What makes a gun like this Massachusetts compliant?


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bushmaster1313
November 17, 2012, 10:04 PM
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MedWheeler
November 17, 2012, 10:32 PM
MA-compliance rules are abstract at best, and firearms must "make the cut" as they are introduced. Three of the most-prominent rules are that the gun must be certifiably "drop-safe" (no "second-strike" actions on semi-automatics), must have a LCI, and must have no magazines available that hold more than ten rounds (I think rimfire guns might be exempt, but I cannot be sure.)
I'm pretty sure that they must also have a manual safety and a magazine-disconnect safety.

Like in California, guns must be submitted for T & E by their makers to make the cut.

Peruse here for more: http://www.mass.gov/eopss/firearms-reg-and-laws/

bushmaster1313
November 17, 2012, 11:01 PM
LCI

Landing Craft, Infantry?

FIVETWOSEVEN
November 18, 2012, 03:10 AM
Loaded Chamber Indicator.

SMMAssociates
November 18, 2012, 03:45 AM
The 10# trigger is also required....

(Apex Tactical can fix that, but I'm not sure how the MA authorities would react.)

The Shield currently comes with all the other requirements as standard equipment. You can remove the thumb safety and magazine safety devices, though.

My vote would be to use Apex's kit to improve the drop safety rather than remove it, but that's pretty easy, too.

So, presuming the folks who have to bless the thing in Massachusetts did so, it's compliant. Size-wise, it's not a lot smaller than the M&P Compacts, which have long since been acceptable (when equipped with a heavy trigger). A thumb safety is available on the other M&P's, too, but I'm not sure if the MA compliant versions must have them.

AFAIK, CA has the same requirements as MA when it applies to the Shield or other M&P series guns - about the only thing that can bite you might be the size of the gun.

Toledo OH used to have a list of "approved" guns that didn't include my PPK/S. They didn't want "Saturday Night Specials", so legislated out a lot of smaller guns, etc. That the PPK/S was selling for something like $400 at the time didn't seem to register.

DO ask somebody in MA about changing that trigger if you're thinking about it. It may not be legal to do so! Here in OH, there's no legal issue, but mucking with any manufacturer-supplied safety device may get you into problems in a Civil action should you use the thing. I doubt if anybody in OH would notice, but who knows....

Regards,

Ehtereon11B
November 18, 2012, 03:01 PM
California and Massachusetts are almost identical on their compliant handguns. The differences show on their rifles since California has a few more restrictions on magazine capacity and button hole magazine catches.

BLB68
November 18, 2012, 03:49 PM
The Shield currently comes with all the other requirements as standard equipment. You can remove the thumb safety and magazine safety devices, though.

Doesn't come with a magazine safety by default. So, the main differences would be addition of a magazine safety, and a horrendous trigger weight.

SMMAssociates
November 18, 2012, 06:32 PM
BLB68:

I thought the little guy came with a mag safety....

Should be able to order one that way, though. Probably in combination with an MA-compliant trigger :( ....

The other M&P's can easily be fitted with a mag safety if you really want one - I'm not sure about the Shield, but I'd bet the same parts would fit.

(I'm not sure why you'd want the mag safety, either, but some people like them. YMMV.)

Regards,

BLB68
November 21, 2012, 03:22 PM
BLB68:

I thought the little guy came with a mag safety....


Well, mine didn't, so I'm assuming that it's the default setup, since I'm not in one of the states with extra requirements. I know they have a MA compliant version, though, so I assume if it's required there, that it'll have one.

Teachu2
November 21, 2012, 03:34 PM
The Shield has yet to make it to the CA list.

highlander 5
November 21, 2012, 03:41 PM
AFAIK there is no requirement for a mag disconnect,we have several versions of 1911 for sale here and none have a mag disconnect. As far as the 10# trigger pull goes that can be changed after you buy the pistol/revolver,that requriementis only needed on new pistols/revolvers. I have several pistols that have had their actions reworked and it's perfectly legal.

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