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parsimonious_instead
November 17, 2012, 07:37 AM
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/do-not-reinstate-federal-assault-weapons-ban-1994/sC09SX1l

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hso
November 17, 2012, 08:16 AM
How this works is if enough people sign on to this "petition" it goes to the White House.

Whether you support GOA, NRA, 2nd A Foundation, Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian, Cynic or Optimist, here's an opportunity for ALL of us to send a clear focused message that any version of an AWB isn't wanted.

GBExpat
November 17, 2012, 08:39 AM
Petition signed ...

For other N00bs to this process ... on the Petitions webpage you will have to "create an account" ... fields to input First, Last, Email addy and Zip code ... you will receive an email with a URL or Link of where to respond ... that URL/Link takes you back to the webpage so that you can "sign" the Petition.

Only takes a couple of minutes. :)

ole farmerbuck
November 17, 2012, 08:46 AM
Waiting on their email.

heavydluxe
November 17, 2012, 09:08 AM
Signed. Though I do wish the author had struck a different tone and scratched that last sentence.

Axel Larson
November 17, 2012, 09:12 AM
Signed.

robertn
November 17, 2012, 10:09 AM
Signed...

fanchisimo
November 17, 2012, 10:15 AM
Signed

ATBackPackin
November 17, 2012, 10:19 AM
Signed

USAF_Vet
November 17, 2012, 10:20 AM
Is there a plan to reinstate the AWB of 1994? I assumed they would write up something complete new. If the president or anyone else ever sees this petition, they can honestly say they did exactly what the petition asked and did not reinstate the old AWB, but came up with a new one. Seems like nitpicking semantics, but who is better at doing just that than the fed.gov?

Signed, FWIW.

Zane
November 17, 2012, 10:25 AM
It isn't so much that they can pull a lawyer move, but that they will make an official reply to the petition. It basically forces them to go on record.

fanchisimo
November 17, 2012, 10:26 AM
USAF Vet, I would hope that they would see that the general feeling is that no AWB should be passed. But hope in one hand...

r1derbike
November 17, 2012, 11:29 AM
Agreed, the wording could have taken some upscale massaging, but signed it anyway.

So now, if we weren't already, we're on a "to be watched list" brought to you by our tax dollars, hard at work, in the pursuit of truth, justice, and the American way.

Still clinging to my lead-slingers and religion...

radiotom
November 17, 2012, 11:35 AM
Signed. Sent to the rest of the family too...

ExTank
November 17, 2012, 11:58 AM
Signed.

Tommygunn
November 17, 2012, 12:15 PM
Signed.

Axel Larson
November 17, 2012, 12:24 PM
anyone post this on other forums, ar15, glocktalk etc?

dogtown tom
November 17, 2012, 12:37 PM
parsimonious_instead https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...-1994/sC09SX1l

For what it's worth...
It's worthless, just like all online "petitions" this is no more than a popularity contest. Heck "voting" by phone on American Idol is more likely to get an outcome than Whitehouse.gov surveys.

Seriously folks.............do you REALLY believe that an online petition will somehow result in change? If you do, fine. But please show where a single petition resulted in a change to law.

Me? I think one email or letter to my elected Congressman carries more weight than 1,000 "likes" on Facbook or 500,000 signatures on an online "petition".

These Whitehouse.gov petitions carry ZERO credibility and are merely a way for the administration to say they are listening to the people.

Steel Horse Rider
November 17, 2012, 01:16 PM
It is also handy that folks self-identify for future use.

Yo Mama
November 17, 2012, 01:29 PM
Signed, fun to hit refresh every few seconds and find a couple more signatures added.

Kush
November 17, 2012, 02:15 PM
Signed. Also, they should really have moderators on there to clear out some of the ridiculous petitions that people post, such as:

Establish new legal system of motorcycle riding "Judges" who serve as police, judge, jury, and executioner all in one. For those who think that Judge Dredd is actually a guide on how to run the justice system.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/establish-new-legal-system-motorcycle-riding-judges-who-serve-police-judge-jury-and-executioner-all/QS9sBWBc

Build a statue of Master Chief Petty Officer Spartan John-117 on the lawn of the White House. For those who really really like the the Halo video games.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/build-statue-master-chief-petty-officer-spartan-john-117-lawn-white-house/SlnRCpqH

snakeman
November 17, 2012, 02:21 PM
I just signed it

Dnaltrop
November 17, 2012, 05:23 PM
Signed and Forwarded.

Twiki357
November 18, 2012, 01:48 AM
I tried to sign it, but that socialist won't let me creat an accout so that I can.

Sam Cade
November 18, 2012, 02:56 AM
On-line petitions are not an efficacious method of leveraging your social capital.

MachIVshooter
November 18, 2012, 03:20 AM
Signed. Wife signed. Forwarded to everyone I know.


It is also handy that folks self-identify for future use.

Your tin foil is a little tight.

ol' scratch
November 18, 2012, 08:18 PM
Signed.

