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TheBigAR2003
November 16, 2012, 03:21 PM
Shot my first deer this year during gun season and bp season is coming up and i have no bp rifles so was thinking of taking my walker or 1860 out and hunting with that. Any thoughts or ideas? What have you guys used and what have you taken with bp pistols?

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PRM
November 16, 2012, 04:25 PM
I definitely think the Walker will do the job. I've never tried to take a deer with a C&B pistol - my BP pistol hunting has been limited to smaller game like rabbits..., using my .36s. I did take out a coy dog that was a little to close to the house some years back.

I would be more concerned with shot placement at the distance you would be trying to take a deer.

shafter
November 16, 2012, 05:05 PM
The Walker would definitely be adequate within reasonable distances. I bet the 1860 would do the trick too with good shot placement at very close range. I'd probably just stick with the Walker.

Patocazador
November 16, 2012, 05:43 PM
Shoot the one that handles big bullets best and is the most accurate.

I got my first with my ROA this year. 255 gr. cast bullet with 30 gr. of FFFG. Only went about 50-60 yards.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll33/docjawbraker/3ptFE10-12aWEB.jpg

Hellgate
November 17, 2012, 09:00 AM
The Walker would be my choice. Longer sight radius for a better aim and more "umph". The two walkers I used shot about 3" high @ 50ft. I cut the notches a little deeper and wider (more "u" shaped for a better sight picture). They handled more rifle like, steadier too.

MCgunner
November 17, 2012, 11:29 AM
If you're accurate enough with it, you'll have the power necessary.

I'm going to do it sometime with my ROA. I'll load a 220 Lee conical HP (hope it's enough) over a full charge of 777. It pushes 1300 fps and is deadly accurate, should hit like the hammer of Thor inside 50 yards.

Patocazador
November 17, 2012, 05:19 PM
If you're accurate enough with it, you'll have the power necessary.

I'm going to do it sometime with my ROA. I'll load a 220 Lee conical HP (hope it's enough) over a full charge of 777. It pushes 1300 fps and is deadly accurate, should hit like the hammer of Thor inside 50 yards.
The hotter loads in my ROA like 45 grs. of 4FG show lousy accuracy and BIG groups. However, I'm not going to crud up my ROA with 777. I fired some loads with a combo of BlackHorn 209 with 4FG under the nipples but got mostly hangfires. The few that went off without a hangfire were very accurate.

MCgunner
November 17, 2012, 07:59 PM
I've yet to find a load that won't shoot at least 2" at 25 yards benched in the ROA. It's an amazing revolver.

777 cleans up a lot easier than BP or Pyrodex. Less gooy crud, just a light powder looking fouling that flushes with soapy water.

Zeke/PA
November 17, 2012, 08:26 PM
I shot ONLY one deer with my super accurate Old Army.
I was climbing into my treestand one morning with my T/C Hawkin still on the ground attached to my pullup rope.
My ROA was in my shoulder holster and a very large Whitetail Doe presented herself.
A home cast ball over 30 grs of FFFG quickly dispatched the said doe.
Since then, different regulations in various States have taken place regarding BP handguns.
It might be wise to check the regs in your State.

StrawHat
November 17, 2012, 10:55 PM
Is the use of a C&B revolver legal in your state? It is not in Ohio and a couple of others. If it is legal, whichever one you are most accurate with will do the job.

MCgunner
November 18, 2012, 12:07 AM
Sux to be in Ohio

rodwha
November 18, 2012, 11:28 AM
Zeke: I'm curious about your doe shot with RB. What was the distance? What was the wound like? Did the ball expand any? How far did it penetrate? How far did the deer go before expiring? What powder were you using?

I bought 240 grn RNFP bullets and Triple 7 to use for hunting as we have hogs around here. Our deer, around here, are quite small (75-125 lbs), and I figure a RB would be plenty for them.

Zeke/PA
November 18, 2012, 12:16 PM
rodwha,
As stated before, I was in my treestand preparing to pull up my TC Hawkin when the deer appeared.
I simply sat on the platform with my back against the tree, ROA rested between my knees.
The ball hit the deer behind the ears, she fell and never moved.
30 Grains of FFFG.
Range of about 15 yards.
Ball went clear through the animal

Crawdad1
November 19, 2012, 01:24 AM
Convert one of the two into a 45 long colt with an R&D conversion cylinder. You'll have enough.

