a hostile fashion. I hope episodes as you described are the exception rather than the rule.

PATH

[2dogs]

2 dogs....

At last we agree!

Wildalaska

Say it ain't so, Wild, say it ain't so.;)

[Art Eatman]

mussi: Yeah, I know. Did you buy any Euro-denominated CDs a year or so back, using US dollars for the purchase? :D

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if, inside France, they referred to the Euro as a franc...Or say "Euro." and spit.

By the way, folks, don't sell the actual fighting units of French forces as wussies. They're some pretty tough folks. The Paras all think they're supposed to live up to their press releases, so they work pretty hard to be able to do that.

Art

[Wildalaska]

Say it ain't so, Wild, say it ain't so.

Dont worry wont happen again.

WildlastwordAlaska

[Hutch]

Heaven: Where the police are British, the lovers are Italians, the cooks are French, the mechanics are German, and it's all organized by the Swiss.

Hell: Where the police are German, the lovers are Swiss, the cooks are British, the mechanics are French, and it's all organized by the Italians.

Just to clear up an earlier post....

[chieftain]

Treachery and French is redundant!

Fred

[2dogs]

FRANCE: SADDAM'S ALLY




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February 4, 2003 -- CRITICS of President Bush say he has failed to rally our "traditional allies" - like France - to support his aggressive efforts to disarm Saddam Hussein. But since the Gulf War, in which France had token involvement, Paris has never been our ally where Iraq is concerned. Indeed, it has been more allied with Iraq than with us.
Throughout the '90s, France constantly pushed for the lifting of economic sanctions against Iraq. Bemoaning the fate of the Iraqi people, the French pushed to allow Saddam to sell oil on the global market (the so-called oil-for-food program). When America and Britain demanded tough controls on the funds from oil sales to be sure they did not go for arms, France objected that such controls would undermine Iraqi sovereignty.

Largely as a result of French pressure, the oil-for-food program was implemented, allowing Saddam to sell 500,000 barrels per day on the open market (about a sixth of his pre-war production).

But Saddam couldn't do much rearming with the oil money, because U.N. inspectors were looking over his shoulder. So in November 1997, he announced that he would bar Americans from the 77-member inspection team. The other inspectors withdrew in protest and solidarity with their American mates. The world was plunged into crisis. Once again, France took Saddam's side.

President Bill Clinton sent two aircraft carriers to the gulf and vowed that Saddam "must comply unconditionally with the will of the international community." French Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine criticized Clinton for giving Saddam the impression that "there would never be a way out of the tunnel [of sanctions]," even if he got rid of all his weapons programs."

France demanded an end to all sanctions and called for unlimited oil sales by Iraq. Then suddenly Saddam seemed to back down in the face of Clinton's pressure and admitted the U.S. inspectors back in.

Had there been concessions to Saddam? Oh no, said Deputy National Security Adviser Sandy Berger: "There's no deal. There's no concessions."

But the French knew better. As Vedrine said, "The Americans bent a little." Pushed by France, the United States agreed to let Saddam increase his oil sales, ultimately letting sales grow to 2 million barrels per day. A concession to Iraq? No way, said Clinton's people: It was a concession to France; we were not giving in to Saddam.

Then, the next year, Saddam barred all U.N. inspectors. The final nail in the coffin of controls on Iraq came in 1999 when, again as a result of a French initiative, all limits on Iraqi oil sales were lifted. With no U.N. inspectors to inhibit him and $20 million a day in oil revenues, Saddam could build whatever weapons he wanted. Courtesy of France.

The only consistency in French policy toward Iraq since the Gulf War has been support for Saddam Hussein to weaken U.N. and U.S. measures against him. To hinge U.S. action on Iraq on French acceptance is like asking for the approval of the old Soviet Union before we moved against communism.

Why is France so pro-Saddam? It's the motive (wrongly) ascribed as behind U.S. enmity toward him: oil. French commercial deals with Middle East terrorist states dominate its foreign policy. It was a French company that risked U.S. sanctions by investing in Iranian oil production and it is French interests that benefit from the tie with Saddam.