Iggy
November 18, 2012, 08:29 PM
Oh boy is Special Agent Smuckatelli gonna have fun with this one.:evil:

7mmsavage
November 18, 2012, 09:02 PM
I signed. Sill a long way to go before Dec. 13.

bowserb
November 19, 2012, 09:24 AM
I'm as much in favor of speaking up for our rights as the next guy. I have a hard time, though, thinking of anything good that could come from 25,000+ people signing this petition. The president is already on the record as favoring an AWB--and btw, if you weren't around in 1994, you should look up the AWB and see just exactly how it declared a rifle to be an assault weapon, in addition to the list of specific firearms.

When a bill comes up, it will be in the news, so then write your congressman and senators. Signing this petition at the White House, will just give the liberals a list of 25,000 "gun nuts". It will probably also get you on a list of potentially dangerous people. If you've already signed, watch and see if there's not a black Suburban passing your house once a week from now on!

A better idea is to just get on the whitehouse.gov email list for several pertinent topics. That will just identify you as a concerned citizen, and getting the emails gives you an idea what kind of things the president is likely to be supporting.

heavydluxe
November 19, 2012, 12:34 PM
When a bill comes up, it will be in the news, so then write your congressman and senators. Signing this petition at the White House, will just give the liberals a list of 25,000 "gun nuts". It will probably also get you on a list of potentially dangerous people. If you've already signed, watch and see if there's not a black Suburban passing your house once a week from now on!

Uh. Last time I bought a firearm, I had to provide a lot of personal information which was subsequently verified as 'safe for sale' by a government agency. I think they already have me on whatever list exists.

Is this petition efficacious? Probably not. That doesn't make it a bad thing, though.

Your tin foil is a little tight.

You have to keep them snug... Otherwise, they shift around when you move and it can be pointy and uncomfortable.

winterhorse290
November 19, 2012, 12:46 PM
so what some of you are saying is." it,s a waste of time, it won,t do anygood. and on and on".. guess going to vote was a waste of time too? we didn,t get anything or see any change, but we got off our arses and did it. far as "them" having our names and address, do you really think the files from the instant background check are dumped? once something is on a hard drive, it is immortal.
if your scared, say your scared and go back to playing blank opps and let the grown ups handle this

Old Fuff
November 19, 2012, 12:56 PM
If the White House gets flooded with names the word will get around. This may or may not affect what they're plans are, but it will give our side an opportunity to expose how big the opposition is, and that could make a difference.

BUT ONLY IF EVERYONE GETS ABOARD!!!

The Founding Fathers of this country faced a far, far greater risk then we will, and didn't hesitate. Those who are faint of heart today should take the time to read the Declaration of Independence.

Trent
November 19, 2012, 01:25 PM
Signed.

Trent
November 19, 2012, 01:28 PM
Spread via social media. 2 minutes ago.

Already seen several of my friends, coworkers sign. News travels at the speed of light now. :)

Trent
November 19, 2012, 01:29 PM
16,495 (needed) as of 11:30 AM Central 11/19/2012

moto_stevo
November 19, 2012, 01:34 PM
Is this different from rescinding your citizenship? Which is in the bottom of the form when purchasing a new firearm.

I know being signed onto the "list" will show up on a government security clearance type background check.

Please be serious about signing this and not just throwing a tantrum over your guy not winning.

There may be more homeland security ramifications involved also

Trent
November 19, 2012, 01:43 PM
Is this different from rescinding your citizenship? Which is in the bottom of the form when purchasing a new firearm.

I know being signed onto the "list" will show up on a government security clearance type background check.

Please be serious about signing this and not just throwing a tantrum over your guy not winning.

There may be more homeland security ramifications involved also

Are you, perhaps, getting this confused with another, more notorious petition circulating?

This is about saying "NO" to an assault weapons ban. How in the hell does this matter WHICH guy won? Last I checked... BOTH candidates deserve a good smack over the AWB topic. :)

303 hunter
November 19, 2012, 01:46 PM
Signed-Lets get it rolling. Tell your friends/family about it too!

Trent
November 19, 2012, 01:48 PM
These Whitehouse.gov petitions carry ZERO credibility and are merely a way for the administration to say they are listening to the people.

True, but they're also another way to have the views of a group visible to the masses.


Would you rather read a headline in a week stating:

"250,000 people signed a petition FAVORING a renewed Federal assault weapons ban"

or

"250,000 people signed a petition AGAINST a renewed Federal assault weapons ban"

???


You can bet your behind that now there's a pro-gun petition, within 24 hours the anti-gun folks will have THEIR troops mobilized to create a counter petition.

Dnaltrop
November 19, 2012, 01:50 PM
Remember!

Tinfoil hats only work if you remember to ground the system, be sure to attach a 6 foot paperclip chain to one of your pants legs.

