CCI Shotshells Discontinued?


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gbw
November 16, 2012, 12:38 PM
Sorry if this has been covered, but have these been discontinued?

Most often I have a Kel-Tec PF9, it's the overall best compromise for a ccw for me - reliable, concealable, light, powerful, inexpensive & easy to carry. Ideal for me.

Walking around the place I have a couple of 9mm shotshells in the magazine but Midway and Brownells show them discontinued!!

If so, are the other calibers still available?

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ForumSurfer
November 16, 2012, 12:57 PM
The website still lists them.

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/products.aspx

Had an incident last weekend while testing the pattern size from various 22 barrel lengths where a lone pellet came back and smacked me in the forehead. It reminded me why I wear shooting glasses.

DPris
November 16, 2012, 02:44 PM
GB,
Do they actually cycle in that pistol?
Denis

CPO15
November 16, 2012, 02:46 PM
Dear Lord, first Twinkies; now snakeshot....

gbw
November 16, 2012, 03:11 PM
No, they don't, but they don't need to for my uses. Hand cycling is fine, after the first one if another is needed the snake isn't going anywhere very fast. BTW, I only shoot venomous snakes and then only if they are near the house.

Only auto snakeshot I know of to cycle an auto is CCI .45 in Star PD pistols - they do cycle quite reliably.

I know the CCI site lists them, but nobody has any...and most say they've been discontinued by mfr.

Salmoneye
November 16, 2012, 03:20 PM
CCI commercially loads the Speer shot capsules...

Cut out the middle man, buy the capsules, and load your own...

Or you can load shot the way some of us do with a cut over-powder card, a few grains of fast powder (I use Red Dot, THIS INFO IS FOR .357 ONLY), some shot borrowed from a promo load shogun shell, and an over-shot card sealed with a little school glue...

DPris
November 16, 2012, 04:09 PM
There are some pistols the stuff will cycle in, most don't.
Denis

2zulu1
November 16, 2012, 04:56 PM
After three hits on a Diamondback from about three feet away failed to kill it, I stopped carrying snake shot and went back to the old fashioned way of shooting behind the head.

gbw
November 16, 2012, 06:44 PM
I'm really only interested in learning whether or not CCI still makes 9mm and other shotshells.

However...

Speer doesn't make 9mm capsules that I know of.

I'd prefer to keep using the Kel-Tec. The home-grown method isn't too useful for 9mm or other autos, the brass is too short. Also I use very few of them so it isn't worth the time involved. Are there venemous snakes in Vermont?

CCI 9mm shotshells kill reliably in my experience within their range, which is somewhat farther than 3 feet. If a followup solid is needed it can be taken at leisure as the snake won't be moving. I don't know anyone who can reliably hit a moving snake behind the head with a handgun from a safe distance. Lastly, a shotshell removes the likelyhood of ricochet to any distance.

gp911
November 17, 2012, 12:00 AM
I had a bad experience with their .45LC shot loads. Fired a couple shots and the gun got tied up because the cases were a little undersized and slipped back & forth in the cylinder. The target was nicely chewed up, but if they make the gun unreliable I'll take the extra couple seconds for a hit with a regular bullet.

greyling22
November 17, 2012, 12:24 AM
Vizzini: Pick up one of those rocks, get behind the boulder. In a few minutes, the man in black will come running around the bend. The minute his head is in view, HIT IT WITH THE ROCK!

just substitute "snake" in for "man in black with"

Bigg Jimm
November 17, 2012, 12:43 AM
The CCI snakeshot cycles just fine in my stock SW40VE. Patterns well at reasonable distances. But man are they LOUD!!!


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C0untZer0
November 17, 2012, 12:46 AM
The Charter Arms 9mm PITBULL is going to swoop right in on this niche market :D

2zulu1
November 17, 2012, 01:32 AM
I'm really only interested in learning whether or not CCI still makes 9mm and other shotshells.

However...

Speer doesn't make 9mm capsules that I know of.

I'd prefer to keep using the Kel-Tec. The home-grown method isn't too useful for 9mm or other autos, the brass is too short. Also I use very few of them so it isn't worth the time involved. Are there venemous snakes in Vermont?

CCI 9mm shotshells kill reliably in my experience within their range, which is somewhat farther than 3 feet. If a followup solid is needed it can be taken at leisure as the snake won't be moving. I don't know anyone who can reliably hit a moving snake behind the head with a handgun from a safe distance. Lastly, a shotshell removes the likelyhood of ricochet to any distance.
Don't have pics of all the rattlers I've shot, since you're talking about 9mm; in the grass is the sight picture I had of rattler coiling back and getting ready to strike, by the front door:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g474/aztrekker511/2012-08-05_18-40-57_741.jpg

I had returned from town and was still carrying my Browning Hi-Power loaded with 124gr HSTs, sun had set and light was fading fast. The BHP is a superb pointer, since the Mojave rattler was coiled, shot took its head off and broke its spine underneath where the head was:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g474/aztrekker511/2012-08-05_18-50-55_119.jpg

Mojave rattlers are the bad boys of the desert, actually North America. Their venom is toxic to both the blood and nervous systems; all rattler bites in Arizona require immediate ER treatment.