Patocazador
November 19, 2012, 05:50 AM
Convert one of the two into a 45 long colt with an R&D conversion cylinder. You'll have enough.
I don't think any BP seasons allow cartridge use even if it's black powder in the cartridge.

See the OP.

MCgunner
November 19, 2012, 12:05 PM
My Old Army doesn't lack much horsepower on my Blackhawk when using their hot loads. The Blackhawk is a 4 5/8" gun and puts a 300 grain XTP out at 1120 fps with my hot load. The Old Army shoots a 220 conical hollow point out at 1300 fps. However, I do have a bit more confidence in the XTP bullet. Regardless, I think the Old Army with 777 and the 220 is enough and I'm-a-gonna try it in the future. I've thought about it for 30 years before 777 came along. Now, I have some POWER in the gun. :D

Zeke/PA
November 21, 2012, 11:38 AM
I have killed 4 other deer with my Super Blackhawk .44 Mag with similiar results.
Treestand,my butt on the platform, pistol rested between my knees, range no longer than 15 yards,neck shots.
Load? 11 grains of Unique behind a Speer 240 Jacketed Hollow Point.
I really do not want to be persived as a "stunt" shooter but rather one who knows his limitations.

ridgerunner1965
November 22, 2012, 11:09 PM
if you are in MO, there is a new reg that allows the use of centerfire cartridge handguns during muzzeloader season. just thought id throw that out there.

faustopph
November 22, 2012, 11:41 PM
If you use enough T7 and a wad with a round ball on top to just clear the front of the cylinder,you won't be lacking in power for deer or hog.
You can fit more powder in a percussion cylinder than in a .45 colt cartridge.

mykeal
November 23, 2012, 08:07 AM
If you use enough T7 and a wad with a round ball on top to just clear the front of the cylinder,you won't be lacking in power for deer or hog.
And your accuracy will suffer so your effective range will decrease.

faustopph
November 23, 2012, 11:22 AM
You have to stay within your and your loads limitations. If you can keep your shots on a paper plate at 40 yds. and you hunt in tight cover where your shots will be less than that what's the problem.

No the limitations for what you are doing.The made up example above is just that a made up example , but it would work .

mykeal
November 23, 2012, 12:17 PM
what's the problem
Simple. Full chamber loads are inaccurate and unnecessary.

If you have to load the gun up to where it's no longer accurate in order to get sufficient power the you're using the wrong gun. If you don't have to load it up, why would you intentionally make the gun less accurate?

Just don't do it; then you won't have to limit your range.

arcticap
November 23, 2012, 12:41 PM
Archery deer hunting also has a similar limited range.
And deer can even "jump the string" by ducking an arrow to evade being killed.
Yet no one would criticize anyone or recommend not to archery deer hunt.
Whether using a C&B or archery, hunting is a sport where it's man against nature. Either man or nature will win, the one with the better skills and performance between the two during the act of shooting.
If the hunter fails then there should be no shame in trying.
That only means that nature won that round.
But the hunter continues hunting on with hopes to defeat the next animal knowing well that practice helps to makes perfect. :)

TheBigAR2003
November 23, 2012, 12:42 PM
ya in missouri you can use any muzzleloading firearm for gun and muzzleloading seasons
i think i might just start looking at getting a bp rifle for hunting

faustopph
November 23, 2012, 01:03 PM
Not all are inaccurate with full loads. Again you have to know what you have and all variables in your particular situation.

mykeal,I don't think you or I can assume all of anything and why would you load for just enough to do the job? That would leave way to much for the possibility of an oops not enough moment.

mykeal
November 23, 2012, 08:58 PM
Not all are inaccurate with full loads.
In over 30 years of black powder shooting with revolvers, i've never, ever found any that did not lose accuracy with a full chamber load. None. Ever. If you know of one, please publish the details.
I don't think you or I can assume all of anything
It's not an assumption. It's empirical.
why would you load for just enough to do the job
I don't, and I don't believe I said any such thing. I test every gun for the most accurate load and that's what I use. And in EVERY test I've ever done, on dozens of revolvers, the full chamber load was NEVER the most accurate.