You'll just look silly without it! ;)

MikePaiN
November 19, 2012, 02:16 PM
Signed and posted locally

accrhodes
November 19, 2012, 02:26 PM
Signed

dogtown tom
November 19, 2012, 02:34 PM
moto_stevo Is this different from rescinding your citizenship? Which is in the bottom of the form when purchasing a new firearm.
Complete nonsense and absolutely false.
How did you answer Question 11.f. ?:scrutiny:



Trent Quote:
Originally Posted by dogtown tom
These Whitehouse.gov petitions carry ZERO credibility and are merely a way for the administration to say they are listening to the people.
True, but they're also another way to have the views of a group visible to the masses.
The only "masses" that read, initiate or sign these online Whitehouse.gov petitions are those silly enough to believe they carry any weight whatsoever. 20,000,000 signatures on a Whitehouse.gov "petition" means as much as 20,000,000 "likes" on facebook.........it means nothing.

You want the views of a group visible to the masses? Buy radio spots, elect representatives with your ideals or contribute to the NRA Legislative Fund.



Would you rather read a headline in a week stating:

"250,000 people signed a petition FAVORING a renewed Federal assault weapons ban"
or
"250,000 people signed a petition AGAINST a renewed Federal assault weapons ban" ???
Frankly I wouldn't care one way or the other........signing a petition means absolutely nothing. The Brady Campaign has become a laughingstock because of their polls, opinion surveys and petitions.

Popularity contests do not influence political agendas....votes do.

bowserb
November 19, 2012, 02:51 PM
Hey guys. Just kidding about the "black Suburban" (although I have been approached by the Secret Service--for taking pictures of a particular building, where it turned out I was OK, and they did get out of a black Suburban.) The FBI background check is an official registration subject to security and limited access. A petition at whitehouse.gov is a different matter. The president's minions and gun hating friends don't have access to the FBI files, but they might to the "petition files".

I say again, you sign the petition, to the people who read it, you are just another gun nut. You call your congressman when the bill comes up, and you are a constituent. AWB will be back in some form, so we need to be ready, but the place to deal with it is the congress. The president may not have any more elections to worry about, but the congress does.

And watch out, Tom Gresham says Diane Feinstein is pushing for not only a ban on new AWs, but also a confiscation of existing black rifles.

CoRoMo
November 19, 2012, 02:55 PM
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/have-president-attend-farkcom-party-if-scheduling-does-not-permit-least-have-beer-drew-curtis/6LbMmJ2r
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/outlaw-offending-prophets-major-religions/94kL1tsN
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/justice-missouri-secession/FM70Fmsz
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-city-austin-texas-withdraw-state-texas-remain-part-united-states/TDD212hQ
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legally-recognize-westboro-baptist-church-hate-group/2K1ycBtp

RedAlert
November 19, 2012, 03:00 PM
If you want to be a member of the "Me too!" generation, sign the petition.

Want to be an individual with independent thoughts and views.

Write a letter to the President of the United States of America. Put a stamp on it and send directly to the President.

I'm not saying the letter will definitely be read by the President. It does have a higher chance of making a difference than if you are #14,962 on that petition.

Red

wannabeagunsmith
November 19, 2012, 06:46 PM
signed

Dnaltrop
November 19, 2012, 07:37 PM
RedAlert.

Not just "write" HANDWRITTEN. Put the effort into legibility without a spellchecker... It really does add to the aura of power the paper has.

Took me an hour or so, and that's with a main hand that had the bones split lengthwise, and the tissues exploded like grapes. (long time ago, as healed as it gets)

Also to your Senator and Congressman, state reps, mayors, city council... avoiding buzzwords and insults,

Signing the WH petition doesn't HURT though for those with less gumption.

Old Fuff
November 19, 2012, 08:32 PM
You're right....

But why not do both? While some hits are bigger then others, two (or more) are better then one.

curtix
November 21, 2012, 10:54 AM
signed

youngda9
November 21, 2012, 11:33 AM
It's just a trick to collect data on the subjects if it's hosted at whitehouse.gov

Trent
November 21, 2012, 12:50 PM
If you are afraid to tell your government that you expect to keep the second amendment rights you currently have, because they "might get your name", then there's a bigger issue at hand. Either you are unreasonably paranoid of your public servants, or you have reason to fear those who are in power who are supposed to BE your public servant.

Our government wasn't designed to be feared, it was designed to serve the public interest.

If the average common man fears their government, then our government has derailed from it's stated purpose.

Food for thought.

coloradokevin
November 21, 2012, 02:26 PM
I also signed it, though I think the last line sounds a bit juvenile. A more professional tone to the petition would have been better.

For those who are complaining about the petition thing, here's my take on it: signing the petition may not help gun rights, but it certainly can't hurt them. The more often this issue is placed in front of the President (from our angle) the better.

For those of you who are worried about going on some special government "gun nut" list as the result of signing an online petition, well, I think you need more help than I can provide here in a forum. The black helicopters aren't coming your direction, and the tin foil over the light bulbs won't actually keep the aliens out. I think that kind of unfounded fear is an issue that really ought to be addressed around here. If we hide in the dark corners due to misplaced paranoia, we'll never get our point across to those who really matter (such as non-gun owners who vote, and haven't decided where they stand on this issue, or even the politicians who write our laws). Our government is here to serve us, just so long as we require it to.

TennJed
November 22, 2012, 01:59 AM
signed by both the wife and I

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