Timing the shot is critical when stepping toward an aggressive rattler, typically the shot is single handed and w/o sights. Given the four legged vermin here, snake shot in the chamber is not recommended. :)

Weevil
November 17, 2012, 01:37 AM
Midway shows them out of stock but are expecting more in January.

Date expected in stock: 01/17/2013

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/973076/cci-shotshell-ammunition-9mm-luger-53-grains-12-shot-box-of-10


Where did you see they were discontinued???

Inebriated
November 17, 2012, 02:59 AM
Given the four legged vermin here, snake shot in the chamber is not recommended.

Sounds like a 12 gauge is what's recommended there. lol

ccsniper
November 17, 2012, 03:07 AM
No, they don't, but they don't need to for my uses. Hand cycling is fine, after the first one if another is needed the snake isn't going anywhere very fast. BTW, I only shoot venomous snakes and then only if they are near the house.

+1 I see far too many people shooting non venomous snakes for no other reason than "its a snake kill it".

gbw
November 17, 2012, 03:42 AM
This link from Midway shows them discontinued. Midway seems confused? Or perhaps there is a different version available in January.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/709816/cci-shotshell-ammunition-9mm-luger-64-grain-11-shot-box-of-10

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/64451

Inebriated
November 17, 2012, 03:55 AM
All I did was click "9mm luger", "Shotshell", and then it showed up correctly.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/973076/cci-shotshell-ammunition-9mm-luger-53-grains-12-shot-box-of-10

Salmoneye
November 17, 2012, 07:58 AM
Are there venemous snakes in Vermont?

Yes, Timber Rattlers...But they are protected...

What we do have are lots of farms with rat problems, bunnies in gardens, red squirrels in the eaves of our houses, cocky grouse sitting on a branch tempting us during deer season, etc...

'Snake Shot' is called 'Rat Shot' around here, and people I know load them a 'tad' warmer than CCI does...In fact, the load recipes that come on the box of the Speer Capsules are really warm compared to the bland CCI fodder...

I load a mix of 6 and 8 shot, and get more weight in a .357 case than CCI does in the Speer capsules they load...

15-20 feet on a rat is perfectly possible with my .357 loads, and add another 5+ feet for my .44 Mag loads...

There are posts around here somewhere from a guy that makes 'shotshell' cases from .357 Max, and .445 for his revolvers...They are full length of his cylinders, and hold lots more shot...

I'd love a dozen of each, but as of yet have not fallen into the cases...

Miked7762
November 17, 2012, 07:10 PM
This link from Midway shows them discontinued. Midway seems confused? Or perhaps there is a different version available in January.

Yes, they are different versions of shot size and quantity. Looks like CCI has pared their shotshell line down.

berettaprofessor
November 17, 2012, 07:31 PM
Yes, Timber Rattlers...But they are protected...

Please tell me you're kidding....:what:

Salmoneye
November 17, 2012, 08:26 PM
Yes, Timber Rattlers...But they are protected...

Please tell me you're kidding....

Status

This species has a state natural heritage rank of S1 (rare). The Timber Rattlesnake has been designated a Species of Greatest Conservation Need (high priority) in Vermontís Wildlife Action Plan and is endangered in Vermont. Please report all sightings of this species in Vermont. Take photos if possible. Even historic sighting information is useful.

http://community.middlebury.edu/~herpatlas/spp_pages/sppC-horridus.php

http://screen.yahoo.com/vermont-s-endangered-rattlesnakes-28833690.html

While I can find no definitive page that says I can not kill one, I have been verbally 'warned' by DNR not to...

LongTimeGone
November 18, 2012, 07:48 PM
TargetSports has them in stock. I noticed when buying a case of CCI SV.

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-891-cci-22-long-rifle-31-grain-12-shot-shotshell-ammunition.aspx

Owen Sparks
November 18, 2012, 09:19 PM
Why would anyone in Vermont WANT timber rattlers in their state?

Swing
November 18, 2012, 10:51 PM
Dear Lord, first Twinkies; now snakeshot....

Ah-ha-ah! No love for Twinkies here, but gotsa have the snakeshot.

ZGunner
November 20, 2012, 11:22 PM
I know the thread was wondering more about availability than performance but I figured I'd share my experience since it might benifit the OP.

I've have some 9mm snakeshot for a while now but haven't shot it for fear of tearing up my barrel. But this past weekend I finally got out and shot it in my least favorite and least reliable pistol, my Kel-Tec PF9. First I started with my control (7 rnds Rem UMC) - no problem. Then I went ahead and tried the shotshells. First three shot fine (about 1 ft spread at 5 paces) but on the 4th I had a FTE. Reracked fired the next fine and the last 2 were FTE's. So for shooting snakes they would work fine, but I would prefer a 12 guage. I just hate snakes so much, I prefer to disbatch them with extreme prejudice.

Something else of note is the amount of particles left in the barrel. I would not fire regular ball before at least running a brush or mop down the bore.

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