Some ally!

Eventually, France will cave to the U.S. position: To fail to do so would be to consign the Security Council, France's only forum for the exercise of global power, to irrelevance. Bush's people said as much over the weekend, noting that a new U.N. resolution approving force was OK with them, but it's not high on their agenda.

France needs the United Nations to appear to be in charge, so that the French veto can appear to be important - and France can appear to still be a world power.




http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/68214.htm

[M1911]

By the way, folks, don't sell the actual fighting units of French forces as wussies. They're some pretty tough folks.The foreign legion has a reputation as being a pretty tough bunch.

[Monkeyleg]

This just in from the wire service:


France Surrenders to Texas High School
CNSNews.com ^ | January 31, 2003 | David Burge, the Iowa Hawk


Paris (CNSNews.com) - What began as a six-day chaperoned music tour by a group of suburban Houston teenagers ended in an epic conquest in the pre-dawn hours of Friday morning as French military and government officials offered their unconditional surrender to students of the Aldine, Texas Eisenhower High School Music Department.


Accepting the surrender, Eisenhower High School Band and Choral Director Gary Baumer praised the French for avoiding further bloodshed and vowed an immediate postwar rebuilding effort.


"We hope to achieve national recovery by prom," said Baumer. "The seniors have voted for the theme "Springtime in Paris."


In a goodwill gesture, Baumer said the victorious students would soon begin releasing most of the 400,000 French prisoners of war they had captured during the brutal three-day campaign.


"We want the prisoners reunited with their families," said Justin Gonzales, a junior tenor in the Eisenhower Glee Chorus. "Besides, you can't even begin to imagine the smell."


Baumer also granted former government officials and their families safe passage out of the country. Former President Jacques Chirac was last seen boarding his private Airbus jet at Orly Airport, as the Eisenhower Jazz Ensemble taunted him with an off-key rendition of "Na Na Na Na (Hey Hey) Goodbye."


Chirac's plane was reportedly intercepted and escorted away by Royal Air Force fighter jets as it attempted to enter British air space. According to sources familiar with Britain's MI2 intelligence service, Chirac has accepted exile in Iraq.


Details of the Franco-American conflict were still emerging Friday morning, but British and American intelligence sources indicated the confrontation was prompted by the dismissive sneers of French onlookers as the Eisenhower Lady Madrigals performed 'The Greatest Love of All' at a Paris park.


"It may not sound like much, but after three days of smelly French cigarettes and being called 'cowboys' and 'arrogant' and 'stupid' and stuff, it finally gets to you," said Megan Prosser, a sophomore alto who led the initial charge. "Basically, we just snapped."


Those who have seen the videotapes of the Wednesday charge described it as "disturbing."


"It is said the French oppose war because they know first hand its horror," said Edward Krohn of the Naval War College. "When I see hundreds of grown French men being beaten senseless by Texas schoolgirls, I completely see their point."


By the time the Eisenhower Boys Barbershop Chorale learned of the melee, the Lady Madrigals had already captured Paris' Second, Third and Fifth Arrondisments.


"It became sort of like a game," explained senior baritone Kevin Wilkes. "Like Ghost Recon , except the other guy just wets himself and runs away. We just wanted to win more ground than the girls and I guess it got out of hand."


When dawn broke Friday, the students had swept north to Calais, blocking the English Channel for would-be French escapees.


Plagued by massive desertions and too-firm brie rations, the French army and Legion Etranger were ready to collapse by Thursday morning, but held out another 12 hours after receiving reinforcements from a group of 15 volunteer human shields from the United States.


Led by filmmaker Michael Moore, the group vowed to "use our own bodies to block American high school imperialism and colonialism," and asked the French to "show us your solidarity with pastry, and some good butter."


Moore was later taken into custody after an Eisenhower PsyOps agent mesmerized him with a box of the band's fundraising chocolate bars.