RWMC
November 23, 2012, 10:51 PM
As in the words of Clint Eastwood/Dirty Harry, "A mans' gotta know his limitations." Figure out the maximum distance you can keep all six shots on a paper plate, shoot while standing, not using a rest. Once you have accomplished this, stick to your range limitation. The best I could do was 30 yards. I don't claim to be an expert shot, but I do know what I can and cannot do with my handguns, and I do not cross that line. Hope this helps.

MCgunner
November 23, 2012, 11:01 PM
As in the words of Clint Eastwood/Dirty Harry, "A mans' gotta know his limitations." Figure out the maximum distance you can keep all six shots on a paper plate, shoot while standing, not using a rest.

I must say, I will NEVER, EVER shoot off hand at much range with a handgun at deer, no matter the handgun. I've made shots at 60 yards with a .357 magnum, one at 90 with my .30-30 Contender, used a rest to do it. I've passed on off hand shots beyond 25 yards. "ALWAYS use a rest, boy!" Them's my grandpa's words echoing back to me from 1963 when I shot my first with a .257 Roberts. If I should always use a rest with a rifle, why should I then shoot off hand with a handgun? Now, I've made shots off hand RUNNING at 50 yards, that' I've done with a rifle several times. But, with a handgun, I will ALWAYS heed my grandpa's instructions. I can't make those running 50 yard shots off hand with a handgun. 25 yards static is about the limit. You don't get no points for style shooting off hand, nobody there, but you and the game. I want a clean kill with a well placed shot, myself.

SO, I practice for handgun hunting like I shoot in the field, off my shooting stick, cross stix, blind rest, whatever, but rested. I shoot a lot off hand, for fun, but in the field I have some kind of a rest, always. Most I've ever done on game off hand with a pistol is leaning back against a tree shooting off my knees at 50 yard squirrel with an accurate .22 pistol. Now, if you consider shooting from a rest "cheatin'", well then, I happily cheat. :D

MCgunner
November 23, 2012, 11:10 PM
Not all are inaccurate with full loads. Again you have to know what you have and all variables in your particular situation.

I think I said it earlier, but my Remmy and my '51 shoot best with lighter loads. HOWEVER, the gun I would hunt with, my ROA, doesn't seem to care. It shoots into 2" or less with whatever load I shoot out of it, for deer hunting would be a fully compressed charge of 777 and a 220 Lee hollow point conical. THAT gun just is NOT inaccurate unless the shooter is. :D

RWMC
November 24, 2012, 03:24 PM
I should have clarified my statement about not using a rest during practice. My reasoning behind this is so just in case you find yourself in a situation where a deer shows up at the right time, but at the wrong place, (no tree, fence post, boulder to provide a rest, and you didn't bring your hiking or shooting stick - have been there, and done that) you could still, with confidence, take the shot and bring home the bacon! Believe me when I say, there was absolutely not one ounce of " I don't shoot from a rest because I'm a good shot ," mentality ever intended. Sorry if anyone took it that way.

MCgunner
November 24, 2012, 07:47 PM
Sorry, didn't quite understand and I have seen the attitude on this board that you "don't shoot BP revolvers except one handed" let alone off hand. :D That's okay for beer cans, but deer or even hogs deserve a clean kill. I wouldn't stretch range of even a ROA or Walker much beyond your self imposed off hand 30 yard limit, anyway. 50 MAX. But, you can get those shots in the woods. :D

faustopph
November 25, 2012, 11:31 AM
Again. Know your limitations and your choice of tool for the job at hand.
As far as Cap and ball revolvers that can shoot hunting accurate with a full chamber load.Why would you hunt with anything less? Why would you own one ? It would be my parts gun. That would be like loading your self-defense firearm with paper punching squib loads.
In my 28 years of shooting cap and ball revolvers and almost 40 of other firearms.I don't keep one that can't hunt or be used for self-defense.

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