Amid panic and widespread wine shortages, President Chirac called Washington Thursday evening to request emergency U.S. military support for the crumbling nation.


White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said President Bush vowed to "immediately send Secretary of State Powell to the United Nations to request the scheduling of a vote for the formulation of a committee to create an investigative team, at the earliest possible convenience."


The assault continued into the night Thursday as various forces of the school's performing arts department formed sweeping attack columns: Glee Club to the Pyrennes, Swing Band and Wind Ensemble to the Mediterranean, Symphonic Band to the Rhein. By early Friday morning, the fighting had largely ended.


"We kept hearing about some French resistance," said Baumer. "Apparently that was a myth."


Despite the furious action, casualties were low with no reported deaths. Some two million French remain hospitalized with minor injuries sustained while bowing, scraping, pleading and running away. Six of the 135 Eisenhower students were treated for injuries related to foot blisters and excessive kissing.


The swift rout of Europe's second largest military force caught many in the international diplomatic community by surprise.


United Nations Secretary General Koffi Annan convened an emergency meeting of the General Assembly late Thursday to consider whether teen-occupied France would retain its seat on the UN Security Council.


A member of the Dutch delegation, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the country had sufficient votes to retain council membership because "international stability is paramount when considering American teenagers with nuclear weapons."


By mid-morning Friday, more than 40 countries had contacted Baumer to offer congratulations and request formal diplomatic ties, but as many as 100 world leaders expressed concern over prank phone calls from students. Particularly hard-hit was President Uthai Partasuk Jaat of Thailand.


While normalization continues, there remains widespread confusion of the crisis and its effect on volatile world hotspots such as Iraq, Iran, Israel and North Korea.


On Friday, it remained unclear what the name of the new country would be. Baumer said the victorious band and choir members were evenly split between 'France Junior' and 'Eagle Country,' in honor of the Eisenhower school nickname.


Raucous celebrations followed news of the French surrender, as dozens of Eisenhower students tossed rolls of toilet paper at the barren elms along the Champs Elysses and staged drag races through the Arc de Triomphe, mooning the populace through the windows of commandeered Citroens. Others unfurled a huge banner from the Eiffel Tower declaring "EHS Rulez, EU Droolz".


The revelry led Baumer to issue a stern reprimand to the students, warning of consequence including "UN sanctions, or even possibly a note home to your parents."


In Aldine, disciplinary notes seemed unlikely to dampen the enthusiasm of parents and families of the triumphant Eisenhower music students. Hundreds of local residents followed the action on television, and the conquest of the Gallic land mass has become a point of civic pride.


"Beating France is the biggest win for Eisenhower since we beat Conroe Judson in the '88 Super-sectionals," says longtime resident Wayne McDaniel, president of the Eisenhower Eagle Booster Club. "We're planning a big wing-ding when they get back."


Activities planned for the commemoration include a parade, as well as what McDaniel called "a very big plaque," at the Aldine Kiwanis hall.


"Although, we might have to wait on that for a while," added McDaniel. "We're having a bake sale and car wash to send the football team to Germany."

[CZ-75]

The foreign legion has a reputation as being a pretty tough bunch.

Name says it all. They are foreigners, majority of whom are Germans. Officers are French.

[chieftain]

The French Foreign Legion is tough, as long as they are winning.

Just reread, Hell in a very small Place. The siege of Dien Bien Phu, by Bernard B. Fall.

The legionnaires that fought fought well, but many deserted in the face of the enemy!

I wouldn't allow that in my outfit, I sure as hell don't consider any outfit that has many a crack unit!

go figure the French.

The French Para's didn't desert.

as I said the French, right in there with the Italians.

Fred

[Pawcatch]

Name says it all.They are foreigners,majority of whom are Germans.The officers are French.

There aren't many Germans in the Legion today.According to the information on Robert Young Pelton's website about half of the new recruits come from eastern Europe.Particularly Russia and former Yugoslavia.Todays legion also has many french speaking west Africans.

If we are talking about actual French groups then the CRS police are worth mentioning..They have quite a reputaion.